Hi Carlo & other "WAMUGERS". If the meetings were not held so far from where I live, I can assure you I would be a regular attendee. To come home from a long day at work, have dinner, then trek from Jane Brook to Murdoch is not my idea of fun !
Anyway that's just my situation ! On 17/09/2012, at 8:35 PM, Carlo Margio wrote: > I would just like to put out this quick response. Due to a bout of the flu > and some coordinated crises in other areas I have had to ration my time. > First up I will say that I will recommend at the next committee meeting that > we don't go ahead with the name change vote as apart from a few supporters > there has been quite vocal opposition. Nevertheless as promised I will state > my reasons for originally supporting the proposal. > > To me it is patently obvious that the new name is superior but apparently > views on this differ. A poster that reads Apple Users WA Meeting has already > selected those who have an interest in the topic. Those that choose to read > on will be seeking information as to how to get to the meeting, those not > interested (say Android users) will know not to waste their time. The > organisations description would be its name so nothing further needs to be > remembered. Compare this to a poster that reads WA Mac Users Group Meeting, > or WA Macintosh Users Group Meeting, or more correctly the full name Western > Australian Macintosh Users Group Meeting. Most persons would not know what > the poster was about, but worse it does not describe what our group actually > does because it does not cover the iPhone, the iPad, Apple TV and many of the > more innovative and recent Apple products. Much as I love the Macintosh and > spend a great deal of my time on one it now accounts for only about 15% of > the Appl e > devices sold -- I don't have exact numbers on hand. So many Apple users do > not own a Macintosh. > > Some quick responses to post (from memory): > > Someone quipped If it ain't broke don't fix it -- a recent meeting had from > memory about 8 attendees 6 of whom where committee members. The mailing list > is far from broken by the meetings are. Certain of us have put a lot of > effort into presentation that a being given to a very small group. > > Shouldn't it be WA Apple Users -- Yes I would prefer that to WAMUG but to my > mind Apple Users WA is better because it puts the purpose of the organisation > first then qualifies it with the WA > > Will Apple allow this -- that we don't know. Trying the name is one way to > find out. The fact that we are a users group may mean that we will be OK. The > Queensland based Apple-Q users group has passed scrutiny and our current name > already has the Apple registered "Macintosh" is its name. > > What will this cost please publish the books -- I have not done a cost > benefit analysis but as a non profit group we do not aim to make a profit. > All monies spent further our cause of helping Apple Users and promoting Apple > use. I do not off the top of my head know the current state of the books but > a personal communication to the treasurer would likely get that. Historically > a treasurer's report is given at the general meeting. If you wish to change > this please move a motion to that extent. > > The business saying, become the company that would put you out of business > may apply here. We are currently an extremely effective mail list but have > very little attendance at the meetings. So for now the name change will not > go ahead. Will another group appear and make us irrelevant. > > Regards, > Carlo > > --- > Carlo Margio > Real World Computing > > mob: +61 404 296 965 > i...@realworldcomputing.com.au > www.realworldcomputing.com.au > > On 17/09/2012, at 9:19 AM, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote: > >> Hi Carlo, >> >> I understand you are busy but you mentioned you would post comment over the >> week-end. >> I would appreciate a response to my concerns and queries, that I posted on >> 12/09/2012. >> >> I'll itemise my three main concerns / questions that have not been responded >> to below. My original email is also included. >> >> 1. How does Apple itself feel about this name change, given that it wasn't >> that long ago (3-4 years I think) that they "took back" AppleCentre names >> from the Resellers? Are we (as WAMUG) allowed now to use "Apple Users"? >> Or is that something they would take back down the track as well? >> >> 2. The Committee mention a marketing push in the original post. >> Has a marketing push been tried currently with WAMUG as it stands to date? >> >> Couldn't this be tried as another (much easier) way to try and recruit more >> members. Surely just advertising WAMUG - come along to learn all about and >> gain extensive knowledge and help for all things Apple - iPhone, iPad, >> AppleTV. New members welcome to the monthly meetings. Or something along >> that theme? >> >> Any marketing material would still just refer to "the whole range of Apple >> products and services" that you're trying to target. >> And those older, longer (or lost) members who still remember WAMUG, it may >> be enough of a "Refresh" to dig them out of the woodwork. >> As mentioned in my first email, I still get a lot of people that email me >> privately about how great a service is given by WAMUG. >> >> 3. Has a budget or costing been looked at for all this as yet? Or is that to >> follow the name change? I know you have to spend money to make money as the >> saying goes, but we (as WAMUG as a whole) obviously still need to cover the >> running costs of the group I would imagine without "blowing out the budget". >> Surely if we could try a marketing push without the added expensive of all >> these changes first, would show if it's going to work or not? >> >> Regards, >> >> Ronni >> >> On 13/09/2012, at 7:44 AM, Carlo Margio <wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au> >> wrote: >> >>> Mi Muggers, >>> >>> There a many interesting points below I would like to comment on. I am >>> mired down in family issues and preparation for delivery of a UWA test >>> tomorrow so haven't had a spare moment. I will post on the week end. