ED,

In my opinion:

The definition below could certainly be a definition of satori or experiencing 
Buddha Nature.  I agree with it about 90%.

The 10% where is falls a little short for me is because it first refers to 
'knowledge' and then 'free from concpetual encumberances'.  Knowledge to me 
implies concepts.

To make it a better definition I would substitute the word 'knowledge' with 
'awareness'.  Awareness does not imply concepts.

...The Kindler and Gentler Bill! 

--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> siska, jnana is a word more applicable Hinduism than Buddhism, I think. 
> --ED
> 
> Web definitions for jnana
>     * Jñāna or gñāna (Sanskrit: ) is the Sanskrit term
> for knowledge or philosophy.
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jnana
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jnana&rct=j&\
> sa=X&ei=9wrdTc2rBsjWiAK4he0W&ved=0CCwQngkwAA&q=Jnana%27s&usg=AFQjCNEIz-r\
> Im4iVSoRYaPZD8Ax3ZCN04Q>
> 
>     * jnana - knowledge, as acquired through meditation, that one's self
> (atman) is identical with Ultimate Reality Brahman; pure awareness that
> is free of conceptual encumbrances
> en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jnana
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jnana&rct=j\
> &sa=X&ei=9wrdTc2rBsjWiAK4he0W&ved=0CC4QngkwAA&q=Jnana%27s&usg=AFQjCNEFEe\
> CXiBitmmFYwoDLY-Zxe4Zr2Q>
> 
>     * jnana - Wisdom; higher intellect.
> www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/history/glossary_fk.htm
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/histo\
> ry/glossary_fk.htm&rct=j&sa=X&ei=9wrdTc2rBsjWiAK4he0W&ved=0CDAQngkwAA&q=\
> Jnana%27s&usg=AFQjCNFCYveb855blxxFY7Ey5AYuhXUdHw>
> 
>     * jnana - derived from the Sanskrit root jna, to know, to learn, to
> experience. In the context of Bhagavad-gita and the Upanisads, jnana is
> generally used in the sense of spiritual knowledge or awareness.
> www.sanskrit.org/www/Sanskrit/sanskritterms.htm
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.sanskrit.org/www/Sanskrit/sans\
> kritterms.htm&rct=j&sa=X&ei=9wrdTc2rBsjWiAK4he0W&ved=0CDIQngkwAA&q=Jnana\
> %27s&usg=AFQjCNEJvyq5JbMRcCPwS2QTzy_Ym_Xhng>
> 
>     * jnana - (Monism - Voidism - or atheism). Jnana is a branch of
> Hinduism that is opposite of Hinduism in that, though based on the same
> books, interprets God as being "0" or the anti-god, God NOT
> being a person, while the anti-god is a Void. This Voidism is composed
> entirely of nothing. ...
> uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hinduism
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hindui\
> sm&rct=j&sa=X&ei=9wrdTc2rBsjWiAK4he0W&ved=0CDQQngkwAA&q=Jnana%27s&usg=AF\
> QjCNFFNWLSNQHHgLAMMJsuGokhbhBmDA>
> 
>     * jnana - knowledge; wisdom; knowledge of the Attributeless.
> vahini.org/sss/iv/glossary.html
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://vahini.org/sss/iv/glossary.html&rc\
> t=j&sa=X&ei=9wrdTc2rBsjWiAK4he0W&ved=0CDYQngkwAA&q=Jnana%27s&usg=AFQjCNE\
> rYDR4VTeUdEI_2cN56n2y6-X3YA>
> 
>     * jnana - Knowledge; sacred knowledge, especially derived from
> meditation.Saturn and Ketu lead to the realization of spiritual truths
> and understanding of deeper cosmic laws.
> www.findyourfate.com/faq/j-glossary.htm
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.findyourfate.com/faq/j-glossar\
> y.htm&rct=j&sa=X&ei=9wrdTc2rBsjWiAK4he0W&ved=0CDgQngkwAA&q=Jnana%27s&usg\
> =AFQjCNEDGqzmzlTSQW8lJoW_aPdVDyteBQ>
> 
>     * jnana - "Wisdom". Refers to the path of yoga in which the
> individual practices the patient, systematic exploration and
> disciplining of the mind and emotions.
