You are reading in.  You don't play fair.  You just can't admit it.  

Glenn does not say as Darco implied that "people were excluded from the park" 
(and actually people have been - you and everyone else can probably realize 
that people are routinely told to leave the park, for sleeping overnight and 
other reasons).  Maybe Glenn refers to private Clark Park banquets with high 
priced entry fees.  Maybe he refers to private gatherings hosted by Penn where 
the public is excluded.  'Penn Control' is something about which while Glenn 
has held back from giving it ultimate vilification, he warns people to be 
concerned.  'Secrecy' is the most difficult to prove (duh, it's a secret), but 
in any case you ridicule by hyperbole, misrepresent his remarks, and say things 
that are not true.  

You now seem to be practically accusing me of being a Trump conspiracy talk 
supporter.  You clearly haven't read much of what I have written (or you are 
resorting to damaging written public falsification again).  

I am actually a true "Balder" who believes Donald Trump can't be Pres. because 
he can't prove his hair was born in the U.S.A.  Here is something of mine I 
posted to FB:  

"Saying Trump appeals to masochistic dupes with no sense of mathematics, to 
sadistic voyeurs who wish they had balls, or to racist instincts in those of 
lesser intelligence, is all the same... they're just the facts Jack!"

Bill Mahr did better:  Bill Maher says, "Hey Trump, what's the "biggest scam 
ever" NOW? I'd say its a guy with 3 bankruptcies telling America how to get its 
financial house in order."

"Crackpot."  That is what you say Tony, instead of answering others criticisms! 
 Surely you are big enough to deal with others concerns and not to only resort 
to name calling.  Be fair.

Rick

On Apr 29, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Anthony West wrote:

> Richard,
> 
> I quote from Glenn's text, which Darco and I have read quite clearly:
> 
> "The master plan for 'revitalization' of Clark Park was always a master plan 
> for secrecy, exclusion of the public, and Penn control!"
> 
> Glenn has, for years, been publishing on this list false allegations that 
> various users were planned to be excluded from the park by this nefarious 
> conspiracy. Since none of them ever were, in fact, excluded from the physical 
> park, and there were, in fact, no plans that any users should be excluded 
> from the park -- he is now attempting to befuddle you -- as well as 
> unsuspecting newcomers -- by pretending some users were excluded from 
> planning for the park. And he's trying to muddle the two together with murky 
> conspiracy-theory language, where what we're talking about shifts every time 
> a claim of fact is contested.
> 
> Of course, nothing of the sort ever happened. (There wasn't any "secrecy" or 
> any "Penn control" either.) I looked into these allegations very carefully in 
> 2002-03. 
> 
> Typical Trump talk, in my opinion. But if this is what floats your boat, I 
> sure can't stop you. Conspiracy-theory crackpots never run out of gas, do 
> they?
> 
> --Tony West
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/28/2011 11:28 PM, Richard Conrad wrote:
>> 
>> O.K. let's get real!  Darco represents Glenn as saying something he did not. 
>>  Darco asks: 
>>  
>> "do you have evidence of people being excluded from the park?"
>> 
>> Glenn did not ever say in his communique that people were excluded from the 
>> park.
> 

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