This is where a TiddlyWiki solution offers a lot more. Having a career in Knowledge and information management, support and troubleshooting - one thing I picked us is the questions are as important as the answers. The smart way is to capture the questions asked, those without answers become needed new knowledge, the quicker a question is answered the more the way to ask the question is identified as profitable so help the interrogator learn how to ask questions based on successful questions before. It is auto-curation.
GG is a mailing list, it can be used to harvest knowledge, but it not only has little to help curate the knowledge it sometimes actively works against it, it is not possible to develop even tentative "source of a given truth" or the unabridged info. My use of google groups could be a harvesting/curation process but I cant take responsibility for it because I need a living. I thought I would build a blog that provides an index into the information posted in GG going forward, news and observations, references and commentary, but few were interested, perhaps they did not have the same vision I have for a blog. As Charlie shared IT'S ALL WRONG, especially documents, says Ted in 2011 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX0UN-gXBZE>tells me we need innovation to escape the bounds of a email list. Interesting something google should do but does not belying their lack of innovation (at least that they share publicly) Tones On Monday, 7 June 2021 at 05:54:12 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote: > Although I preferred the previous incarnation of Google Groups, I'm liking > the simplicity of this incarnation. I like anything that has a feel of > minimalism, even if it has some warts. > > For complex searching of the group, I'm quite happy going to advanced > Google Search, for example: > https://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki+filter+macro&hl=en&as_qdr=all > > And every time a question of any kind happens again, I find it puts the > question in a new light, so repetition is good because of the potential for > updated insights/features. > > The questions are just as valuable as (maybe more so than) the answers. > > To me, Google Groups combined with Advanced Google Search (when needed), > strikes a pretty good balance. > > > > On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 2:19:18 PM UTC-3 Soren Bjornstad wrote: > >> Jeremy's concerns seem to focus around search, but I actually haven't >> found Google Groups search to be that bad (you have to pick "sort by >> relevance" instead of "sort by date" after every search or it is just about >> useless, though – if you think it's bad and you haven't tried that, do). >> However, the editing experience, while it used to be tolerable, has become >> horrendous since the latest UI “upgrade”. I regularly have the screen get >> corrupted or lose data (wtf, how did this become acceptable), and doing >> code formatting is a huge pain now. >> >> In terms of migration difficulty...I've been part of the Anki open-source >> community on and off for many years, and it has moved from Google Groups to >> TenderApp (actually a tech support system, but it worked OK for discussions >> too, and had an awesome API back when that was rare) to Discourse, and >> there don't seem to have been significant problems getting the community to >> come along with. Unless we have a substantial contingent of core members >> who refuse to switch platforms, I'm not convinced this is going to be a >> huge problem. For people who drop in and out, having to learn one new >> platform over another one doesn't seem like much of a change unless the new >> platform is significantly harder to use. How many people are actually >> already familiar with Google Groups nowadays? >> >> I'm not a huge fan of Discourse either, though, FWIW, and a pure TW >> solution would be harder to implement and probably harder for new users to >> use. So not sure I have much of an opinion on whether we should move. If we >> decided to, I'd be willing to chip in for hosting costs. >> >> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:07:18 PM UTC-5 flohit...@googlemail.com >> wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> this has been annoying for me, too. I thought, discourse isn‘t that old >>> (or other open source hostable solutions), so probably it’s easier to stay >>> here. But GG is crap. >>> I think discourse is a good Solution that can be implemented first on >>> the side, if some „main“ people are willing to commit to do so. I mean >>> mostly Jeremy and people who are actively developing and discussing stuff, >>> the core community. Discourse can imo be a good discussion forum for >>> people who are already a bit committed to a project and want to discuss it >>> more deeply. The better searchability and more asynchronous, forum–not–feed >>> approach quite naturally allows for deeper accumulation of knowledge which >>> will be accessible for newbies as well. I also often am afraid that if a >>> question of mine won’t be answered fastly, it will just drown in the >>> endless feed... >>> so i think a Good first step is moving discussions regarding more >>> specific projects to discourse which are a bit more technical and not so >>> much of concern for newer people. For example the developers group, >>> discussion about next releases, etc. discourse can be helpful bridge >>> between purely technical GitHub and social media, it has some functions >>> that also enhance that afaik. If people register that they can get their >>> deeper questions answered more thoroughly on discourse, because it has a >>> better interface and the more expert people usually hang out there, they >>> will move there, but not out of idealism. >>> most discourse forums demand a login, which can be a bit offputting for >>> complete newbies. So outlets on „mainstream“ Networks should be maintained >>> – Reddit, the matrix channel (which is a bit undervalued :( ) , maybe this >>> here... >>> discord channels are also quite popular – in order to provide easy >>> accessibility for people that are less experienced. >>> Also I would believe someone in the tiddlycommunity could set up an >>> instance? There are several projects involving servers, right?There also >>> already is a tiddlywiki subgroup on fission, but I don’t think that’s for >>> general purposes (?) >>> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Sonntag, 30. Mai 2021 um 08:34:37 UTC+2: >>> >>>> This Google Group is OUR main end-user forum. >>>> >>>> There are problems with Google Groups. More recently it was >>>> "dumbed-down" by Google. A lot of tools just disappeared. That just made >>>> it >>>> worse for OUR needs. >>>> >>>> And, long term, it has proved to also have NO DECENT MEMORY. >>>> Search here is the Total Pits. >>>> >>>> WHAT happens as a result of that? >>>> >>>> A VERY common pattern that happens daily here is RE-CREATION OF THE >>>> WHEEL. >>>> GG lacks any easy, structured, way to interrogate the VAST >>>> knowledge-base that this GG actually IS. >>>> SO, again and again, you see very similar queries come up and be >>>> patiently RE-answered. >>>> >>>> I think a much BETTER way would be to leverage off the knowledge >>>> accumulated here and direct users first to already EXTANT solutions. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure it is possible. >>>> But repetition of the variants on the same question is a waste, I think? >>>> >>>> Just comments >>>> TT >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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