Hi Soren Excellent points, thank you. > Jeremy's concerns seem to focus around search, but I actually haven't found > Google Groups search to be that bad (you have to pick "sort by relevance" > instead of "sort by date" after every search or it is just about useless, > though – if you think it's bad and you haven't tried that, do).
Search isn't actually a particular concern of mine; earlier in the thread I was trying to tease out TiddlyTweeters concerns about finding things. My point is that moving to new forum software is not going to be a panacea for TiddlyTweeter's concerns, which I think can only be addressed by human curation. > However, the editing experience, while it used to be tolerable, has become > horrendous since the latest UI “upgrade”. I regularly have the screen get > corrupted or lose data (wtf, how did this become acceptable), and doing code > formatting is a huge pain now. I generally compose via email but my understanding is that it is no longer straightforward to make monospaced blocks, which does indeed seem pretty poor. > In terms of migration difficulty...I've been part of the Anki open-source > community on and off for many years, and it has moved from Google Groups to > TenderApp (actually a tech support system, but it worked OK for discussions > too, and had an awesome API back when that was rare) to Discourse, and there > don't seem to have been significant problems getting the community to come > along with. Unless we have a substantial contingent of core members who > refuse to switch platforms, I'm not convinced this is going to be a huge > problem. For people who drop in and out, having to learn one new platform > over another one doesn't seem like much of a change unless the new platform > is significantly harder to use. How many people are actually already familiar > with Google Groups nowadays? I am actually not too concerned about moving the community over. When the time comes, we'll close the GG to new posts. > I'm not a huge fan of Discourse either, though, FWIW, and a pure TW solution > would be harder to implement and probably harder for new users to use. So not > sure I have much of an opinion on whether we should move. If we decided to, > I'd be willing to chip in for hosting costs. I'm using Discourse a fair amount on other projects. It seems to be a nice, well polished piece of engineering, but is conceptually somewhat old fashioned. I think it would constitute an improvement, but perhaps not by as much as we might hope. Best wishes Jeremy > >> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:07:18 PM UTC-5 flohit...@googlemail.com wrote: >> Hey all, >> this has been annoying for me, too. I thought, discourse isn‘t that old (or >> other open source hostable solutions), so probably it’s easier to stay here. >> But GG is crap. >> I think discourse is a good Solution that can be implemented first on the >> side, if some „main“ people are willing to commit to do so. I mean mostly >> Jeremy and people who are actively developing and discussing stuff, the core >> community. Discourse can imo be a good discussion forum for people who are >> already a bit committed to a project and want to discuss it more deeply. The >> better searchability and more asynchronous, forum–not–feed approach quite >> naturally allows for deeper accumulation of knowledge which will be >> accessible for newbies as well. I also often am afraid that if a question of >> mine won’t be answered fastly, it will just drown in the endless feed... >> so i think a Good first step is moving discussions regarding more specific >> projects to discourse which are a bit more technical and not so much of >> concern for newer people. For example the developers group, discussion about >> next releases, etc. discourse can be helpful bridge between purely technical >> GitHub and social media, it has some functions that also enhance that afaik. >> If people register that they can get their deeper questions answered more >> thoroughly on discourse, because it has a better interface and the more >> expert people usually hang out there, they will move there, but not out of >> idealism. >> most discourse forums demand a login, which can be a bit offputting for >> complete newbies. So outlets on „mainstream“ Networks should be maintained – >> Reddit, the matrix channel (which is a bit undervalued :( ) , maybe this >> here... >> discord channels are also quite popular – in order to provide easy >> accessibility for people that are less experienced. >> Also I would believe someone in the tiddlycommunity could set up an >> instance? There are several projects involving servers, right?There also >> already is a tiddlywiki subgroup on fission, but I don’t think that’s for >> general purposes (?) >> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Sonntag, 30. Mai 2021 um 08:34:37 UTC+2: >>> This Google Group is OUR main end-user forum. >>> >>> There are problems with Google Groups. More recently it was "dumbed-down" >>> by Google. A lot of tools just disappeared. That just made it worse for OUR >>> needs. >>> >>> And, long term, it has proved to also have NO DECENT MEMORY. >>> Search here is the Total Pits. >>> >>> WHAT happens as a result of that? >>> >>> A VERY common pattern that happens daily here is RE-CREATION OF THE WHEEL. >>> GG lacks any easy, structured, way to interrogate the VAST knowledge-base >>> that this GG actually IS. >>> SO, again and again, you see very similar queries come up and be patiently >>> RE-answered. >>> >>> I think a much BETTER way would be to leverage off the knowledge >>> accumulated here and direct users first to already EXTANT solutions. >>> >>> I'm not sure it is possible. >>> But repetition of the variants on the same question is a waste, I think? >>> >>> Just comments >>> TT > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/617faa16-ce84-44fb-8f39-eb9a9ecf0680n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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