Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jesus Camacho Rodriguez]

Thanks, Carl. Thanks also to all others that have chimed in expressing
their support, asking questions, and providing feedback. I'll be starting
the vote shortly.

-Jesús

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 7:32 PM Carl Steinbach 
wrote:

> Please go ahead with the vote.
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 6:13 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> jcama...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Carl,
> >
> > Your last message did not provide many details and we have not heard back
> > from you after a day; I'd appreciate any updates or insights into
> > your thought process that you could share.
> >
> > As JB mentioned, I see no reason to delay the vote to move into
> incubation.
> > Community growth is one of the main goals during incubation and I think
> it
> > is important to keep things progressing at this stage. (In addition, as
> > mentioned earlier in the thread, we have conducted a lot of outreach, I'd
> > say over and above what a typical project entering the ASF incubator
> would
> > do, which is also reflected in the initial list of committers.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jesús
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 10:00 AM Ashvin A  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > +1 to JB's points. Thanks Jesus for steering this discussion.
> > > I wholeheartedly support XTable. The potential of this initiative is
> > > immense, especially considering feedback from storage formats users and
> > the
> > > benchmark we've been developing.
> > > I'm eagerly looking forward to collaborating with all who have
> committed
> > to
> > > this project, as well as those in the pipeline and keeping an eye on
> our
> > > progress.
> > > I appreciate everyone's support and valuable feedback.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Ashvin
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:24 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I think that's also the purpose of the incubation to grow the
> > > > community, both users community but also dev communities.
> > > > So, I don't see a blocker for incubation but more for graduation.
> > > >
> > > > I would start with the initial committer list with the target to grow
> > > > during incubation, including people from other projects (Iceberg,
> > > > Hudi, Paimon, ...).
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 5:06 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl, thanks for chiming in.
> > > > >
> > > > > Certainly, let me address that part.
> > > > >
> > > > > Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project
> > originated
> > > > > from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi),
> > > it's
> > > > > important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an
> > initial
> > > > > list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies
> > invested
> > > in
> > > > > different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers),
> Microsoft
> > > > (2),
> > > > > Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I
> > > > believe
> > > > > this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an
> > > > > outsized influence from a single group in the community.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation
> > > > > proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion
> > and
> > > > > contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most
> > > > popular
> > > > > OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four
> > > > > categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive
> > reception,
> > > > > interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging
> > once/if
> > > > the
> > > > > project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which
> we
> > > > > encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current
> > > communication
> > > > > platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4)
> > > > Disagreement,
> > > > > we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to
> acknowledge
> > > the
> > > > > diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on
> XTable
> > /
> > > > > opinions on XTable's viability vary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is
> > > > > genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the
> project
> > > and
> > > > > they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the
> > > prompt
> > > > > response to the project's name change when concerns were raised.
> The
> > > goal
> > > > > is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive
> > > > community.
> > > > > In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is
> no
> > > > lack
> > > > > of diversity, and including other committers from table format
> > > > communities
> > > > > does not address the remaining concern about the project, which
> stems
> > > > from
> > > > > the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of
> the
> > > > table
> > > > > format projects, 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Carl Steinbach]

Please go ahead with the vote.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 6:13 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez 
wrote:

