I have great respect for those in the know, which is a large number of folks.

My SMB clients have less than 5% Vista machines. Of those Vista machines that 
couldn't be downgraded once purchased, most have been relegated to use as 
travel laptops for email & web surfing & "use that one last" types.
The owners don't favor them.
All new hardware purchases that are consulted on, are XP Pro client.

IMHO, Vista kept many from the usual upgrade path. Many didn't want to buy new 
hardware to run the old OS, not remembering that they have either upgraded 
other third party apps - or should have. While I, like many in the field, got 
more maintenance work on the older hardware, it would have been good to sell 
some more pc's last year, which translates into more new peripherals, software 
sales & support contracts.



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: RBay 
  To: Matt 
  Cc: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] 64 bit Vista


  Good grief, you guys don't think Microsoft is making these computers and
  software for you, do you?

  This is an enormous industry...  When VISTA came out, it made an incredible
  amount of money for nearly everybody in the industry...

  64 MB vs 4 GB.... Pshaw!!!    30 GB hard drives replaced by 500 GB  hard
  drives... soon to be replaced by 750 GB flash drives that require no moving
  parts...

  This is about making money for manufacturers... for Microsoft... for online
  retailers... for tech shops and Value Added Retailers all over the world..

  And you can afford it...

  So quityourbitchin, for it will never go your way...  We are all just
  players... complaining is OK but it changes nothing... Windows 98 is still
  available, but I'll bet no more than 2 percent of this forum use it any
  more...

  Sure there is Linux and Unix and Ubuntu... and all that other fluff... but
  look at the sales... negligible... and most of you sneak back to WXP or
  VISTA and cannot wait for Windows 7 or whatever they decide to call it.

  VISTA kept a lot of computer component manufacgturers alive... and that
  benefits you as well... keeps you from becomming bored.

  RayBay



  ________

  The problem with Socialism is that you
  eventually run out of other people's money.

  ..  ...   ....    .....     ......       .......        ........   Margaret
  Thatcher


  On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Matt <[email protected]> wrote:

  > Same experience - RAM wise.
  >
  > Vista - One Gb at idle, XP Pro SP3 - 350Mb at idle.
  >
  > The Vista sidebar isn't worth the difference.
  >
  >
  >
  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: Bruce Markowitz
  >  To: [email protected] ; Aryeh Goretsky (home)
  >  Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:52 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] 64 bit Vista
  >
  >
  >   Operating system and background programs use about 1.2GB of RAM when cold
  >  booted
  >
  >  That's a SIN. There was a time when you could run Win98 on 64MB very
  > nicely.
  >  Now it takes 1.2 gigs just to boot up.
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