hey Rob, if your intentions are this honest, I mean you care for the newbies, and so on, why not start up your own blog, like Joel on Software, and spread your ghospels there about the ultimate truth? you don't like Tapestry, that's it. Ok, you've been heard. What else you want?
cheers, Janos a Tapestry newbie On 17/04/2008, Rob Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, now I know you don't care about those issues. But I know these are > issues many evaluating a framework would care to consider as part of their > decision factors. I don't know what you are building with Tapestry and > don't > know for who. I can be 100% sure though it's not a serious stuff for a > serious organisation. > It's sad projects like Tapestry are killing the OS spirits. I know good > engineers at serious organisations who are reduced to coding with stuffs > like JSP/JSF because it's a standard. All due to the insecurities projects > like Tapestry bring with it. There is a one man dictator out there who > thinks things should be done a particular way because it's "fun" even if > the > price to pay is breaking backward compatibility. A hobbyist at home > wouldn't > care to re-write everything from scratch because it's fun to do. But big > organisations that invest big bucks loose big bucks for doing that. > Left me alone, Tapestry should be kicked from Apache because it's > destroying > it's image. > > I know when the cord is stricken like this people here quickly label you a > Troll. I don't care about that. I'm here to spread the gospel truth about > Tapestry. I know someone who lost his job because of Tapestry's > incompatibilities. I don't want this to happen again to someone else. So > newbies, watch out. > > Chris, I see you constantly linking me to others. Who is that Francis? I > hope he/she (since that name sounds female to me) is reading and would one > day reply to you. Or maybe he/she is just laughing at your naivety, > childishness and ignorance. > > Yours friendly, > > > Rob > > > PS: > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Chris Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Rob Smeets wrote: > > > Chris, > > > > > > Some of your quotes were made by me but others not by me. To make > things > > > easier for you I've copied my previous post for you. Be bold and > answer > > > them, ok. Don't be afraid or shy. At least I won't bite you. There we > > go: > > > > > > I want you to take a close look at the following points I've been > making > > and > > > tell me which one is a misinformation. > > > > > > 1. Every Tapestry major release is backward incompatible with previous > > > releases. > > > > > This is public knowledge and documented on the Tapestry website (5 not > > compatible with 4). > > > 2. High profile users and commiters have fled Tapestry to other > > frameworks > > > such as Wicket. Namely, Kent Tong, Geoff Longman, the creator of > > Spindle, > > > etc. I could name some more. Should I do it? > > > > > I don't know them, and I am not motivated by their decisions. If you > > think a decision is worth following simply because it was made by a > > high-profile person, perhaps you should reevaluate your personal > criteria. > > > 3. Tapestry has been ditched by www.theserverside.com and replaced > with > > > another webframework. > > > > > Fantastic. I'm sure that's publicly documented there. > > > 4. In 7 years of existense of Tapestry, Howard has only been able to > > train > > > just a 100 Tapestry users. > > > > > I do not care, and I doubt people building their T5 apps with the ease > > they are care either. > > > What is the misinformation here, Chris? Don't avoid any of them or > > dilute > > > them with anything else, please, else I would label you a big coward, > > which > > > so far hasn't crossed my mind you are. > > > > > > Looking forawrd to your bold answers. > > > > > I have given them. > > > Yours friendly, > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Chris Lewis < > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Francis (as Rob): > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-AW%3A-Getting-Answers-on-the-User-List-p16679523.html > > >> "...not only are high profile Tapestry > > >> users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using > Tapestry > > >> are > > >> also ditching Tapestry..." - *FUD* > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Getting-Answers-on-the-User-List-p16634215.html > > >> "...Tapestry is now just another > > >> dead horse, I'm sorry..." - *Misinformation* > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-T5-%285.0.11%29---ready-for-production-deployment-p16348763.html > > >> "I have 2 favorite adjectives about Tapestry 5: Over-engineerd and > > >> Volatile!!' - *FUD* > > >> > > >> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-How-is-T5-tutorial--p16270907.html > > >> "Go grab Wicket of GWT. It's better documented and questions like > what > > you > > >> asked won't refer you to source code but to a well documented > examples. > > >> Above all the users of those lists are far, far more friendly." - > > *SPAM* > > >> > > >> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-How-is-T5-tutorial--p16275158.html > > >> "There we go again, when