Re: [TruthTalk] NONE of the 10?

[Marlin Halverson]

Dear Michael,   Let me get this straight.  Are you advocating that not being "under the law," means that we should not obey the law so that grace may abound?  That we are to obey NONE of the ten commandments?    ROM 6:14    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the             law, but under grace. ROM 6:15    What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but             under grace? God forbid. ROM 7:14    For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under             sin.   The reason that sin shall not have dominion over us is because we quit sinning and live in bondage to (in service to) the Lamb of God, Jesus, who died on Passover day, who suffered in our stead, so that our sins would be 'passed over' to give us undeserved pardon and favor, grace.   --Marlin   1CO 7:22    For he that is called in the Lord, [being] a servant, is the Lord's             freeman: likewise also he that is called, [being] free, is Christ's             servant. 1JO 3:24    And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in             him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which             he hath given us. 1JO 5:2     By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God,             and keep his commandments. 1JO 5:3     For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his             commandments are not grievous. 2JO 1:6     And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the             commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should             walk in it. REV 12:17   And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with             the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and             have the testimony of Jesus Christ. REV 14:12   Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the             commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. REV 22:14   Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have             right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into             the city. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael douglas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Message-bearers  Marlin Halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Izzy,   God is more concerned with the conscience than with going through man-made rules of  "obedience," which have a form of godliness in will worship.  Jesus, who never sinned, was constantly being accused of breaking the Sabbath of the OT by His adversaries.  It is carnal men, who take something beautiful, the Sabbath that God made, and pollute it with their own ideas about what it is.  Michael D: Again I say it is a sad day, and a grave deception, when men try to place yokes and requirements on believers that God has no part in. Paul said that one man esteems all days alike, another esteems one above another (Rom 14). Let every one be persuaded in his own mind.   Now, ALL days means ALL days, not all except the sabbath(s). He said each person is free to put differing weights on all days.  Marlin, I am sorry to say this, but I fell I must. You are in a grave deception. You are preaching bondage and not the gospel of Christ. You twist the scriptures inspite of all the clear teaching of the NT on the place and purpose of the law, trying to bring people back to a bondage from which Christ has set us free. This grieves the heart of the Holy Spirit greatly. I sent a post where Paul clearly states that whatsoever the law says it says to them that are under the law. He further stated that we are not under the law, but under grace. Where do you get the presumption to say now that we must go back under the law? You are corrupting the gospel of Christ: which Paul says all throughout the NT re law adherent preachers. Let me plainly state that there is no beauty in requiring the sabbath(s) of any one, it is abomination. I say these things not in malice, but to defend the liberty that God gives in Christ. Listen to Paul in Galatians 3, ...If there had been a law given that could have given life, then righteousness would have been by the law!!!!! He also states that God has revealed a righteousness without the law through faith in Christ.!!!! Further, in Galatians 3 Paul says that the law was given till the promise should come who is Christ. There was a time frame for the usefulness of the law. It is explicitly stated here.  Paul told us to cast out the bond woman and her son. To pursue the law would be to bring her back and offend God!!! I encourage everyone who wants to be crystal clear about our responsibility towards th law to read Galatians carefully, and Romans 3 through 8 and I Timothy 1. All the answers can be found in there. These are the main passages the Lord used to give me an understanding re the dilemma I faced many years ago.   I can go on and on like I have done in this discussuon, but suffice it to say: If you require obedience to the law, then you have fallen from grace.     With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs