Eric -- That Schauberger diagram link is a visual and intellectual feast as far as I'm concerned. That quote you pulled from it is sort of my case-in-point for why I used the analogy. If nanomagnetic vortices, induced by non-linear collective modes, are "transducing" or "transforming" vacuum fluctuations (or some deeper scalar field), the question is how/why? I think hydrodynamic systems -- such as helical longitudinal waves interacting in a river -- are nice analogies. And while of course there may be technical differences as you go down and up in scale, I do believe in a self-similarity in nature, and basic processes repeat themselves at all scales. I think this to be one of them. I dare to be naïve.
-- John On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is great. Note the "accumulated charge of pure, life-enhancing > energy ... [radiated] into the environment along a plane perpendicular to > the direction of flow." > > Vortex is the wacky overunity devices study group. I did not expect such > things to become a personal hobby, or to take such pleasure in some of the > doodads. > > Eric > > > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> *it is in these domains of the nano-material that these coherent >>> structures can become stable * >>> >>> There are only a few particles that stay together for an extended >>> period of time, only the proton really. The neutron will stay around within >>> the context of the proton, but will decay when isolated on its own. >>> >>> >>> >>> Solitons can stay stable in the context of the BEC for as long as the >>> BEC endures but will decay when isolated on its own. >>> >>> >>> >>> The application of energy to air will catalyze a polariton soliton, but >>> that vortex will rapidly decay. A high energy electron produced by beta >>> decay might produce a polariton soliton, when the emitted electron releases >>> its energy in a collision with a nitrogen molecule. But that soliton does >>> not stay around very long, it decays in Picoseconds. The same is true for >>> spark discharge in air. However, if the spark vaporizes material, say an >>> aluminum sheet, a cooling plasma of aluminum will supply nano and micro >>> particles together with the electrons and the photons in the spark >>> discharge within a contextual medium to catalyze a polariton soliton BEC. >>> The energy of the discharge is great enough to form a BEC. With the support >>> of this polariton BEC, this soliton ensemble persists and is localized for >>> long enough to transmute the surrounding material through the projection of >>> a coherent anapole magnetic field (a monopole field). >>> >>> >>> >>> Ken Shoulders saw this whole process unfold in this research, but he >>> never added the polariton and the associated BEC context to his >>> experimental explanations. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> picking up and displacing very "fine grained" material and >>>> re-depositing it elsewhere >>>> >>>> With all respect, this is some conceptual junk that you pick up along >>>> the way as an inappropriate analogy. >>>> >>>> The key is that the magnetic field has an effect on the vacuum which >>>> results in a complicated set of results. Spin flipping (the Higgs >>>> mechanism) cannot be described in any context with the sedimentation of >>>> material. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not so sure one needs to posit Higgs Field interactions -- maybe. >>>>> I see it in a very basic way without too much esoterica. In over-unity >>>>> electrical systems (possibly cold fusion) we initiate non-linear coupling >>>>> between appropriate materials. This non-linear coupling produces these >>>>> collective anharmonic modes. Moray B. King calls them "ion acoustical >>>>> modes", T. Henry Moray was one of the first to propose this mechanism was >>>>> at play in his plasma tubes. Harold Aspden eventually arrived at the same >>>>> conclusion while attempting to explain the Correa PAGD -- which both he >>>>> and >>>>> Mallove believed was legitimate. >>>>> >>>>> So once the non-linear mode is setup, if all the conditions for >>>>> material requirements and proper integration are met, the system will set >>>>> up these nano-vortices -- usually magnetic -- which, like any other >>>>> vortex, >>>>> is quite good at picking up and displacing very "fine grained" material >>>>> and >>>>> re-depositing it elsewhere -- in this case from the "Aether" into >>>>> our 3D-space (Higgs field, ZPF, or whatever) (think of a longitudinal wave >>>>> in a riverbed). We know ball-lightning solitons result from >>>>> fracto-emissions -- perhaps it is in these domains of the nano-material >>>>> that these coherent structures can become stable and setup resonance with >>>>> the vacuum. >>>>> >>>>> All speculation of course. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Another area that Ahern needs to look into is the way the Higgs field >>>>>> seems to connect together magnetism and quantum chromodynamics (QCD), >>>>>> which is the theory of quark-gluon interactions. >>>>>> >>>>>> When Ahern is postulating that nanomagnitism is effecting the vacuum, >>>>>> he may mean to address how the Higgs field and nanomagnitism interact, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Most scientists are constrained in their focus by their >>>>>>> specialization to a limited field of study. To understand a system >>>>>>> fully, >>>>>>> many fields of study must be considered to put all the pieces together. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One obvious area of inquiry that Ahern never pursued is to >>>>>>> understand how magnetism affects the vacuum and/or nuclear stability. