Although I preferred the previous incarnation of Google Groups, I'm liking the simplicity of this incarnation. I like anything that has a feel of minimalism, even if it has some warts.
For complex searching of the group, I'm quite happy going to advanced Google Search, for example: https://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki+filter+macro&hl=en&as_qdr=all And every time a question of any kind happens again, I find it puts the question in a new light, so repetition is good because of the potential for updated insights/features. The questions are just as valuable as (maybe more so than) the answers. To me, Google Groups combined with Advanced Google Search (when needed), strikes a pretty good balance. On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 2:19:18 PM UTC-3 Soren Bjornstad wrote: > Jeremy's concerns seem to focus around search, but I actually haven't > found Google Groups search to be that bad (you have to pick "sort by > relevance" instead of "sort by date" after every search or it is just about > useless, though – if you think it's bad and you haven't tried that, do). > However, the editing experience, while it used to be tolerable, has become > horrendous since the latest UI “upgrade”. I regularly have the screen get > corrupted or lose data (wtf, how did this become acceptable), and doing > code formatting is a huge pain now. > > In terms of migration difficulty...I've been part of the Anki open-source > community on and off for many years, and it has moved from Google Groups to > TenderApp (actually a tech support system, but it worked OK for discussions > too, and had an awesome API back when that was rare) to Discourse, and > there don't seem to have been significant problems getting the community to > come along with. Unless we have a substantial contingent of core members > who refuse to switch platforms, I'm not convinced this is going to be a > huge problem. For people who drop in and out, having to learn one new > platform over another one doesn't seem like much of a change unless the new > platform is significantly harder to use. How many people are actually > already familiar with Google Groups nowadays? > > I'm not a huge fan of Discourse either, though, FWIW, and a pure TW > solution would be harder to implement and probably harder for new users to > use. So not sure I have much of an opinion on whether we should move. If we > decided to, I'd be willing to chip in for hosting costs. > > On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:07:18 PM UTC-5 flohit...@googlemail.com > wrote: > >> Hey all, >> this has been annoying for me, too. I thought, discourse isn‘t that old >> (or other open source hostable solutions), so probably it’s easier to stay >> here. But GG is crap. >> I think discourse is a good Solution that can be implemented first on the >> side, if some „main“ people are willing to commit to do so. I mean mostly >> Jeremy and people who are actively developing and discussing stuff, the >> core community. Discourse can imo be a good discussion forum for people >> who are already a bit committed to a project and want to discuss it more >> deeply. The better searchability and more asynchronous, forum–not–feed >> approach quite naturally allows for deeper accumulation of knowledge which >> will be accessible for newbies as well. I also often am afraid that if a >> question of mine won’t be answered fastly, it will just drown in the >> endless feed... >> so i think a Good first step is moving discussions regarding more >> specific projects to discourse which are a bit more technical and not so >> much of concern for newer people. For example the developers group, >> discussion about next releases, etc. discourse can be helpful bridge >> between purely technical GitHub and social media, it has some functions >> that also enhance that afaik. If people register that they can get their >> deeper questions answered more thoroughly on discourse, because it has a >> better interface and the more expert people usually hang out there, they >> will move there, but not out of idealism. >> most discourse forums demand a login, which can be a bit offputting for >> complete newbies. So outlets on „mainstream“ Networks should be maintained >> – Reddit, the matrix channel (which is a bit undervalued :( ) , maybe this >> here... >> discord channels are also quite popular – in order to provide easy >> accessibility for people that are less experienced. >> Also I would believe someone in the tiddlycommunity could set up an >> instance? There are several projects involving servers, right?There also >> already is a tiddlywiki subgroup on fission, but I don’t think that’s for >> general purposes (?) >> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Sonntag, 30. Mai 2021 um 08:34:37 UTC+2: >> >>> This Google Group is OUR main end-user forum. >>> >>> There are problems with Google Groups. More recently it was >>> "dumbed-down" by Google. A lot of tools just disappeared. That just made it >>> worse for OUR needs. >>> >>> And, long term, it has proved to also have NO DECENT MEMORY. >>> Search here is the Total Pits. >>> >>> WHAT happens as a result of that? >>> >>> A VERY common pattern that happens daily here is RE-CREATION OF THE >>> WHEEL. >>> GG lacks any easy, structured, way to interrogate the VAST >>> knowledge-base that this GG actually IS. >>> SO, again and again, you see very similar queries come up and be >>> patiently RE-answered. >>> >>> I think a much BETTER way would be to leverage off the knowledge >>> accumulated here and direct users first to already EXTANT solutions. >>> >>> I'm not sure it is possible. >>> But repetition of the variants on the same question is a waste, I think? >>> >>> Just comments >>> TT >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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