Re: [Webware-discuss] What's in a style

[Aaron Held]

I would love to see a book - I've taught webware and written some tutorials and guides - but nothing recent. I think a pure webware book would fail, and there have been a few less then interesting Web Development in Python books as well. Something like Enterprise Integration in Python would be interesing - focus on webware but do python things like NT Service integration, Manage MS Exchange, XMLRPC, long running threads etc... There are lots of things Python can do easily that are hard in Java, and there are more things that Webware can do well that PHP can't. (I like to position it as the elegance of J2EE w/ the development speed of PHP) I think that a webware book should focus on tasks done well in Python and webware.  (Otherwise it  seen as a less capable Java server or overly complex PHP clone). Thanks, -Aaron Held Shayne ONeill wrote: Hmm. A book. I'm wondering if I should/could put my hands up on that one. Being that I'm a journo by trade, I'm thinking I might be able to pull it off. Now that said, I'd need some serious ears when I had a question to bounce off. That said, I'm a reasonable enough programmer, or I'd like to think I am :) Perhaps the trick is I write a sample chapter and throw it at a few publishers (orielly etc) and see if theres any interest. If theres not, I doubt I could justify the expenditure of time, but if there is interest It'd be a damn great way to spend this currently-between-jobs period I'm in. Whats the vibes here? -- Shayne O'Neill http://perth.indymedia.org I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." ----George W. Bush On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Chris Barker wrote: Douglas Burchard wrote: Would something other than a wrench fit better? For example: I like the wrench a lot, I think "tools" when I think of Webware. <http://www.douglasburchard.com/demo-logo_01.jpg> the feather ties it to Apache too much. while most of us probably use it with Apache, it is NOT an Apache extension. I know, there are several problems with this specific example, but perhaps someone could offer a better metaphor... Maybe a way to use the wrench, and something that says: "web". A globe, perhaps a wrench adjusting the globe? I'm NOT a designer, so I'm not going ot even try to make an image out of that idea! More than a good website, more than a logo, what Webware needs to get some real exposure and use is a Book. I had a colleague who had worked with me on a Python based project, then set out to build a web app. After looking through the books on developing for the web with Python, and buying "Web Programming in Python", he was thoroughly confused about what combinations of tools to use (CGI, mod_python, mod_snake, jonpy, quiote, webware, etc.). If there was a book: "Building web applications with Python and Webware", that told you what tools to use, and how to use them, he probably would have used it. Instead, he was faced with Zope, which he didn't really like. So, he bought a book that told him how to use PHP and MySQL to do what he wanted. He didn't like PHP better, what he liked was that there weren't so many options he had to choose from for every part of the project. A self contained book about Webware would really make the difference! That being said, I have neither the talent nor the time to write such a book, but I think someone who did might even be able to earn a decent profit from it. -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click _______________________________________________ Webware-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-discuss ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click _______________________________________________ Webware-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-discuss -- -Aaron http://www.MetroNY.com/ If the car industry behaved like the computer industry over the last 30 years, a Rolls-Royce would cost $5, get 300 miles per gallon, and blow up once a year killing all passengers inside.