Jones, I agree about your statement about supporting LENR. I do think that just now Rossi is the best shoot we have. Worship is not involved. Neither does an opinion (or lack thereof) imply anything about the quality of others in this group or outside. I do disagree that LENR will will be regarded as valid if Rossi fails. You are saying that LENR is valid anyhow. That might be true but it will be more uphill than it has so far - I think we agree that it is too much slanted the wrong way already? I do not know Rossi. I think from what I have read that he has qualities, which I easily can recognize That is not making sure that his statements are built on solid ground (integrity). There are many (most) entrepreneurs / risk-takers that have a high level of integrity, unfortunately the opposite exists also. The same as with scientists. You that Rossi will not succeed. I believe and hope he succeed.Our differences in that regard does not matter much. It is what it is and I have patient and will wait and see the outcome. As we made no bet ( I do not even want to) there is no personal gain if I am right. Therefore I really should just say nothing. What worries me is that you think Rossi will fail and even indicate some kind of gleefulness over that. First of all it has no more validation than the issues you are questioning about Rossi, secondly and more important it will hurt LENR's future. Nobody needs con-artists. However, they are everywhere and are hard to sort out, they would not be con-artist if they where, by definition. I see no reason to judge one person just before he says he will give us evidence. At least wait until you hear the excuses and the blaming of others. I like your sentence in the end end; "In short, no one can be sure that Rossi is not the hi-tech messiah that his loyal fans seem to believe. Either way, we should know fairly soon." I just think it is far from being a fan or worship.
Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > Definition of “whopper” > > 1. something unusually large or otherwise extreme of its kind > > 2. an extravagant or monstrous lie. > > > > Which one applies here? > > > > Let me make one thing clear. LENR (the field of inquiry) is … or should be > what we seek to support – not a controversial inventor and certainly not > some kind of warped hero-worship. LENR is valid, even if Rossi proves to be > a con-man, and that could easily be the case. > > It is astounding that Rothwell can admit on the one hand: “I do not take > his claims seriously. I think they are more stream-of-consciousness than > lies,” and then proceed to defend those extreme claims which have no basis > in fact and make serious scientists think everyone here is a crank. > > > > This lack of character in a main player is not the way science should > proceed. We demand personal integrity in scientists – and Rossi provides > almost none. It is a huge mistake to believe that a failure by Rossi dooms > the field. > > > > In fact, that scenario is exactly my expectation. We will see AR implode > this Spring, and shortly thereafter, we will see LENR blossom –despite his > failure and the extreme funk of the loyal followers. > > > > Put simply- there is ample evidence in the reality of LENR but there is no > valid scientific evidence that Rossi has ever demonstrated a megawatt > device, nor even a watt device at high gain, nor that he even has a real > “customer” who is hosting a year-long demo. This could all be a product of > an unscrupulous sociopath’s imagination, along with the silent cooperation > of gullible investors, who may face legal problems over their lack of > proper vetting. > > > > As the time for approaches for that long-awaited report on this mystery > device, we are probably seeing the expected signs of an artful-dodger and > something like the old bait-and-shift. That is … if Rossi knows there will > be no positive report which can be independently verified then he will > vigorously attempt to deflect the expected criticism by this ploy which he > is testing out now. Possibly, he will say that he has switched to a new and > much better design or blah, blah, blah… and blame the lack of the report on > Cherokee/IH or someone else. The situation is starting to stink already. > > > > Do not put you faith in Rossi. Instead look to the 25 year history of LENR > and an evolving understanding of a valid field - which will mature and > florish, with or without the assorted con-artists. My expectation is that > it will be “without Rossi” but if not, all the better. Maybe he is a > genius, a master chef selling the whopper … the one which is not a lie and > not even bragging, just an indigestible slab of greasy beef served up by > the only one to understand. > > > > In short, no one can be sure that Rossi is not the hi-tech messiah that > his loyal fans seem to believe. Either way, we should know fairly soon. But > if there is no positive independent report which can be verified, than > Rossi’s memory should be dumped faster than you can say Defkalion. Who were > they, anyway? > > > > Jones > > > > > > >
