At 12:50 AM 12/12/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
I think it is Bob Rohner's company that has the
kits, and he appears to be making them
available, contrary to John Rohner's wishes,Â
if I remember correctly. Â It also looks like
Bob Rohner's kit is the one that Russ Gries is
testing out in the youtube videos [1]. Â I also
believe it was Bob Rohner that demonstrated a device to Michael McKubre.
[1]Â
<http://pesn.com/2012/10/02/9602199_Russ_Gries_runs_Bob_Rohners_Noble_Gas_Popper_replication_on_Hydrogen/>http://pesn.com/2012/10/02/9602199_Russ_Gries_runs_Bob_Rohners_Noble_Gas_Popper_replication_on_Hydrogen/
The original kit was offered by John Rohner, and
Russ bought one, and decided the information with
it was completely inadequate. There are lots of
details to cover to accurately report on all this "news."
I see no sign in the PESN page cited that
Rohner's company "has the kits." Rather, Russ
followed Bob Rohner's "procedures." Very
explicitly, Russ claims that only 3% of what he did came from Bob Rohner.
There is something totally frustrating about
Russ's reports. He's operating a Popper, and
generating some considerable force with it. But
he's also got a capacitor bank discharging into
the thing. He dumped, in a single "pop," almost
500 Joules into it. There is *no* information
that can allow the calculation of work done by
that piston. We have no idea if there is any XP at all.
A joule would lift 100 grams a meter. Suppose the
weight and the piston are 10 kg.
500 Joules, efficiently transferred, could lift
them a half-meter, more than enough.
Michael McKubre was present at the Tesla
conference where Bob Rohner demonstrated his own
popper, and where Plasmerg announced the John
Rohner Popper kit. I've seen nothing from McKubre
that would represent a validation of the Papp
engine, only some comment that there might be
something interesting happening. And that's
obvious. After all, I spent many hours
researching Papp on the web. Interesting. And
apparently seriously crazy, that submarine affair was a doozy.
Yet all this was interesting enough that Feynman
attended a Papp demonstration. Feynman pulled the
plug. Originally, he pulled it with Papp's
permission, but then delayed handing it back as
Papp became more and more frantic. And then the
thing exploded. Feynman had, rather obviously,
shut down the control system. There were attempts
made to claim that Papp had deliberately exploded
his device, but not only does that seem thin as
hell, under those conditions, Caltech did pay a
settlement to the family of the deceased. I'm
sure there was an investigation, and explosives would leave traces.
This may have been the saddest incident of Feynman's life.
McKubre is a real scientist, a professional. He
does not rule things out on theoretical grounds.
If he runs calorimetry or an energy balance study
on this or something else, we can trust it. When
John Rohner attacks "MM", I think he means McKubre.
