Do they temper steel? Use of anhydrous ammonia? Bruce Verhei
> On 10/24/2024 4:45 PM PDT Fpdcdesign <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Craig pretty much summed up my thoughts. But to add to that, if you are > dealing with molten materials for 3D printing, which could be in the > thousands of degrees, how would sprinkler water react with that? > > Todd G Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > 860-535-2080 tel:860-535-2080 (ofc) > 860-554-7054 tel:860-554-7054 (fax) > 860-608-4559 tel:860-608-4559 (cell) > > > > > On Oct 24, 2024 at 5:29 PM, <Craig Prahl mailto:[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Well then, the option is to dive into something beyond one’s level of > > experience and expertise and hope your liability insurance is all paid up. > > > > > > > > NFPA 13 is not the end all when it come to design. If you haven’t looked > > at the building code and then the fire code (local and/or state) and then > > the applicable NFPA Standard which sometimes isn’t NFPA 13, you’ve not done > > anyone a real service. > > > > > > > > And sometimes it might be better to let the guy down the road have it. > > > > > > > > In our business lives are at stake. Be sure you can whole heartedly defend > > every note, every decision and every word without hesitation because one > > day you might have to do so. > > > > > > > > Oh and be sure to find out the temp of the extruder head, sometimes they > > can be real hot and those 155°F sprinklers just aren’t going to cut it. > > > > > > > > And y’all be careful now, ya hear. > > > > > > > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Fire Protection SME – EV, AM, DC, Special Hazards > > > > [email protected] mailto:[email protected] | www.jacobs.com > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.jacobs.com/__;!!KZTdOCjhgt4hgw!-_khxU8gU0_6jc895I7kRbnU8JghRDsWgqOblZ4jr7Qp2IVbR30VYw_hWvNFtphnl0uWpB9KIvbYi1pvZz4$ > > > > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > > > > CONTACT BY: Phone 1-864-676-5252 tel:1-864-676-5252, Email or MS TEAMS > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2024 4:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal manufacturing > > > > > > > > I love all you guys. I really do. (Even you Todd) > > > > > > > > But, Hire an Engineer, or Should be provided by an Engineer, just does not > > work out here in the trenches. > > > > > > > > The answer is there in 13. Even "extruding" by a 3-D printer is extruding. > > I had to do Metal Working for folks cutting 4x8 sheets of aluminum. > > > > There is not a distinction. Some AHJ's see that and live by it. > > > > > > > > IS it the intent? Probably not. > > > > > > > > But it IS what the book says. > > > > > > > > Which is the only thing we have in most cases. > > > > > > > > I really wish we could kick it back. But more times than not, they just go > > to the next person in line. > > > > > > > > Just saying. Those are not really answers to the questions. > > > > > > > > Rant over.. > > > > > > > > R/ > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthew J. Willis, CWBSP, C.E.T. > > > > Ferguson Fire Design, LLC > > > > D: (602) 337-0721 https://connect.xfinity.com/appsuite/(602)%20337-0721 C: > > (307) 236-8249 https://connect.xfinity.com/appsuite/(307)%20236-8249 > > > > [email protected] mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Craig Hanson <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2024 12:48 PM > > To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers > > <[email protected] > > mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal manufacturing > > > > > > > > Caution: This email originated from outside of the organization. DO NOT > > click links or open attachments unless you recognize and trust the sender. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > They need to provide for you the hazard analysis that should have been done > > by an FPE and in accordance with IFC 104.7.2 and NFPA 13: 4.2(2022). The > > AHJ should have requested that information also. These are tricky > > operations as dissimilar metals create a deflagration issue. the design may > > also be outside the scope of the NFPA 13 due to the process involved. Their > > insurance company should also be requiring a hazard analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Craig D. Hanson, CFPS > > > > Fire Division Manager > > > > West Coast Code Consultants, Inc. (WC³) > > > > Meridian Satellite Office > > > > C: 253.225.9977 tel:253.225.9977 | E: [email protected] > > mailto:[email protected] | www.WC-3.com > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.wc-3.com/__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!ApwbOjp7WhvKzN4KGihpDFSrZ8N-0yVMVP_N6ebL1tF6TsjkgSJUWayM24OErgv9oETCXeDM1jNFi4C5aqwf_S35sekTmA$ > > > > Teaming With Your Community to Make a Difference > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 12:21 PM Fpdcdesign <[email protected] > > mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > +1 for Tim Stone. Too often the contractor or their estimator are asked > > > to figure out design criteria. That should fall upon the FPE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Todd Williams > > > > > > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > > > > > > Stonington, CT > > > > > > 860-608-4559 tel:860-608-4559 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 24, 2024 at 1:04 PM, <Tstone52 mailto:[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > It should be recommended that an “Architect” or “Engineer of Record” > > > > should provide you with a Code Review. > > > > > > > > Or hire a “Fire Protection Engineer” to assist you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > G. Tim Stone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC > > > > > > > > NICET Level III Engineering Technician > > > > > > > > Fire Protection Sprinkler Design > > > > > > > > and Consulting Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452 > > > > > > > > CELL: (802) 373-0638 tel:(802)373-0638 > > > > > > > > [email protected] mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bobby Welch <[email protected] > > > > mailto:[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2024 12:57 PM > > > > To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers > > > > <[email protected] > > > > mailto:[email protected]> > > > > Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Metal manufacturing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a building were they are making metal products by multiple > > > > processes including Metal Casting of steel, Metal Forging, Additive > > > > Manufacturing and hot rolling. Most of the building is open warehouse > > > > where they are producing metal products with 3D printers. NFPA has > > > > metal workings listed as ordinary hazard but also has Die Casting and > > > > Metal extruding under Extra hazard group 1. Does anyone know where I > > > > would start to figure out what hazard is required for this building? > > > > > > > > Bobby Welch | Sprinkler Systems Designer > > > > KOORSEN FIRE & SECURITY > > > > 8090 N Dixie Dr, Dayton, OH 45414 > > > > P 937.641.8403 tel:937.641.8403 | Ext. 0318 | M 937.594.8457 > > > > tel:937.594.8457 > > > > [email protected] mailto:[email protected] | > > > > www.koorsen.com > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.koorsen.com__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!ApwbOjp7WhvKzN4KGihpDFSrZ8N-0yVMVP_N6ebL1tF6TsjkgSJUWayM24OErgv9oETCXeDM1jNFi4C5aqwf_S1HA_wFmw$ > > > > > > > > > > > > 24x7x365 Service: 937.660.7050 tel:937.660.7050 | [email protected] > > > > mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > SprinklerForum mailing list: > > > > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!ApwbOjp7WhvKzN4KGihpDFSrZ8N-0yVMVP_N6ebL1tF6TsjkgSJUWayM24OErgv9oETCXeDM1jNFi4C5aqwf_S32DM4r9A$ > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > > [email protected] > > > > mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > SprinklerForum mailing list: > > > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!ApwbOjp7WhvKzN4KGihpDFSrZ8N-0yVMVP_N6ebL1tF6TsjkgSJUWayM24OErgv9oETCXeDM1jNFi4C5aqwf_S32DM4r9A$ > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > [email protected] > > > mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged > > information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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