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Carlo >>> >>> --- >>> Carlo Margio >>> Real World Computing >>> >>> mob: +61 404 296 965 >>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au >>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au >>> >>> On 12/09/2012, at 11:40 PM, Pete Smith <smudd...@internode.on.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ronni and all other WAMUGGERS. >>>> >>>> I'd just like to address two points from a personal perspective to put >>>> your minds at ease. >>>> >>>> 1. Domain name. Knowing that the name change would invoke healthy public >>>> debate on a public forum and also knowing that there are people out there >>>> (not WAMUGGERS!!) who snap up possible domain names to hold out for >>>> 'ransom', so to speak, a couple of domain names were snapped up by WAMUG >>>> first. >>>> >>>> If the end result is that the membership vote to change the name, we >>>> already have the domain secured. If the end result is that membership vote >>>> to retain WAMUG, then the domain names will simply expire and not be >>>> renewed. It was just a precautionary thing. >>>> >>>> Personally - please consider the change and vote for what you want. >>>> >>>> 2. Constitution. I don't know where the 28 days has come from. Our >>>> constitution reads: >>>> >>>> "5.3 Notice of General Meetings >>>> At least twenty one days notice of every Annual General Meeting or >>>> fourteen days for every Special General Meeting shall be given to Members >>>> specifying the place, the date and the hour of the Meeting and the general >>>> nature of any special business, but the non-receipt of such notice by any >>>> Member shall not invalidate the proceedings at any General Meeting." >>>> >>>> The Associations Incorporation Act 1987 allows us to set the time period >>>> as we see fit as long it is actually in the Rules (Constitution) which it >>>> is. Other bodies may have 28 days but we don't. As you see, it is 21 days >>>> for the AGM and only 14 days for a Special General meeting. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Pete Smith >>>> >>>> On 12/09/2012, at 17:15 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: >>>> >>>>> OOPS ... I forgot another point I did hint at it my first post to the >>>>> list. >>>>> >>>>> In the post from the Committee it was mentioned having to explain the >>>>> WAMUG name. Isn't this sort of doing the right thing, as it's getting >>>>> them "enquiring" about it. >>>>> Once you've got them asking what it is, you then explain what WAMUG is, >>>>> what it does (covering all Apple products) etc etc. >>>>> >>>>> You have then got them intrigued enough to enquire about it,.... so >>>>> you've "got them",... then you can sell them on the idea to come and see, >>>>> come to a meeting or join the Mailing List. >>>>> >>>>> Well that's it from me, all done, nothing more to say. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ronni >>>>> >>>>> On 12/09/2012, at 4:57 PM, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi WAMUGers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, I have said "Hi WAMUGers" another time ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been giving some more thought to this and watching the list and >>>>>> comments and pondering the following, which I haven't seen answered as >>>>>> yet, so will re-post for interest sake, some of the queries raised so >>>>>> far, as well as some points of interest I have. >>>>>> >>>>>> First off, I'm assuming that appleuserswa.org.au would be the new >>>>>> website address. After doing a search of registered Domain Names, I >>>>>> noticed it was registered already, which I then discovered was by WAMUG. >>>>>> Just curious why this was registered when it has not been agreed on as >>>>>> yet? >>>>>> >>>>>> Secondly, Merv mentioned the other day that the Special Meeting requires >>>>>> a 28 day notice, so may not fall in time for the 2nd October. I'm >>>>>> assuming this would then need to be the November meeting to keep in line >>>>>> with the constitution. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Committee mention a marketing push in the original post. Has a >>>>>> marketing push been tried currently with WAMUG as it stands to date? >>>>>> Couldn't this be tried as another (much easier) way to try and recruit >>>>>> more members. Surely just advertising WAMUG - come along to learn all >>>>>> about and gain extensive knowledge and help for all things Apple - >>>>>> iPhone, iPad, AppleTV. New members welcome to the monthly meetings. Or >>>>>> something along that theme? >>>>>> >>>>>> Any marketing material would still just refer to "the whole range of >>>>>> Apple products and services" that you're trying to target. And those >>>>>> older, longer (or lost) members who still remember WAMUG, it may be >>>>>> enough of a "Refresh" to dig them out of the woodwork. >>>>>> As mentioned in my first email, I still get a lot of people that email >>>>>> me privately about how great a service is given by WAMUG. >>>>>> >>>>>> Which also brings out the question of costing? Has a budget or costing >>>>>> been looked at for all this as yet? Or is that to follow the name >>>>>> change? I know you have to spend money to make money as the saying goes, >>>>>> but we (as WAMUG as a whole) obviously still need to cover the running >>>>>> costs of the group I would imagine without "blowing out the budget". >>>>>> Surely if we could try a marketing push without the added expensive of >>>>>> all these changes first, would show if it's going to work or not? >>>>>> >>>>>> Another point that has been worrying me is... How does Apple itself feel >>>>>> about this, given that it wasn't that long ago (3-4 years I think) that >>>>>> they "took back" AppleCentre names from the Resellers. Are we (as WAMUG) >>>>>> allowed now to use Apple Users? Or is that something they would take >>>>>> back down the track as well? >>>>>> >>>>>> As everyone knows I am all for WAMUG, I believe in WAMUG's principles >>>>>> and work and I try to do the very best I possibly can to help people on >>>>>> the Mailing List. