I'm thinking very quick activation time, 10 x 10 max, min 10 psi on a 2.8 K, in a small volume--- I get visions not unlike what I imagine high efficiency water mist systems might look like-- But I am not the mnf rep, pe, t.c. member or ahj--
B On Feb 12, 2016 10:16 AM, "Travis Mack, SET" <[email protected]> wrote: > The max application for CC3 is 60". However, it is not the height. It is > the sheer number of them that are needed. Don't think single building. > Think apartment complex...multiple buildings / multiple floors. > > Travis Mack, SET > MFP Design, LLC > 2508 E Lodgepole Drive > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > 480-505-9271 > fax: 866-430-6107 > email:[email protected] > > http://www.mfpdesign.com > https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > > On 2/12/2016 8:57 AM, Brad Casterline wrote: > >> For crying out loud though, isn't the max 'ceiling height' for this >> application THREE FEET? >> On Feb 12, 2016 9:54 AM, "Travis Mack, SET" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You and I are on the same page. We were just hoping to get a definitive >>> answer from the manufacturer. >>> >>> Travis Mack, SET >>> MFP Design, LLC >>> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive >>> Gilbert, AZ 85298 >>> 480-505-9271 >>> fax: 866-430-6107 >>> email:[email protected] >>> >>> http://www.mfpdesign.com >>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>> >>> On 2/12/2016 8:53 AM, Ed Kramer wrote: >>> >>> The AHJ is going to have to make the final call. My pay scale isn't high >>>> enough to make those types decisions, but if it were, I'd say no. If >>>> water >>>> spray from the 1st sprinkler or 2 damages the insulation to allow heat >>>> to >>>> flow past it, you've lost your heat barrier and the 1000 sf design area >>>> is >>>> out-the-window. >>>> >>>> Back to my regularly scheduled program. >>>> >>>> Ed Kramer >>>> Bamford Fire Sprinkler >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] >>>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET >>>> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:28 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Tyco CC sprinklers / draft curtain >>>> >>>> That is what the contractor is arguing. The NFPA 13 definitions of >>>> draft >>>> curtains are in reference to separation of ESFR and SR, water spray >>>> systems >>>> and hazard separation. >>>> >>>> It is an outside the box thinking for sure. As you say, if it is >>>> stapled >>>> to >>>> the deck, that would prevent heat from passing through and over. That >>>> is >>>> the only criteria in the datasheet. >>>> >>>> >>>> Travis Mack, SET >>>> MFP Design, LLC >>>> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive >>>> Gilbert, AZ 85298 >>>> 480-505-9271 >>>> fax: 866-430-6107 >>>> email:[email protected] >>>> >>>> http://www.mfpdesign.com >>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>>> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>>> >>>> On 2/12/2016 8:19 AM, Matthew J Willis wrote: >>>> >>>> LOL. >>>>> >>>>> I say it does meet it. >>>>> Insulation by default blocks heat.. >>>>> >>>>> R/ >>>>> Matt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Matthew J. Willis >>>>> Project Manager >>>>> Rapid Fire Protection Inc. >>>>> *NEW ADDRESS* >>>>> 1530 Samco Road >>>>> Rapid City, SD 57702 >>>>> Office-605.348.2342 >>>>> Direct Line-605.593.5063 >>>>> Cell-605.391.2733 >>>>> Fax:-605.348.0108 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Sprinklerforum >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>> Travis Mack >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 8:16 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Tyco CC sprinklers / draft curtain >>>>> >>>>> Well, the customer called Tyco and they could not say definitively if >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> insulation would meet the requirements or not. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Travis Mack, SET >>>>> MFP Design, LLC >>>>> "Follow" us on Facebook: >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>>>> Send large files to MFP Design via: >>>>> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> I have a customer that is asking if batt insulation can be secured to >>>>> the >>>>> roof decking and used as a draft curtain for the Tyco CC sprinklers. I >>>>> >>>> have >>>> never seen an application such as this, but it doesn't seem to be >>>> prohibited >>>> in the datasheet. The only requirement is that it must be constructed >>>> of >>>> a >>>> material so that heat can not pass through or over. >>>> >>>> What do you think? Could insulation secured to the roof/floor deck >>>>> serve >>>>> as a draft curtain for these sprinklers? My gut feeling is that it >>>>> would >>>>> >>>> not be suitable, but I can't find something in the data sheet to support >>>> that. 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