> Hi Carl,
>
> Your last message did not provide many details and we have not heard back
> from you after a day; I'd appreciate any updates or insights into
> your thought process that you could share.
>
> As JB mentioned, I see no reason to delay the vote to move into incubation.
> Community growth is one of the main goals during incubation and I think it
> is important to keep things progressing at this stage. (In addition, as
> mentioned earlier in the thread, we have conducted a lot of outreach, I'd
> say over and above what a typical project entering the ASF incubator would
> do, which is also reflected in the initial list of committers.)
>
> Thanks,
> Jesús
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 10:00 AM Ashvin A  wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > +1 to JB's points. Thanks Jesus for steering this discussion.
> > I wholeheartedly support XTable. The potential of this initiative is
> > immense, especially considering feedback from storage formats users and
> the
> > benchmark we've been developing.
> > I'm eagerly looking forward to collaborating with all who have committed
> to
> > this project, as well as those in the pipeline and keeping an eye on our
> > progress.
> > I appreciate everyone's support and valuable feedback.
> >
> > Best,
> > Ashvin
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:24 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I think that's also the purpose of the incubation to grow the
> > > community, both users community but also dev communities.
> > > So, I don't see a blocker for incubation but more for graduation.
> > >
> > > I would start with the initial committer list with the target to grow
> > > during incubation, including people from other projects (Iceberg,
> > > Hudi, Paimon, ...).
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 5:06 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Carl, thanks for chiming in.
> > > >
> > > > Certainly, let me address that part.
> > > >
> > > > Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project
> originated
> > > > from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi),
> > it's
> > > > important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an
> initial
> > > > list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies
> invested
> > in
> > > > different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft
> > > (2),
> > > > Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I
> > > believe
> > > > this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an
> > > > outsized influence from a single group in the community.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation
> > > > proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion
> and
> > > > contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most
> > > popular
> > > > OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four
> > > > categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive
> reception,
> > > > interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging
> once/if
> > > the
> > > > project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we
> > > > encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current
> > communication
> > > > platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4)
> > > Disagreement,
> > > > we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge
> > the
> > > > diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable
> /
> > > > opinions on XTable's viability vary.
> > > >
> > > > Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is
> > > > genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project
> > and
> > > > they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the
> > prompt
> > > > response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The
> > goal
> > > > is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive
> > > community.
> > > > In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no
> > > lack
> > > > of diversity, and including other committers from table format
> > > communities
> > > > does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems
> > > from
> > > > the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the
> > > table
> > > > format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi.
> > > > Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing
> XTable
> > as
> > > > an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That
> > > will
> > > > naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute,
> become
> > > > committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very
> early
> > > > stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles
> and
> > > > building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jesus Camacho Rodriguez]

Hi Carl,

Your last message did not provide many details and we have not heard back
from you after a day; I'd appreciate any updates or insights into
your thought process that you could share.

As JB mentioned, I see no reason to delay the vote to move into incubation.
Community growth is one of the main goals during incubation and I think it
is important to keep things progressing at this stage. (In addition, as
mentioned earlier in the thread, we have conducted a lot of outreach, I'd
say over and above what a typical project entering the ASF incubator would
do, which is also reflected in the initial list of committers.)

Thanks,
Jesús

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 10:00 AM Ashvin A  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> +1 to JB's points. Thanks Jesus for steering this discussion.
> I wholeheartedly support XTable. The potential of this initiative is
> immense, especially considering feedback from storage formats users and the
> benchmark we've been developing.
> I'm eagerly looking forward to collaborating with all who have committed to
> this project, as well as those in the pipeline and keeping an eye on our
> progress.
> I appreciate everyone's support and valuable feedback.
>
> Best,
> Ashvin
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:24 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think that's also the purpose of the incubation to grow the
> > community, both users community but also dev communities.
> > So, I don't see a blocker for incubation but more for graduation.
> >
> > I would start with the initial committer list with the target to grow
> > during incubation, including people from other projects (Iceberg,
> > Hudi, Paimon, ...).
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 5:06 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Carl, thanks for chiming in.
> > >
> > > Certainly, let me address that part.
> > >
> > > Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated
> > > from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi),
> it's
> > > important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial
> > > list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested
> in
> > > different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft
> > (2),
> > > Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I
> > believe
> > > this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an
> > > outsized influence from a single group in the community.
> > >
> > > Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation
> > > proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and
> > > contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most
> > popular
> > > OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four
> > > categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception,
> > > interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if
> > the
> > > project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we
> > > encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current
> communication
> > > platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4)
> > Disagreement,
> > > we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge
> the
> > > diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable /
> > > opinions on XTable's viability vary.
> > >
> > > Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is
> > > genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project
> and
> > > they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the
> prompt
> > > response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The
> goal
> > > is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive
> > community.
> > > In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no
> > lack
> > > of diversity, and including other committers from table format
> > communities
> > > does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems
> > from
> > > the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the
> > table
> > > format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi.
> > > Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable
> as
> > > an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That
> > will
> > > naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become
> > > committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early
> > > stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and
> > > building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to
> > mitigate
> > > the remaining concern.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jesús
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Apache Paimon (incubating):
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7
> > > [2] Apache Iceberg:
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z
> > > [3] Apache Hudi:
> > > 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Ashvin A]

