On Aug 26, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Stiffler Scientific wrote:
If either of you wish, I think it would clear up the idea of the
'third
electrode'. It is indeed not as its being thought of here.
The circuit is www.stifflerscientific.com/images/cre_sc.jpg
I think it is in my case. Here is a circuit diagram of the cell
internals.
========================================(a)
|
-------
| |
Z1 |
| |
R1 C1
| |
-------
|
o--------------
| |
------- -------
| | | |
| | Z3 |
| | | |
R2 C2 R4 C4
| | | |
------- -------
| |
| o----------(b)
| |
| -------
| | |
| Z4 |
| | |
| R5 C5
| | |
| -------
| |
o--------------
|
-------
| |
Z1 |
| |
R3 C3
| |
-------
|
======================================(c)
Fig.1 - Conceptual circuit diagram of triode screen
R1 and C1 are due to the interface characteristics at electrode (a)
and through electrolyte to the electrode (b).
R3 and C3 are due to the interface characteristics at electrode (c)
and through electrolyte to the electrode (b).
Note, it might be appropriate to add a diode or two to the above
depending on the electrode surface conditions, but let's not go into
that much detail for any of the 3 electrodes.
R4 and C4 describe the electrode (b) electrolyte interface surfaces
facing electrode (a).
R5 and C5 describe the electrode (b) electrolyte interface surfaces
facing electrode (c).
R2 and C2 describe any path through the electrolyte that bypasses the
electrode (b).
The zenier diodes Zi represent the inability of the interfaces to
tunnel electrons through until a critical voltage is reached. For
that reason electrolysis can't occur below a given potential, and
thus energy level.
There is no DC conductivity in an electrolytic cell until a critical
voltage is reached. Depending on how much the electrolyte bypass of
electrode (b) is suppressed, (i.e. the bigger R2 gets) the
conductivity of the cell may be suppressed entirely depending on the
potentials used for (a), (b), and (c). Note that when AC is used
also, it may swing potentials into an electrolysis producing range at
times. The closer a cell operates to the minimum electrolysis
voltage (coming down from a high voltage), the more efficient it is,
and the more it uses ambient heat to effect electrolysis, but the
less gas it evolves in total. The economics of most commercial
electrolysers is not based on energy but rather gas evolved per plate
area. Capital expense is the main thing. Now, if an energy free
electrolyser is possible, that is a whole different thing.
Note that electrolysis can be produced at differing times on
differing plates depending on the discharge cycles of the various
capacitors - complex resonant waveforms can be produced within the
cell itself.
Horace I sent an amended post saying I was not clear on the Eg
result and it
applies to current and not energy.
There is still something wrong with the units. Eg is in A^2 kg m^2/
mol-sec, which is not current, or current density, energy, power, or
anything recognizable. I would suggest reviewing how you came up with
the formula. There is some mistake and correcting it might reveal
something.
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
