You don't say if you are using 5Mhz or 10MHz channels.  I assume 10 
with 40 customers.

With the smaller bandwidth and slower speeds I think fractional 
channels limit the number of subscribers you can put on an AP. Does 
anybody have any empirical data on the number of users that can use a 
5MHz and 10MHz Ap?

I am not doing it, but think 40 is too many for a 5MHz channel, and 
has to be approaching the limit for a 10MHz channel.  Thoughts?

At 06:13 PM 10/1/2009, you wrote:
>I dunno?  Not a ton.  Maybe 40 at the most.  This segment of our network is
>very small.  We mainly focus on big businesses.
>
>On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Ryan Spott <rsp...@cspott.com> wrote:
>
> > "-- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list....." LOL! :)
> >
> > How many users per AP?
> >
> > ryan
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Jayson Baker <jay...@spectrasurf.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I'll tell you what we do, but won't get into defending it for the next
> > month
> > > -- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list.......
> > >
> > > Our 2.4GHz spectrum is completely filled with vertical Canopy.
> > >
> > > We run UBNT AP's.  Fixed at 2mi ACK.  No RTS.  Fixed G-only.  Horizontal
> > > polarity.  Max data rate of 54Mbps.  Sectors.
> > >
> > > Customers are all within 2 miles, use Loco2's.  Customers are Auto ACK.
> >  No
> > > RTS.  Fixed G-Only.  Horizontal.  Max 54Mbps.
> > >
> > > On almost every single install we get at least 12Mbps down, 6Mbps up (our
> > > rate limit).  Without limit, we usually see up to 18.
> > >
> > > Funny... those lusers on the other guys Canopy pay like $40/mo for
> > 1.5Mbps.
> > > We give 12Mbps for $24.95/mo.
> > >
> > > Don't use B.  It's DSSS.  G is OFDM.  Performs much better.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Jason Hensley <ja...@jaggartech.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> In 2.4 land, if you have a lot of noise, which protocol is better - B or
> > G?
> > >> Is it better to run an AP as locked into one mode or is it OK to do a
> > mix?
> > >>
> > >> Max I want off of 2.4 customers is 3meg so not that worried about the
> > extra
> > >> speed that G will provide, but, I would like to know which is more
> > stable?
> > >> I've always thought that B was more stable overall but just provided
> > less
> > >> bandwidth.  I've gotten some info that may counter that.  What's the
> > >> real-world experience with folks in a high-noise environment, combined
> > with
> > >> a higher useage AP?
> > >>
> > >> I've got an AP that we've run in B mode only for a while.  We've started
> > >> having problems with it - speeds go from 3meg at the customer to 200k
> > and
> > >> fluctuate constantly.  We've worked with RTS, ACK timeouts, etc etc and
> > >> nothing seems to have improved the stability.  For testing purposes we
> > put
> > >> up another AP right next to the one we're having trouble with.  Switched
> > >> two
> > >> of our gaming clients to that one (setup as G mode only) and they seem
> > to
> > >> be
> > >> doing better, but not quite as good as we feel they could be.  This is
> > on
> > >> Deliberant AP's (Duos).  The backhaul part of it is not the issue - we
> > can
> > >> pull close to 15meg back to our office when cabled into the AP.  We have
> > >> other Deliberant APs that are running MANY more clients than this one so
> > we
> > >> know it's not limitations of the equipment.  AP is on top of a water
> > tower.
> > >> Have taken all clients off and brought them back on one by one and it
> > did
> > >> not reveal anything significant.  With just one customer on the AP
> > started
> > >> acting up again.  Swapped radios in the AP thinking we could have one
> > going
> > >> bad and still no luck.
> > >>
> > >> 2.4 antennas are H-pol.  We have a ton of noise in the area, but we've
> > been
> > >> through basically every channel and it did not help either.  Other AP's
> > in
> > >> the vicinity are performing fine.  Thought of the multipath issue so we
> > >> raised our test AP up a little higher than the other one.  As I said,
> > the
> > >> test AP seems to be better, but next to it on top of the tower we can
> > get
> > >> around 8 or 9 meg down (locked into G mode), but at the CPE's we're
> > still
> > >> barely getting 2.5-2.8meg.
> > >>
> > >> Any thoughts?  We changed everything we can.  The new "test" AP has a
> > 9db
> > >> antenna compared to the 13db on the "production" AP.  Other than that,
> > they
> > >> are identical as far as equipment goes.
> > >>
> > >> So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world experience
> > with
> > >> G-only mode in the field?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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