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ronni >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/09/2012, at 9:39 AM, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi WAMUGers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With sadness that will probably be the last time I use "Hi WAMUGers". >>>>>>> I'm not against change but I am feeling sadness that the name WAMUG >>>>>>> (Western Australian Macintosh Users' Group) will be no longer. >>>>>>> A great reputation was built under that name, and I am honoured and >>>>>>> proud to have been awarded a Honorary Life Membership of WAMUG. >>>>>>> People from all over the world have contacted me congratulating us on >>>>>>> the level of support we give on WAMUG Mailing List. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The committee proposes that our group of Apple enthusiasts be know as >>>>>>>> "Apple Users WA". As opposed to WAMUG which has to be explained to >>>>>>>> all on first hearing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't agree that WAMUG has to be explained TO ALL on first hearing, >>>>>>> sure as any company/group name abbreviated to an acronym there are some >>>>>>> people who you need to give an explanation. If "Apple Users WA" is >>>>>>> abbreviated to AUWA you would be explaining to more people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Will the new website be "www.appleuserswa.org.au"? Will the email >>>>>>> Address be appleuser...@appleuserswa.org.au? >>>>>>> A new Constitution will also need to be prepared. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not wanting to sound negative about the change as change is >>>>>>> normally for the best. Just one last point I would like to make is from >>>>>>> what I understand the majority of Members are "Online Members"; >>>>>>> members who for varying reasons can not/do not attend WAMUG Meetings >>>>>>> and rely purely on the WAMUG Mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/09/2012, at 10:00 PM, wamug announce <annou...@wamug.org.au> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Muggers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As you know the WAMUG Committee is working hard to increase the >>>>>>>> availability of our service to Apple users. A number of our recent >>>>>>>> meetings have included well received hands on demonstrations in >>>>>>>> addition to the traditional segment for problem solving and the >>>>>>>> sharing of ideas. Though we are a vibrant and active group and have a >>>>>>>> particularly responsive, helpful mail list, the Committee would like >>>>>>>> to instigate a marketing push to increase meeting attendance, attract >>>>>>>> some new members, and get involved in community outreach. A model that >>>>>>>> we can aspire to is that of the dynamic Apple-Q in Queensland. ( >>>>>>>> http://www.apple-q.org.au ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This marketing will include a revamping of the web-site, printing of >>>>>>>> business cards, and advertising in local publications and on local >>>>>>>> notice boards. Before the marketing initiative begins a name change >>>>>>>> would greatly help with public recognition of what our group does. The >>>>>>>> committee proposes that our group of Apple enthusiasts be know as >>>>>>>> "Apple Users WA". As opposed to WAMUG which has to be explained to >>>>>>>> all on first hearing, Apple Users WA obviously describes a group Apple >>>>>>>> product users. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We support the whole range of Apple products and services in addition >>>>>>>> to the much loved, time honoured Mac. Newer products such as the iPod, >>>>>>>> iPhone, iPad and Apple TV all contribute to the easily accessible >>>>>>>> Apple ecosystem that we have come to rely upon. Rounding out the Apple >>>>>>>> combined ecosystem are services that include iCloud, iTunes, iTunes U, >>>>>>>> iTunes Match, the App Store, and the Mac App Store. It is now possible >>>>>>>> to own and iPhone and an iPad, and with the use iCloud have an >>>>>>>> extremely versatile and functional setup. Younger people in particular >>>>>>>> are often in a position where they do not even know what a Mac is. >>>>>>>> Also Windows users are often wooed into the Apple fold by the iPhone >>>>>>>> and iPad, but may initially not know the benefits of converting to an >>>>>>>> iMac or a MacBook. We would like to help these sections of the >>>>>>>> community as well as those who make use of the full range of Apple >>>>>>>> products. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even though we long standing members are quite comfortable with, and >>>>>>>> likely even quite attached to the WAMUG name, a name that better >>>>>>>> reflects our activities and sounds more accessible will help us >>>>>>>> promote the use of the Apple product range and provide a obvious >>>>>>>> support group for the growing collection of new Apple users. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So while aficionados principally do our work on a Mac, increasingly >>>>>>>> certain specialised functions are better served by using newer Apple >>>>>>>> products and services. The Committee proposes that we change the name >>>>>>>> to Apple Users WA to better reflect this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This name change will require the passing of a motion at a Special >>>>>>>> Meeting of WAMUG. We propose that the meeting of Tuesday 2 October be >>>>>>>> such a Special Meeting. 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