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another important piece of the puzzle that Ahern neglects in the >>>>>>> critical role of quantum mechanics plays as a powerful amplification >>>>>>> mechanism toward powering up Nanomagnetism to huge levels. When the >>>>>>> dimensions of the lattice get below 100 nm, quantum effects >>>>>>> predominate. To >>>>>>> understand Nanomagnetism, quantum mechanics is the sole factor that >>>>>>> reveals >>>>>>> all the facts in the story of the nano system >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Furthermore, Ahern never mentions the pivotal role the spin plays in >>>>>>> Nanomagnetism, including what defeats Nanomagnetism and what supports >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah he's pretty dismissive of the Heat/Helium work, which I >>>>>>>> disagree with for PdD at least, and we're still waiting on reliable ash >>>>>>>> measurements from NiH, but he's of course entitled to his opinion and I >>>>>>>> still have a lot of respect for his views. I think, like he said, his >>>>>>>> theory applies better to mysterious electromagnetic "free energy" >>>>>>>> systems >>>>>>>> than it does to LENR, but he thinks the same phenomenon is at play in >>>>>>>> both. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think non-linear anharmonic modes may indeed be at play here. As >>>>>>>> I think I mentioned in the interview, on a personal level, I like the >>>>>>>> analogy of loaded hydride in a wet or gaseous system as a >>>>>>>> non-equilibrium, >>>>>>>> non-linear, open system of sorts -- so I think energy concentration (in >>>>>>>> "violation" of the second law) may indeed be at play. But on the flip >>>>>>>> side >>>>>>>> I can't totally dismiss Storms' point of view that doesn't think any >>>>>>>> sort >>>>>>>> of abnormal energy concentration is necessary -- that linear >>>>>>>> reaction-diffusion can get H/D to the NAE efficiently enough without >>>>>>>> needing to invoke non-linear dynamics. It's hard to say. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm hoping the ash analysis being carried out by ELFORSK can shed >>>>>>>> some light on what's going on (i.e. fusion or not fusion). I'm banking >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> that, because I don't really have a lot of faith DGT will be releasing >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> wealth of mass spectrometer work anytime soon, even though they >>>>>>>> promised to >>>>>>>> at last years ICCF. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is an excellent interview. Have not finished yet, but there >>>>>>>>> are a few things to add. Ahern is strongly impressed with a magnetic >>>>>>>>> invention (Manelas device) since he did the 8 day test - and which >>>>>>>>> device >>>>>>>>> others have belittled. It is similar to the Floyd Sweet device (for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> historians of overunity). The cross-connection to LENR is not easy to >>>>>>>>> explain but is there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It can be noted up front that Ahern does not believe that there is >>>>>>>>> any evidence whatsoever for nuclear fusion in LENR. That includes >>>>>>>>> deuterium >>>>>>>>> fusion to helium and especially Ni-H. He thinks it is all >>>>>>>>> nanomagnetic. >>>>>>>>> Nanomagnetism is roughly equivalent to a combination of >>>>>>>>> superferromagnetism >>>>>>>>> and superparamagnetism. They are two are extremes of the same >>>>>>>>> phenomenon. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He believes that the helium seen in Pd-D is basically measurement >>>>>>>>> error - noise. Krivit is probably pleased with that assessment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Alan Fletcher >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Foks0904 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm sure many of you know of Brian Ahern from his EPRI report, >>>>>>>>> his MIT colloquium appearance earlier this year, and now his >>>>>>>>> collaboration >>>>>>>>> with MFMP. Even if you're not aware of him, I think this conversation >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> enough for 3-4 threads worth of topics. We even flirt with the >>>>>>>>> ever-so-dangerous & taboo possibility of "perpetual motion". Titled: >>>>>>>>> "Nanomagnetism, Cooperative Modes, & Non-Linear LENR". Hope you >>>>>>>>> guys/gals >>>>>>>>> enjoy: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_kID_E-3tY >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> An outline can be found here: >>>>>>>>> http://jmag0904.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/dr-brian-ahern-nanomagnetism-cooperative-modes-non-linear-lenr/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's a MUST-LISTEN link. (And I'm only half-way through!) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Goes into some of the history of anharmonic modes (related to >>>>>>>>> discrete breathers, Quodons we've discussed recently). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At about 19minutes he says superconductivity and >>>>>>>>> (super?)-ferro-magnetism are closely related (and that the latter >>>>>>>>> persists >>>>>>>>> up to a thousand degrees.). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Then I *think* he says that LENR could be a localized >>>>>>>>> ferromagnetic effect tapping into vacuum energy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Needs a transcript. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