Hi All,

+1 to JB's points. Thanks Jesus for steering this discussion.
I wholeheartedly support XTable. The potential of this initiative is
immense, especially considering feedback from storage formats users and the
benchmark we've been developing.
I'm eagerly looking forward to collaborating with all who have committed to
this project, as well as those in the pipeline and keeping an eye on our
progress.
I appreciate everyone's support and valuable feedback.

Best,
Ashvin

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:24 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think that's also the purpose of the incubation to grow the
> community, both users community but also dev communities.
> So, I don't see a blocker for incubation but more for graduation.
>
> I would start with the initial committer list with the target to grow
> during incubation, including people from other projects (Iceberg,
> Hudi, Paimon, ...).
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 5:06 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
>  wrote:
> >
> > Carl, thanks for chiming in.
> >
> > Certainly, let me address that part.
> >
> > Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated
> > from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi), it's
> > important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial
> > list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested in
> > different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft
> (2),
> > Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I
> believe
> > this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an
> > outsized influence from a single group in the community.
> >
> > Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation
> > proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and
> > contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most
> popular
> > OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four
> > categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception,
> > interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if
> the
> > project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we
> > encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current communication
> > platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4)
> Disagreement,
> > we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge the
> > diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable /
> > opinions on XTable's viability vary.
> >
> > Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is
> > genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project and
> > they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the prompt
> > response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The goal
> > is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive
> community.
> > In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no
> lack
> > of diversity, and including other committers from table format
> communities
> > does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems
> from
> > the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the
> table
> > format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi.
> > Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable as
> > an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That
> will
> > naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become
> > committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early
> > stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and
> > building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to
> mitigate
> > the remaining concern.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jesús
> >
> >
> > [1] Apache Paimon (incubating):
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7
> > [2] Apache Iceberg:
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z
> > [3] Apache Hudi:
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/3415j1lyp8nkgdv8sk378y8hvvmrt248
> > [4] Delta Lake: https://groups.google.com/g/delta-users/c/8btY3qHydwE
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:04 PM Carl Steinbach 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jesús,
> > >
> > > This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the
> incubator.
> > >
> > > It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could
> you
> > > also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to
> broaden
> > > the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and
> Delta
> > > communities?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > - Carl
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> > > jcama...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's
> great to
> > > > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different
> people.
> > > >
> > > > 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jean-Baptiste Onofré]

Hi,

I think that's also the purpose of the incubation to grow the
community, both users community but also dev communities.
So, I don't see a blocker for incubation but more for graduation.

I would start with the initial committer list with the target to grow
during incubation, including people from other projects (Iceberg,
Hudi, Paimon, ...).

Regards
JB

On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 5:06 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
 wrote:
>
> Carl, thanks for chiming in.
>
> Certainly, let me address that part.
>
> Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated
> from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi), it's
> important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial
> list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested in
> different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft (2),
> Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I believe
> this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an
> outsized influence from a single group in the community.
>
> Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation
> proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and
> contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most popular
> OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four
> categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception,
> interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if the
> project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we
> encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current communication
> platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4) Disagreement,
> we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge the
> diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable /
> opinions on XTable's viability vary.
>
> Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is
> genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project and
> they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the prompt
> response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The goal
> is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive community.
> In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no lack
> of diversity, and including other committers from table format communities
> does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems from
> the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the table
> format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi.
> Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable as
> an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That will
> naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become
> committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early
> stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and
> building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to mitigate
> the remaining concern.
>
> Thanks,
> Jesús
>
>
> [1] Apache Paimon (incubating):
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7
> [2] Apache Iceberg:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z
> [3] Apache Hudi:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/3415j1lyp8nkgdv8sk378y8hvvmrt248
> [4] Delta Lake: https://groups.google.com/g/delta-users/c/8btY3qHydwE
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:04 PM Carl Steinbach 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jesús,
> >
> > This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the incubator.
> >
> > It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could you
> > also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to broaden
> > the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and Delta
> > communities?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > - Carl
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> > jcama...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to
> > > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people.
> > >
> > > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are
> > working
> > > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with any
> > > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing some
> > > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during
> > > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share it
> > > in this thread.
> > >
> > > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're
> > > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
> > > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before
> > pushing
> > > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the
> > ASF
> > > repository first 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Carl Steinbach]

