You misunderstand my position on these experiences. In my belief system, I don't fear demons or the devil. Through Jesus they fear me. I will never see a UFO, or have an alien abduction experience.
We must know our enemy in order to win, but most people don't even believe the devil or demons exist. That is by his design and one of the most successful tactics of this "invasion" if you will. As Ed suggested they are trying to hide their existence to a degree and definitely hide their true nature. After all, we will not guard ourselves against something that does not exist. It would be interesting to see how many God fearing, born again, Bible believing, Christians have had abduction experiences. I venture to say that it is none, since we don't have nearly as much vulnerability as the general population. The Bible says, "Resist the devil and he will flee from you." Who out there is going to resist something that doesn't exist? There does seem to be a distinction between demon possession and demon oppression. These beings are able to affect you, plant visions or memories, all short of taking you over on a continuous basis, but once one has taken control, he can allow others to enter. This is the source of multiple personalities. We all seem to agree that there is some nasty "unexplainable" stuff going on in and around the world. We can each call it what we want, but that does not change what it is. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm >From Mr. Fink > It seems to me that traditional cases of demon > possession over the centuries have been more common > with more documentations than the UFO/abductions we > have today. Couldn't this all be a new twist on an > old theme? Perhaps we tend to embrace this new stuff > and reject the old stuff simply because the > perpetrators have lured us by putting a scientific > flavor on it. Many people have speculated on the premise that "UFO Abductions" are actually demonic activity shrouded in the guise of modern archetypes involving spaceships and aliens. They conjecture that these abductee/experiencers are not interpreting the "true" picture of what's really going on. In regards to such conjecture, I think it is only logical I ask individuals like Mr. Fink the inevitable question: What makes you think those who in prior pre-technological societies were any better at correctly interpreting their alleged "demonic" encounters, as compared to those who currently believe they are being abducted by aliens? >From what I can tell, the fear of "demonic" encounters seems to revolve around an archetypical belief that one's "soul" is in danger of being repossessed by the equivalent of the "repo-man" - nefarious creatures who have an agenda all of their own, to repossess your "vehicle". I cannot tell you, nor is it even appropriate for me to suggest you stop fearing in the belief of evil spirits or the devil. And even if I were to suggest such a foolish thing I suspect you would continue to fear such things anyway, precisely because such concepts most likely have significant meaning for you, particularly in the way I speculate you might believe the universe is constructed, as well as your position in it. I can only suggest that you might want to consider some of the following thoughts: Our imagination is a powerful tool. One of the challenges we homo sapiens are still learning how to grapple with is the fact that such a powerful tool can occasionally get the best of us, particular when we end up serving the whims of our imagination, rather than our imaginations serving our best interests. If that doesn't make any sense to you, let me offer the following anecdotal information having to do with the many abductee / experiencers I've met over the years. None, of the abductee / experiencers that I've met have ever shown the slightest hints of behavior that would suggest (to me) that they have been "possessed". They have never shown symptoms that someone else is actually pulling their strings. Granted, a few here and there them may genuinely FEAR some "alien(s)" are attempting to control (possess) them, but that's not the same thing as BEING controlled by aliens, or demons. The fact that they might fear the process means they are not actually being controlled - they simply fear that they might be vulnerable to being controlled. There seems to be a distinction between demonic possession and demonic oppression. With apologies to the many fine atheists who reside within the Vort Collective let me suggest an alternative perspective that I hope Jeff might be willing to entertain concerning the matter of "demonic possession." Most of the Great Masters have stated (in different wording) that one's Soul is Eternal. You, the essence of what You are is Your Soul. The Soul is one's direct link with the Eternal, of the TAO, God, Allah, whatever one wishes to name that which cannot be named. You cannot be separated from your Soul, which means You cannot be separated from the TAO, God, Allah, or whatever one wishes to name: "I Am that I Am" is. The only tangible fear that might exist concerning "possession" is a BELIEF that one's Soul can be separated from its eternal Source. It's a titillating belief, one that our species has constructed and continues to occasionally flirt with, causing great drama and spectacle for all to see. But in the end, we discover it's only a belief, a belief of our own making. We don't have to lose Ourselves in such a belief. Such a belief no longer has to continue hindering us from experiencing Who We really Are, if we chose to set such a belief aside. Ah, what the hell. I suspect Kyle Mcallister probably articulated a similar matter far better than I when he recently suggested: "...go along for the ride. Or as some would say, 'Dude. Chill.'" Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