someone raises a legitimate concern he is > > easily > > >> labeled a Troll" - *Misinformation*. You have no questions, you seek > to > > >> incite anger. > > >> > > >> "Again, this proves how arrogant > > >> and unfriendly Tapestry mailing list members are." - *FUD + > > >> Misinformation* > > >> > > >> http://www.nabble.com/Tapestry-at-my-company-p16122861.html > > >> - *FUD* - This entire situation is probably a lie. If not, validate > it. > > >> Provide links to the project company, and personally email me a > > >> technical contact that I can privately consult and verify. > > >> > > >> http://www.nabble.com/Newbie-Tapestry-p15893688.html > > >> "I googled and also learnt there is Tapestry 6 in the works which > > >> would also be a whole new beast not compatible with all previous > > Tapestry > > >> versions." - *Misinformation*. You did no such thing, and you are a > > >> despicable liar. > > >> > > >> > > >> Rob Smeets wrote: > > >> > > >>>> This person is beyond a troll and has > > >>>> gone to a concerted effort to spread FUD and mis-information > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> Petros, > > >>> > > >>> I want you to take a close look at the following points I've been > > making > > >>> > > >> and > > >> > > >>> tell me which one is a misinformation. > > >>> > > >>> 1. Every Tapestry major release is backward incompatible with > previous > > >>> releases. > > >>> 2. High profile users and commiters have fled Tapestry to other > > >>> > > >> frameworks > > >> > > >>> such as Wicket. Namely, Kent Tong, Geoff Longman, etc. I could name > > some > > >>> more. Should I do it? > > >>> 3. Tapestry has been ditched by Theserverside.com and replaced with > > >>> > > >> another > > >> > > >>> webframework. > > >>> 4. In 7 years of existense of Tapestry Howard has only been able to > > >>> > > >> train > > >> > > >>> just a 100 Tapestry users. > > >>> > > >>> What is the misinformation here, Petros? > > >>> > > >>> Yours friendly, > > >>> > > >>> Rob > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> On 17/04/2008, Petros Petrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> I don't mean to be rude but really... > > >>>>> WHY DO YOU GUYS EVEN REPLY TO THIS GUY > > >>>>> Can't you see how much fun he is having. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> By replying to a discussion he is part of, I feel I am his puppet > > and > > >>>>> > > >> my > > >> > > >>>>> job > > >>>>> is to keep entertaining him. This is what we are all doing by > > >>>>> > > >> reploying > > >> > > >>>> to > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> him. I am sure I am going to get some "smart" reply from him after > I > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> post > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> this BUT I will resist in getting dragged into a waste of time > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> discussion > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> because I am extremely busy writting code with one of the best web > > >>>>> frameworks out there and I have worked with JSP, Servlet, JSF, > > Struts, > > >>>>> Webworks, Spring WebFlow, Tapestry 3, Tapestry 4 .......... (I am > > >>>>> considering T5 to be a new framework which is why I no longer > worry > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> about > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> backwards compatibility) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Please don't get me wrong. I don't mean to patronise the people > that > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> reply > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> to him. In fact few of you guys that replied to his discussions > > >>>>> > > >> already > > >> > > >>>>> helped me out through this forum by replying to my posts and I am > > very > > >>>>> thankful of this BUT please.... let's keep this forum clean from > > >>>>> destructions and clean from emotional counter productive arguments > > and > > >>>>> let's > > >>>>> stop providing free entertainment. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>> Petros > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Martin Kersten-2 wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Rob your English is by no question admirable but you drove quite > > >>>>>> to far. I like all those Tapestry folks - special thanks to the > > core > > >>>>>> team and Howard from me. Thanks to their affords Web-Development > > >>>>>> Is fun again. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> So please stop insulting them. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Rob Smeets wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Like those reading now, I'm smelling something fishy here. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> View this message in context: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >> > > > http://www.nabble.com/Getting-Answers-on-the-User-List-tp16595432p16737253.html > > >> > > >>>>> Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>> > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > >> -- > > >> http://thegodcode.net > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://thegodcode.net > > > > >