Hi Jesus,

Please wait one more day to start the vote.

Thanks.

- Carl

On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:59 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez 
wrote:

> Carl and others, thanks for the feedback. If you have any remaining
> questions or concerns, please let me know. I just want to make sure they
> are all addressed before we start the vote thread --- planning to begin
> later today if possible.
>
> -Jesús
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 8:06 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> jcama...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Carl, thanks for chiming in.
> >
> > Certainly, let me address that part.
> >
> > Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated
> > from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi), it's
> > important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial
> > list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested in
> > different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft
> (2),
> > Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I
> believe
> > this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an
> > outsized influence from a single group in the community.
> >
> > Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation
> > proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and
> > contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most
> popular
> > OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four
> > categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception,
> > interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if
> the
> > project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we
> > encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current communication
> > platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4)
> Disagreement,
> > we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge the
> > diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable /
> > opinions on XTable's viability vary.
> >
> > Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is
> > genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project and
> > they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the prompt
> > response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The goal
> > is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive
> community.
> > In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no
> lack
> > of diversity, and including other committers from table format
> communities
> > does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems
> from
> > the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the
> table
> > format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi.
> > Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable as
> > an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That
> will
> > naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become
> > committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early
> > stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and
> > building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to
> mitigate
> > the remaining concern.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jesús
> >
> >
> > [1] Apache Paimon (incubating):
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7
> > [2] Apache Iceberg:
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z
> > [3] Apache Hudi:
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/3415j1lyp8nkgdv8sk378y8hvvmrt248
> > [4] Delta Lake: https://groups.google.com/g/delta-users/c/8btY3qHydwE
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:04 PM Carl Steinbach 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jesús,
> >>
> >> This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the
> incubator.
> >>
> >> It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could
> you
> >> also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to
> broaden
> >> the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and
> Delta
> >> communities?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> - Carl
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> >> jcama...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great
> to
> >> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different
> people.
> >> >
> >> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are
> >> working
> >> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with
> >> any
> >> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing
> >> some
> >> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during
> >> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share
> >> it
> >> > in this thread.
> >> >
> >> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jesus Camacho Rodriguez]

Carl and others, thanks for the feedback. If you have any remaining
questions or concerns, please let me know. I just want to make sure they
are all addressed before we start the vote thread --- planning to begin
later today if possible.

-Jesús

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 8:06 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez 
wrote:

> Carl, thanks for chiming in.
>
> Certainly, let me address that part.
>
> Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated
> from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi), it's
> important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial
> list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested in
> different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft (2),
> Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I believe
> this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an
> outsized influence from a single group in the community.
>
> Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation
> proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and
> contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most popular
> OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four
> categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception,
> interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if the
> project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we
> encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current communication
> platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4) Disagreement,
> we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge the
> diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable /
> opinions on XTable's viability vary.
>
> Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is
> genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project and
> they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the prompt
> response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The goal
> is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive community.
> In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no lack
> of diversity, and including other committers from table format communities
> does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems from
> the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the table
> format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi.
> Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable as
> an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That will
> naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become
> committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early
> stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and
> building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to mitigate
> the remaining concern.
>
> Thanks,
> Jesús
>
>
> [1] Apache Paimon (incubating):
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7
> [2] Apache Iceberg:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z
> [3] Apache Hudi:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/3415j1lyp8nkgdv8sk378y8hvvmrt248
> [4] Delta Lake: https://groups.google.com/g/delta-users/c/8btY3qHydwE
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:04 PM Carl Steinbach 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jesús,
>>
>> This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the incubator.
>>
>> It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could you
>> also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to broaden
>> the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and Delta
>> communities?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - Carl
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
>> jcama...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to
>> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people.
>> >
>> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are
>> working
>> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with
>> any
>> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing
>> some
>> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during
>> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share
>> it
>> > in this thread.
>> >
>> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're
>> > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
>> > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before
>> pushing
>> > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the
>> ASF
>> > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights or
>> > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on
>> previous
>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jesus Camacho Rodriguez]

