Am 13.10.2015 um 21:24 schrieb Larry Goldman:
So, it is not possible to simplify the process of managing an email server via an easy-to-use software user interface?
not reallysomeone needs to understand the setup *and* maintain it because spam is a moving target - there is no easy solution other than hire somebody doing the things you don't want to do
i spent personally around 3000 workhours in the last year to provide a as perfect as possible spamfilter with zero false positives for our customers and many pieces of the solution are not available in public and won't even run on other environments
i admit that the time i invested is excessive and not possible when you write invoices for it - but that's what i felt need to invest to get *my personal* result of beeing satisfied
On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net> wrote: no! the idea of cpanel, webmin and what not is trying to provide a reduced and limited interface for users with no clue and give them the felling they have some clue what they are doing if you rely on capnel you better maintain no public server at all, take money and pay somebody who knows what he is doing and NO - that's not unfriendly, it's just the truth, maintaining mailservices is a FULLTIME-JOB and that won't change in the near future Am 13.10.2015 um 21:15 schrieb Larry Goldman:The _idea_ of CPanel is a good one: a low-cost, do-it-all solution which a broader range of tech-savvy users can manage. It seems that the current GoDaddy/CPanel configuration I’m using is obviously not up to the task of distinguishing SPAM in today’s world. If there is not an easy fix within their black box, I’ll consider hosting my own email on OS X Server: full apache, full SA.On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net> wrote: Am 13.10.2015 um 21:02 schrieb Larry Goldman:I’ve seen CPanel hosted on several other ISPs. It would be quite unfortunate (for them and for their users) if their email product could not reliably catch spam.and i have seen so much shit from ISP's long ago that i started in 2005 to host and implement anything we need on own infrastrcuture with own deployments and finally even replaced a spamfilter-applicance from a million-dollar-company specialized for spamfiltering with own solutions they all sell SpamAssassin and other free components wrapped in layers over layers (cPanel is one of the definite crap in that layers) and finally sell shit for money do it yourself or live with the results what you can't expect is serious help on upstream mailing lists fro SA burried inside a dozen of crap layers likely nobody on that planet knows how thinhgs are realy configuredOn Oct 13, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net> wrote: Am 13.10.2015 um 20:40 schrieb Larry Goldman:It seems that CPanel is an independent product that GoDaddy serves. It may be that the version of CPanel in use is not using up-to-date SA, which is a problem. How can I determine which version of SA is being used, without terminal access?you can't, you have only a limited blackbox and get what you pay for - sorry - invest time and money or live with what you get
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