* Ian Bicking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-04-22 23:26]: > On Apr 22, 2004, at 1:03 PM, Aaron Held wrote: > > I would love to see a book - I've taught webware and written some > > tutorials and guides - but nothing recent. > > > > I think a pure webware book would fail, and there have been a few > > less then interesting Web Development in Python books as well. > > I agree -- I don't think a Webware book would work. In fact, I don't > think Python is ready for any web programming books (except Zope -- but > even those suck tremendously, so maybe Zope isn't ready either ;).
I'd agree and say just a decent [up to date with CVS or 0.8] tutorial would be the best balance and use of time. Perhaps implementing whatever the common example is for Java servlets these days - the Petstore? I think the petstore is actually the whole J2EE fruit salad. Anyways, I think the most alluring and useful tutorial would be targeted at servlet/jsp developers, as the servlet paradigm is similar, as is the ability to run an appserver on its own, which often the masses using PHP don't have. And with Jython, BSF, and noise around Groovy the javafolks are likely to come across Python. > The reality is that Python web programming is a fucking mess. It's > pathetic. There's no way to write a book, because there's no material It does seem so. Perhaps a chicken/egg situation. Or lack of a niche - those who can will run servlet (or full J2EE) containers, others mod_php. (And the whole MS world too.) How much middle ground is there? The most visible opportunities to ever get much of an improvement to me would be having it run near-transparently on top of java servlet containers (or .NET? I don't know anything about it) or have mod_python fork and grow the 'safe_mode' features mod_php does so that ISPs could deploy it as easily and widely as PHP. > BTW, if anyone wants to talk about these larger issues, Web-SIG is > probably an appropriate venue: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig -- > feel free to post anything that comes to your mind, it's too damn quiet > there. I think exasperation hit all the participants in web-sig. Hands thrown up. Without a top-down, BSD- or BDFL-like process driving this sort of project, people seem to talk for a bit then just go and choose the one of the 349870987 frameworks they like the best. Seems one group just needs to make a kick-ass framework, push it hard, and build support, Darwin (the guy not OS) style. Not an easy thing to do... but not impossible! -- ___________________________ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Robotic Monkeys at ThinkGeek For a limited time only, get FREE Ground shipping on all orders of $35 or more. Hurry up and shop folks, this offer expires April 30th! http://www.thinkgeek.com/freeshipping/?cpg=12297 _______________________________________________ Webware-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-discuss