Carl, thanks for chiming in.

Certainly, let me address that part.

Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated
from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi), it's
important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial
list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested in
different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft (2),
Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I believe
this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an
outsized influence from a single group in the community.

Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation
proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and
contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most popular
OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four
categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception,
interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if the
project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we
encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current communication
platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4) Disagreement,
we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge the
diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable /
opinions on XTable's viability vary.

Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is
genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project and
they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the prompt
response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The goal
is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive community.
In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no lack
of diversity, and including other committers from table format communities
does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems from
the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the table
format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi.
Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable as
an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That will
naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become
committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early
stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and
building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to mitigate
the remaining concern.

Thanks,
Jesús


[1] Apache Paimon (incubating):
https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7
[2] Apache Iceberg:
https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z
[3] Apache Hudi:
https://lists.apache.org/thread/3415j1lyp8nkgdv8sk378y8hvvmrt248
[4] Delta Lake: https://groups.google.com/g/delta-users/c/8btY3qHydwE


On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:04 PM Carl Steinbach 
wrote:

> Hi Jesús,
>
> This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the incubator.
>
> It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could you
> also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to broaden
> the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and Delta
> communities?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Carl
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> jcama...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to
> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people.
> >
> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are
> working
> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with any
> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing some
> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during
> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share it
> > in this thread.
> >
> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're
> > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
> > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before
> pushing
> > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the
> ASF
> > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights or
> > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on previous
> > instances would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jesús
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> jbono...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
> > >
> > > The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache
> > > projects.
> > > Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project :)
> > >
> > > Thanks !
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jacques Nadeau]

I appreciate the name update. That addresses my concern there. Thanks for
the quick update!

If only all namings I've been involved in were that quick :)

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 11:49 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez 
wrote:

