Terry, you need to now that Arata explored many sources of palladium black 
before be found one that worked. He never revealed his source or what made the 
particular batch active.  Dissociation, loading and liquids are not the 
essential requirements.  An essential requirement exists in a material, but the 
nature of that critical condition is being debated.  

Ed Srorms
On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:10 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> Caveat:
>> There is no present indication that an automotive catalytic converter (CC)
>> will show thermal gain in an unpowered hydrogen experiment, similar to
>> Cravens work - but essentially there is a valid expectation of this result,
>> based on experiments going back to Arata... and it is easily demonstrated.
> 
> When I first joined the list ages ago, I asked the sages if they
> thought it was possible to get a CF reaction in a CC.  They kindly
> explained to the naive newcomer that it required dissociation and
> loading and liquids.  Patted me on the head politely and sent me
> along.
> 
> Amusing, innit?
> 

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