Having personally been subject of a case of sexual harassment at an
unrelated event a few years back where I was supposedly the victim, I
have to wonder even about those. Seriously, what the hell /is/ sexual
harassment? Because in my case, apparently me butting into a
conversation just to be an arse constituted me being sexually harassed,
which... just... what? (I only found out about this at all because it
was in the godsdamn news.)
Meanwhile we probably actually have real cases of folks being harassed
or even assaulted and they don't even realise that's what's going on
either because everything's all hushy hush and they've no sensible
examples of what's worth going to help for themselves, or anything to
show what is or isn't apt to just blow up in their face in practice so
they actually feel /safe/ doing so. Seriously, if we don't talk about
this stuff, how is anyone supposed to learn from it? How the hell is the
current code of conduct supposed to be refined? How are we as a
community supposed to address any existing issues?
Obviously we need something to protect the folks involved, but this is
just a mess as is. I haven't even felt at all safe going to the CoC
folks about other things that have happened in venues subject to the
CoC, for much the same reason, and while that was just incidents of
frayed nerves overflowing and someone yelling at me for what turned out
to be a total miscommunication anyway, I wound up having to remove
myself from a D&D game I was a part of as a result because I just
couldn't focus properly on anything for awhile afterwards AND YOU KNOW
IT WOULD SURE HELP IF WE HAD REASONABLE PEOPLE TO GO TO TO JUST... HELP
SMOOTH THINGS OVER AND TELL US IT'S OKAY OR STUFF. WITHOUT HAVING TO
WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING BEING MADE WORSE FOR ANYONE INVOLVED OR GETTING
BANNED OURSELVES OR CRAP.
Feckin'...
-I
On 08/08/18 20:29, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:
Taking my coc hat off, I'm not representing the committee at all.
Several things have been misunderstood imo. I want to address them.
1) The use of profanity is not prohibited by the COC, using them against
others or for unconstructive reasons is. If you see the whole discussion,
you could clearly see the comment is not made to move discussion forward.
These are clear case of disruptive actions.
1.1) the response to these violations depends on the user, very similar to
what Wikipedia does. If it was the first case reported about Mz, they
wouldn't get this ban.
2) the duration of block which is for one week was determined and
communicated in the email. You can check the email as it's public now.
3) not being able to discuss cases clearly also bothers me too as I can't
clarify points. But these secrecy is there for a reason. We have cases of
sexual harassment in Wikimedia events, do you want us to communicate those
too? And if not, where and who supposed to draw the line between public and
non-public cases? I'm very much for more transparency but if we don't iron
things out before implementing them, it will end up as a disaster.
Sent on my phone, on a vacation.
Best
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 21:49 Chad <innocentkil...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 11:48 AM bawolff <bawolff...@gmail.com> wrote:
So MZMcBride is temporarily banned for an unspecified amount of time.
I have some concerns:
a) The fact all these are secret is a recipe for FUD and
misunderstandings. From accusations of partiality of the committee to
people being unblocked because people think its an accident, are all
natural consequences of things being secret. I think this is bound to
create a negative environment in the long term.
This.
b) What is the point of blocking him temporarily and not telling him
how long he's banned for. That's just silly.
I'm going to quote someone out of context here, but I think it establishes
the point I'd like to make:
"temporary solutions have a terrible habit of becoming permanent, around
here"
-Chad
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