On 12/24/06, William L. Thomson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, 2006-12-24 at 20:24 +0100, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
>
> Sorry, I don't buy it.
You don't have to. This is open source and about choice. Given all of
Tomcat's dependencies at compile time and runtime. If you want to stick
with older versions of stuff. That's totally up to you. But I would say
almost for a fact, that most all of Tomcat's deps, and bundled stuff are
at least one minor version beyond where they were when the binary was
made. If I had time I would provide a list :)
Well yes, but maybe this is for a reason, like it simply doesn't work
with another version?
> I think you would spare your users tons of problems if you would just
> re-distribute the binaries from tomcat.apache.org and not mess around
> with things.
First off we have lots of people running Tomcat on Gentoo. You have
heard only from one, trying to get to that point. So support is not as
much of an issue. For quite many things are ideal.
That's not quite true :-) Each day there are at least 2-3 people on
the tomcat irc channel claiming having problems with tomcat, which
results in using package from a distro or gcj. Not all from gentoo
though :-)
But if anyone knows of a better way. Gentoo is a volunteer distro. Once
your in the trenches for a bit, you might change your thoughts ;)
Also I don't like having multiple copies of the same jars or libraries
on my system. Maybe you do, again it's choice. The way we do things most
systems will only have one copy of a lib that Tomcat might use. Netbeans
also might use it, as well as other apps. Upgrade for one is an upgrade
for all :)
Exactly there we have a problem. If I have 2 apps demanding different
versions of stuff, I don't want to break the first by simply
installing the second :-)
> Noone who runs tomcat for professional reasons can allow
> the os to do atomatic updates on it, and what is the other reason for
> packaging?
I run Tomcat for professional reasons. Its for those same reason I
prefer to use the latest version of packages. Not outdated shipped
binaries. But to each their own.
So you have a complex automatic regression test suite to ensure that
your apps will run in the next version? Than I assume you have never
shiped a 5.0.x version above 5.0.19, since there was never a working
version in 5.0. branch after 5.0.19.
> And for the newbies the binaries tomcat.apache.org provides
> are perfect (at least they work!).
Did anyone ever say Tomcat on Gentoo did not work? Again this was an
uninformed user griping about dependencies at compile time. Not runtime
issues.
Than gentoo is a lot better than debian or suse.
But what my post is really about is: distros are good for stuff you
don't want to mess around with, like kernel, standard services or
security patches. But as soon as you seriously work with java, the
distros aren't sufficent.
I assume a vlc developer doesn't work with vlc or codec packages from
the distros either.
regards
Leon
Nevertheless merry XMax and a Happy New Year :-)
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