> www.yogaquest.com.au/glossary-of-terms.html
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.yogaquest.com.au/glossary-of-t\
> erms.html&rct=j&sa=X&ei=9wrdTc2rBsjWiAK4he0W&ved=0CDoQngkwAA&q=Jnana%27s\
> &usg=AFQjCNGjkM2NSFrv-XQBiUthKqOHrf7mXA>
> 
> 
> Web definitions for jhana
>     * Jhāna (Pāli: झन; Sanskrit: ध्यान
> Dhyāna) is a meditative state of profound stillness and
> concentration. It is sometimes taught as an abiding in which the mind
> becomes fully immersed and absorbed in the chosen object of
> attention,characterized by non-dual consciousness. ...
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jhāna
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jh%25C4%2581\
> na&rct=j&sa=X&ei=uQ3dTcvpJoPKiALpxYgE&ved=0CCoQngkwAA&q=Jhana&usg=AFQjCN\
> Gaa9jJXW5-BEvC_bU7WqGkIcjmfQ>
> 
>     * (Dhyana) Also Ch'an (Chinese) and Zen (Japanese). Advanced
> meditation. The fifth of the Six Paramitas.
> www.thebuddhistsociety.org/resources/Glossary.html
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.thebuddhistsociety.org/resourc\
> es/Glossary.html&rct=j&sa=X&ei=uQ3dTcvpJoPKiALpxYgE&ved=0CCwQngkwAA&q=Jh\
> ana&usg=AFQjCNELhxw8LueW1dDyhF2iJSxQVQQPxw>
> 
>     * (Pali. Lit: absorption) A state of mental unification where
> consciousness is absorbed in a specific object, arising through the
> cultivation of samatha.
> www.gaiahouse.co.uk/page.php
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.gaiahouse.co.uk/page.php%3Fid%\
> 3D150&rct=j&sa=X&ei=uQ3dTcvpJoPKiALpxYgE&ved=0CC4QngkwAA&q=Jhana&usg=AFQ\
> jCNH46Ukw57m4zJ8bFzZM8TJ3WMwkVg>
> 
>     * Meditative absorptions. Tranquillity meditation.
> www.vipassana.com/meditation/khema/hereandnow/glossary.ph…
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.vipassana.com/meditation/khema\
> /hereandnow/glossary.php&rct=j&sa=X&ei=uQ3dTcvpJoPKiALpxYgE&ved=0CDAQngk\
> wAA&q=Jhana&usg=AFQjCNFs5Jj__6kIy1e2SUycQXspa3r_HA>
> 
>     * 4 stages of meditative states on the way to enlightenment see 4
> Jhanas
> www.angelfire.com/rings/novice-buddest/Glossery.htm
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.angelfire.com/rings/novice-bud\
> dest/Glossery.htm&rct=j&sa=X&ei=uQ3dTcvpJoPKiALpxYgE&ved=0CDIQngkwAA&q=J\
> hana&usg=AFQjCNGSS7xredv9DWpkPbGqGsvZenRFNQ>
> 
>     * (from the Pali, Sanskrit, 'meditation', 'absorption'). In
> traditional Buddhism, the scheme of meditational practice which leads to
> *samadhi; the different stages within that scheme; any kind of mental
> concentration or effort. Consult the ODWR for the full entry.
> www.bloomington.in.us/~okolicko/definitions-2.html
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.bloomington.in.us/~okolicko/de\
> finitions-2.html&rct=j&sa=X&ei=uQ3dTcvpJoPKiALpxYgE&ved=0CDQQngkwAA&q=Jh\
> ana&usg=AFQjCNFPuYQO0zIuTuG9MdiN8uPA9IANTw>
> 
>     * Meditative absorption. A state of strong concentration, devoid of
> sensuality or unskillful thoughts, focused on a single physical
> sensation or mental notion which is then expanded to fill the whole
> range of one's awareness. ...
> homepages.hawaiian.net/dsparks/dhp_Folder/glossary.html
> <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://homepages.hawaiian.net/dsparks/dhp\
> _Folder/glossary.html&rct=j&sa=X&ei=uQ3dTcvpJoPKiALpxYgE&ved=0CDYQngkwAA\
> &q=Jhana&usg=AFQjCNEZzS0yKB3xTTQ-d-tWddFO0WonTA>
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi again Ed,
> >
> > Btw, have you ever read anything on the Theravada nana (insight)? What
> do you think, is it the same with kensho-satori?
> >
> > Siska
>




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