On 2014-11-21 08:15, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote:
Em Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:45:47 +0000
"Carlos R. Mafra" <crma...@gmail.com> escreveu:
Accepting this proposal deviates too much from what's been established
in the past years and imposes a time cost on the maintainer (me). I'd
have to integrate with the GNU infrastructure and its way of doing
things while things are already working right now without any extra
effort from my side.
The GNU project thought it would be beneficial for both communities to
join efforts (GNU and Window Maker), as our primary wishes and
endeavor are always directed to the prospect of collaboration. Of
course, all those benefits wouldn't come without any effort or
commitment of your or our own part. We judge it's worth; unfortunately
you don't hold the same view.
We would need to change the name to GNU Window Maker, we would all
need to talk about GNU/linux, we could not say "open source" anymore
and we would need to move the code to some other development place and
move our mailing list etc etc etc.
Except from the part of moving the code repository and mailing lists,
all other topics you cited are, naturally, mandatory: this is the GNU
project, after all.
I don't have the time for this. I'm used to the current setup (which
helped to resurrect a dead Window Maker development) and I am happy
with it.
I see. However, I urge you to think beyond yourself: think about the
Window Maker and larger free software community and the benefits you
are possibly giving up just for your personal convenience's sake; your
decision may as well affect many more people besides yourself. The
GNU project has a strong stance in ethics and principles, and one of
the fundamental lessons we've learned is that no real gain comes
without some sacrifice.
Moving to the GNU system right now could help Window Maker gain some
visibility but from my point of view you could also simply use Window
Maker without requiring all this.
That's not how it works. In order to advance the cause of free
software, with the final goal of winning the battle against
proprietary software, the GNU project aims to make GNU a complete and
coherent operating system whilst promoting its philosophy and actively
defending users' freedom. Therefore, we have to make sure that all
pieces of the GNU system fit well philosophically, politically and
technically together.
I am the current maintainer, in the current 6-year-old setup. I don't
want to change under the GNU umbrella and be bounded by its philosophy
and way of doing things. I don't have time to learn all the needed
stuff and change my ways of doing things.
I'm really sorry to hear that.
I'd say that if you want to use Window Maker, then use it.
We'd rather fork it.
We appreciate your 6 years of maintenance. However, almost all of
Window Maker's code is copyrighted by Alfredo K. Kojima the original
author and GNU maintainer who developed it, originally, for the GNU
project. The Window Maker's history is strongly linked to the GNU
project, and knowledgeable people know that. Actually Window Maker's
documentation is filled with explicit references to that fact.
If the GNU project decides to maintain GNU Window Maker, do you think
our version will be considered a fork of yours, or the converse?
The GNU project is really sorry that you've declined to cooperate,
because our policy is to avoid a fork by all means. Now,
unfortunately, we have no choice.
The more I read this, the more annoyed I get. Bruno, who the hell are
you, and more to the point, who the hell do you think you are?
Where was the almighty GNU and the FSF, and all their vaunted support
back when Development stopped on Window Maker in 2005?
Seven Years before Carlos and others, put the work in, to release
0.95.1, WITHOUT GNU support, I might add.
If GNU cares so much about Window Maker, where were they for SEVEN
years?
You're acting like a spoiled child, and certainly hope you don't speak
for the GNU project with any sort of authority. You see Window Maker
development happening, and go "Oh, that was ours, and we dumped it, and
now that people are working on it, well, we want it back!"
And now for you to come in here, and scold the current developers like
children for not drinking your kool-aid? And THEN say "If the GNU
project decides to maintain GNU Window Maker, do you think our version
will be considered a fork of yours, or the converse?"
If a GNU fork of Window Maker comes into existence, where are you
thinking you're going to get the developers? You (the GNU Project)
obviously couldn't manage to find anybody to take care of it from 2005
until 2012, what makes you think you'll find somebody to maintain a fork
of it now?
And if the GNU project *does* manage to get together the developers to
maintain a fork, you can bet for damn sure, that I will make it somewhat
of a personal mission to point out that GNU (whatever you'll call your
fork) is exactly that, a fork, and not Window Maker.
Shame on you. I already had a poor impression of the GNU project in
particular, and this certainly doesn't incline me to wish to contribute
to any GNU projects in the future.
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