> The package would be xtable.
> As for the pronunciation, I was pronouncing it as "eks table"... But it's
> not something that has been discussed, I assume we are leaving it to the
> interpretation of the reader for the time being :)
>
> -Jesús
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 10:54 AM Julian Hyde 
> wrote:
>
> > Pronounced “eks table” I presume, and not “cross table” or “times table”?
> > The Java package prefix would be org.apache.xtable, not x_table.
> >
> > (It’s good to check. I’m still traumatized whenever I have to say
> > “PostgreSQL” out loud.)
> >
> > Julian
> >
> > > On Dec 13, 2023, at 7:13 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jesus
> > >
> > > Yes, we first have to trigger the vote to accept XTable into the
> > > incubator. As soon as the vote pass (hopefully), we have to trigger
> > > the name search.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:06 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks JB. Based on the guidelines described here [1], I was going to
> > run
> > >> the name search process for XTable after the project is accepted for
> > >> incubation, but before we start to request resources.
> > >>
> > >> -Jesús
> > >>
> > >> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html#startsearch
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 2:02 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré  >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Thanks Jesus
> > >>>
> > >>> XTable sounds good but we need a name search anyway to be sure it's
> > >>> suitable.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards
> > >>> JB
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> > >>>  wrote:
> > 
> >  I've updated the proposal with the new name: XTable. You can review
> it
> >  here:
> > >>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/XTable+Proposal
> >  (please also see _Project Name_ subsection)
> > 
> >  We hope this change addresses the concern that was raised during
> this
> >  discussion, helping to convey a message of neutrality to anyone
> > >>> interested
> >  in contributing to the project.
> > 
> >  We look forward to hearing from you soon. If there are no further
> > >>> concerns,
> >  we would love to move forward with the VOTE as soon as possible.
> > 
> >  -Jesús
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:09 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> >  jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > Thanks Julian. I was mainly considering the code, but, as you
> > >>> mentioned,
> > > it's probably not the primary concern. The current proposal aligns
> > with
> > > your feedback: The project will go through the vote (and hopefully
> be
> > > accepted into the incubator) using the new name, so all the infra
> and
> > > project setup can be done (hopefully) only once.
> > >
> > > -Jesús
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:29 PM Julian Hyde <
> jhyde.apa...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Much easier to change the name before incubation. It’s not so much
> > >>> code
> > >> as all the infrastructure (mailing lists, git repos, web servers,
> > svn
> > >> files, …) that goes along with a podling. It’s a lot of work for
> > >>> INFRA and
> > >> for the PPMC/champion.
> > >>
> > >> Also, branding. Calcite entered incubation as ‘Optiq’ and then
> > >>> renamed,
> > >> but not before it had appeared in a few conference talks; people
> are
> > >>> still
> > >> asking me ‘What happened to Optiq?'
> > >>
> > >> Julian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> > >> jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's
> > >>> great to
> > >>> see that the project's mission resonates with so many different
> > >>> people.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We
> are
> > >> working
> > >>> on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion
> > >>> with
> > >> any
> > >>> specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are
> > doing
> > >> some
> > >>> due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again
> > >>> during
> > >>> incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and
> > >>> share
> > >> it
> > >>> in this thread.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it,
> > >>> we're
> > >>> looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
> > >>> considering whether it's better to change the project's name
> before
> > >> pushing
> > >>> the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Carl Steinbach]

Hi Jesús,

This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the incubator.

It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could you
also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to broaden
the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and Delta
communities?

Thanks.

- Carl

On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez 
wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to
> see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people.
>
> Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are working
> on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with any
> specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing some
> due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during
> incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share it
> in this thread.
>
> Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're
> looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
> considering whether it's better to change the project's name before pushing
> the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the ASF
> repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights or
> guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on previous
> instances would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Jesús
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> wrote:
>
> > Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
> >
> > The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache
> > projects.
> > Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project :)
> >
> > Thanks !
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
> > >
> > > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> > >
> > > Here is the proposal -
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> > >
> > > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
> > project through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org],
> > Stamatis Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> > jbono...@apache.org].
> > >
> > > We are looking forward to your feedback!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jesús
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jesus Camacho Rodriguez]

The package would be xtable.
As for the pronunciation, I was pronouncing it as "eks table"... But it's
not something that has been discussed, I assume we are leaving it to the
interpretation of the reader for the time being :)

-Jesús


On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 10:54 AM Julian Hyde  wrote:

