"-- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list....." LOL! :)

How many users per AP?

ryan

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Jayson Baker <jay...@spectrasurf.com> wrote:
> I'll tell you what we do, but won't get into defending it for the next month
> -- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list.......
>
> Our 2.4GHz spectrum is completely filled with vertical Canopy.
>
> We run UBNT AP's.  Fixed at 2mi ACK.  No RTS.  Fixed G-only.  Horizontal
> polarity.  Max data rate of 54Mbps.  Sectors.
>
> Customers are all within 2 miles, use Loco2's.  Customers are Auto ACK.  No
> RTS.  Fixed G-Only.  Horizontal.  Max 54Mbps.
>
> On almost every single install we get at least 12Mbps down, 6Mbps up (our
> rate limit).  Without limit, we usually see up to 18.
>
> Funny... those lusers on the other guys Canopy pay like $40/mo for 1.5Mbps.
> We give 12Mbps for $24.95/mo.
>
> Don't use B.  It's DSSS.  G is OFDM.  Performs much better.
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Jason Hensley <ja...@jaggartech.com> wrote:
>
>> In 2.4 land, if you have a lot of noise, which protocol is better - B or G?
>> Is it better to run an AP as locked into one mode or is it OK to do a mix?
>>
>> Max I want off of 2.4 customers is 3meg so not that worried about the extra
>> speed that G will provide, but, I would like to know which is more stable?
>> I've always thought that B was more stable overall but just provided less
>> bandwidth.  I've gotten some info that may counter that.  What's the
>> real-world experience with folks in a high-noise environment, combined with
>> a higher useage AP?
>>
>> I've got an AP that we've run in B mode only for a while.  We've started
>> having problems with it - speeds go from 3meg at the customer to 200k and
>> fluctuate constantly.  We've worked with RTS, ACK timeouts, etc etc and
>> nothing seems to have improved the stability.  For testing purposes we put
>> up another AP right next to the one we're having trouble with.  Switched
>> two
>> of our gaming clients to that one (setup as G mode only) and they seem to
>> be
>> doing better, but not quite as good as we feel they could be.  This is on
>> Deliberant AP's (Duos).  The backhaul part of it is not the issue - we can
>> pull close to 15meg back to our office when cabled into the AP.  We have
>> other Deliberant APs that are running MANY more clients than this one so we
>> know it's not limitations of the equipment.  AP is on top of a water tower.
>> Have taken all clients off and brought them back on one by one and it did
>> not reveal anything significant.  With just one customer on the AP started
>> acting up again.  Swapped radios in the AP thinking we could have one going
>> bad and still no luck.
>>
>> 2.4 antennas are H-pol.  We have a ton of noise in the area, but we've been
>> through basically every channel and it did not help either.  Other AP's in
>> the vicinity are performing fine.  Thought of the multipath issue so we
>> raised our test AP up a little higher than the other one.  As I said, the
>> test AP seems to be better, but next to it on top of the tower we can get
>> around 8 or 9 meg down (locked into G mode), but at the CPE's we're still
>> barely getting 2.5-2.8meg.
>>
>> Any thoughts?  We changed everything we can.  The new "test" AP has a 9db
>> antenna compared to the 13db on the "production" AP.  Other than that, they
>> are identical as far as equipment goes.
>>
>> So, back to the subject question though, what's real-world experience with
>> G-only mode in the field?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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