Good advice Travis, I'll try to start thinking for myself. Why CC sprinklers though if this is your case?
Brad On Feb 12, 2016 10:32 AM, "Travis Mack, SET" <[email protected]> wrote: > Think outside your bubble. Tyco CC3...16' max spacing...5.6k sprinkler... > > Things are constantly evolving in this industry. You have to stay on the > edge to always keep up to date on available products. It can be a full > time job just doing that. > > Travis Mack, SET > MFP Design, LLC > 2508 E Lodgepole Drive > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > 480-505-9271 > fax: 866-430-6107 > email:[email protected] > > http://www.mfpdesign.com > https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > > On 2/12/2016 9:28 AM, Brad Casterline wrote: > >> I'm thinking very quick activation time, 10 x 10 max, min 10 psi on a 2.8 >> K, in a small volume--- I get visions not unlike what I imagine high >> efficiency water mist systems might look like-- >> But I am not the mnf rep, pe, t.c. member or ahj-- >> >> B >> On Feb 12, 2016 10:16 AM, "Travis Mack, SET" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The max application for CC3 is 60". However, it is not the height. It is >>> the sheer number of them that are needed. Don't think single building. >>> Think apartment complex...multiple buildings / multiple floors. >>> >>> Travis Mack, SET >>> MFP Design, LLC >>> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive >>> Gilbert, AZ 85298 >>> 480-505-9271 >>> fax: 866-430-6107 >>> email:[email protected] >>> >>> http://www.mfpdesign.com >>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>> >>> On 2/12/2016 8:57 AM, Brad Casterline wrote: >>> >>> For crying out loud though, isn't the max 'ceiling height' for this >>>> application THREE FEET? >>>> On Feb 12, 2016 9:54 AM, "Travis Mack, SET" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You and I are on the same page. We were just hoping to get a definitive >>>> >>>>> answer from the manufacturer. >>>>> >>>>> Travis Mack, SET >>>>> MFP Design, LLC >>>>> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive >>>>> Gilbert, AZ 85298 >>>>> 480-505-9271 >>>>> fax: 866-430-6107 >>>>> email:[email protected] >>>>> >>>>> http://www.mfpdesign.com >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>>>> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>>>> >>>>> On 2/12/2016 8:53 AM, Ed Kramer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The AHJ is going to have to make the final call. My pay scale isn't >>>>> high >>>>> >>>>>> enough to make those types decisions, but if it were, I'd say no. If >>>>>> water >>>>>> spray from the 1st sprinkler or 2 damages the insulation to allow heat >>>>>> to >>>>>> flow past it, you've lost your heat barrier and the 1000 sf design >>>>>> area >>>>>> is >>>>>> out-the-window. >>>>>> >>>>>> Back to my regularly scheduled program. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ed Kramer >>>>>> Bamford Fire Sprinkler >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET >>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:28 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Tyco CC sprinklers / draft curtain >>>>>> >>>>>> That is what the contractor is arguing. The NFPA 13 definitions of >>>>>> draft >>>>>> curtains are in reference to separation of ESFR and SR, water spray >>>>>> systems >>>>>> and hazard separation. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is an outside the box thinking for sure. As you say, if it is >>>>>> stapled >>>>>> to >>>>>> the deck, that would prevent heat from passing through and over. That >>>>>> is >>>>>> the only criteria in the datasheet. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Travis Mack, SET >>>>>> MFP Design, LLC >>>>>> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive >>>>>> Gilbert, AZ 85298 >>>>>> 480-505-9271 >>>>>> fax: 866-430-6107 >>>>>> email:[email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.mfpdesign.com >>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>>>>> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/12/2016 8:19 AM, Matthew J Willis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I say it does meet it. >>>>>>> Insulation by default blocks heat.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> R/ >>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matthew J. Willis >>>>>>> Project Manager >>>>>>> Rapid Fire Protection Inc. >>>>>>> *NEW ADDRESS* >>>>>>> 1530 Samco Road >>>>>>> Rapid City, SD 57702 >>>>>>> Office-605.348.2342 >>>>>>> Direct Line-605.593.5063 >>>>>>> Cell-605.391.2733 >>>>>>> Fax:-605.348.0108 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Sprinklerforum >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Travis Mack >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 8:16 AM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Tyco CC sprinklers / draft curtain >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, the customer called Tyco and they could not say definitively if >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> insulation would meet the requirements or not. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Travis Mack, SET >>>>>>> MFP Design, LLC >>>>>>> "Follow" us on Facebook: >>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>>>>>> Send large files to MFP Design via: >>>>>>> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I have a customer that is asking if batt insulation can be secured to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> roof decking and used as a draft curtain for the Tyco CC >>>>>>> sprinklers. I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> have >>>>>> never seen an application such as this, but it doesn't seem to be >>>>>> prohibited >>>>>> in the datasheet. The only requirement is that it must be constructed >>>>>> of >>>>>> a >>>>>> material so that heat can not pass through or over. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think? Could insulation secured to the roof/floor deck >>>>>> >>>>>>> serve >>>>>>> as a draft curtain for these sprinklers? My gut feeling is that it >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> >>>>>>> not be suitable, but I can't find something in the data sheet to >>>>>> support >>>>>> that. 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