> Pronounced “eks table” I presume, and not “cross table” or “times table”?
> The Java package prefix would be org.apache.xtable, not x_table.
>
> (It’s good to check. I’m still traumatized whenever I have to say
> “PostgreSQL” out loud.)
>
> Julian
>
> > On Dec 13, 2023, at 7:13 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jesus
> >
> > Yes, we first have to trigger the vote to accept XTable into the
> > incubator. As soon as the vote pass (hopefully), we have to trigger
> > the name search.
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:06 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks JB. Based on the guidelines described here [1], I was going to
> run
> >> the name search process for XTable after the project is accepted for
> >> incubation, but before we start to request resources.
> >>
> >> -Jesús
> >>
> >> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html#startsearch
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 2:02 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Jesus
> >>>
> >>> XTable sounds good but we need a name search anyway to be sure it's
> >>> suitable.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> JB
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I've updated the proposal with the new name: XTable. You can review it
>  here:
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/XTable+Proposal
>  (please also see _Project Name_ subsection)
> 
>  We hope this change addresses the concern that was raised during this
>  discussion, helping to convey a message of neutrality to anyone
> >>> interested
>  in contributing to the project.
> 
>  We look forward to hearing from you soon. If there are no further
> >>> concerns,
>  we would love to move forward with the VOTE as soon as possible.
> 
>  -Jesús
> 
> 
> 
>  On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:09 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
>  jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Julian. I was mainly considering the code, but, as you
> >>> mentioned,
> > it's probably not the primary concern. The current proposal aligns
> with
> > your feedback: The project will go through the vote (and hopefully be
> > accepted into the incubator) using the new name, so all the infra and
> > project setup can be done (hopefully) only once.
> >
> > -Jesús
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:29 PM Julian Hyde 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Much easier to change the name before incubation. It’s not so much
> >>> code
> >> as all the infrastructure (mailing lists, git repos, web servers,
> svn
> >> files, …) that goes along with a podling. It’s a lot of work for
> >>> INFRA and
> >> for the PPMC/champion.
> >>
> >> Also, branding. Calcite entered incubation as ‘Optiq’ and then
> >>> renamed,
> >> but not before it had appeared in a few conference talks; people are
> >>> still
> >> asking me ‘What happened to Optiq?'
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> >> jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's
> >>> great to
> >>> see that the project's mission resonates with so many different
> >>> people.
> >>>
> >>> Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are
> >> working
> >>> on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion
> >>> with
> >> any
> >>> specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are
> doing
> >> some
> >>> due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again
> >>> during
> >>> incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and
> >>> share
> >> it
> >>> in this thread.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it,
> >>> we're
> >>> looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
> >>> considering whether it's better to change the project's name before
> >> pushing
> >>> the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to
> >>> the
> >> ASF
> >>> repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any
> >>> insights or
> >>> guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on
> >> previous
> >>> instances would be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jesús
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> >> jbono...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
> 
>  The purpose is 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Julian Hyde]

Pronounced “eks table” I presume, and not “cross table” or “times table”? The 
Java package prefix would be org.apache.xtable, not x_table.

(It’s good to check. I’m still traumatized whenever I have to say “PostgreSQL” 
out loud.)

Julian

> On Dec 13, 2023, at 7:13 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jesus
> 
> Yes, we first have to trigger the vote to accept XTable into the
> incubator. As soon as the vote pass (hopefully), we have to trigger
> the name search.
> 
> Regards
> JB
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:06 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks JB. Based on the guidelines described here [1], I was going to run
>> the name search process for XTable after the project is accepted for
>> incubation, but before we start to request resources.
>> 
>> -Jesús
>> 
>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html#startsearch
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 2:02 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Jesus
>>> 
>>> XTable sounds good but we need a name search anyway to be sure it's
>>> suitable.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
>>>  wrote:
 
 I've updated the proposal with the new name: XTable. You can review it
 here:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/XTable+Proposal
 (please also see _Project Name_ subsection)
 
 We hope this change addresses the concern that was raised during this
 discussion, helping to convey a message of neutrality to anyone
>>> interested
 in contributing to the project.
 
 We look forward to hearing from you soon. If there are no further
>>> concerns,
 we would love to move forward with the VOTE as soon as possible.
 
 -Jesús
 
 
 
 On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:09 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
 jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
 
> Thanks Julian. I was mainly considering the code, but, as you
>>> mentioned,
> it's probably not the primary concern. The current proposal aligns with
> your feedback: The project will go through the vote (and hopefully be
> accepted into the incubator) using the new name, so all the infra and
> project setup can be done (hopefully) only once.
> 
> -Jesús
> 
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:29 PM Julian Hyde 
> wrote:
> 
>> Much easier to change the name before incubation. It’s not so much
>>> code
>> as all the infrastructure (mailing lists, git repos, web servers, svn
>> files, …) that goes along with a podling. It’s a lot of work for
>>> INFRA and
>> for the PPMC/champion.
>> 
>> Also, branding. Calcite entered incubation as ‘Optiq’ and then
>>> renamed,
>> but not before it had appeared in a few conference talks; people are
>>> still
>> asking me ‘What happened to Optiq?'
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
>> jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's
>>> great to
>>> see that the project's mission resonates with so many different
>>> people.
>>> 
>>> Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are
>> working
>>> on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion
>>> with
>> any
>>> specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing
>> some
>>> due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again
>>> during
>>> incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and
>>> share
>> it
>>> in this thread.
>>> 
>>> Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it,
>>> we're
>>> looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
>>> considering whether it's better to change the project's name before
>> pushing
>>> the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to
>>> the
>> ASF
>>> repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any
>>> insights or
>>> guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on
>> previous
>>> instances would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jesús
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>> jbono...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
 
 The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache
 projects.
 Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the
>>> project :)
 
 Thanks !
 Regards
 JB
 
 On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator -
>>> OneTable.
> 
> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats
>>> that
 facilitates 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jean-Baptiste Onofré]

Hi Jesus

Yes, we first have to trigger the vote to accept XTable into the
incubator. As soon as the vote pass (hopefully), we have to trigger
the name search.

Regards
JB

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:06 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
 wrote:
>
> Thanks JB. Based on the guidelines described here [1], I was going to run
> the name search process for XTable after the project is accepted for
> incubation, but before we start to request resources.
>
> -Jesús
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html#startsearch
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 2:02 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Jesus
> >
> > XTable sounds good but we need a name search anyway to be sure it's
> > suitable.
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I've updated the proposal with the new name: XTable. You can review it
> > > here:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/XTable+Proposal
> > > (please also see _Project Name_ subsection)
> > >
> > > We hope this change addresses the concern that was raised during this
> > > discussion, helping to convey a message of neutrality to anyone
> > interested
> > > in contributing to the project.
> > >
> > > We look forward to hearing from you soon. If there are no further
> > concerns,
> > > we would love to move forward with the VOTE as soon as possible.
> > >
> > > -Jesús
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:09 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> > > jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Julian. I was mainly considering the code, but, as you
> > mentioned,
> > > > it's probably not the primary concern. The current proposal aligns with
> > > > your feedback: The project will go through the vote (and hopefully be
> > > > accepted into the incubator) using the new name, so all the infra and
> > > > project setup can be done (hopefully) only once.
> > > >
> > > > -Jesús
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:29 PM Julian Hyde 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Much easier to change the name before incubation. It’s not so much
> > code
> > > >> as all the infrastructure (mailing lists, git repos, web servers, svn
> > > >> files, …) that goes along with a podling. It’s a lot of work for
> > INFRA and
> > > >> for the PPMC/champion.
> > > >>
> > > >> Also, branding. Calcite entered incubation as ‘Optiq’ and then
> > renamed,
> > > >> but not before it had appeared in a few conference talks; people are
> > still
> > > >> asking me ‘What happened to Optiq?'
> > > >>
> > > >> Julian
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> > > >> jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's
> > great to
> > > >> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different
> > people.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are
> > > >> working
> > > >> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion
> > with
> > > >> any
> > > >> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing
> > > >> some
> > > >> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again
> > during
> > > >> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and
> > share
> > > >> it
> > > >> > in this thread.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it,
> > we're
> > > >> > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
> > > >> > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before
> > > >> pushing
> > > >> > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to
> > the
> > > >> ASF
> > > >> > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any
> > insights or
> > > >> > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on
> > > >> previous
> > > >> > instances would be appreciated.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > Jesús
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > > >> jbono...@apache.org>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache
> > > >> >> projects.
> > > >> >> Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the
> > project :)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks !
> > > >> >> Regards
> > > >> >> JB
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> > > >> >>  wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Hi All,
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator -
> > OneTable.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats
> > that
> > > >> >> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and
> > query
> > > >> >> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source
> > table
> > > >> 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jesus Camacho Rodriguez]

Thanks JB. Based on the guidelines described here [1], I was going to run
the name search process for XTable after the project is accepted for
incubation, but before we start to request resources.

-Jesús

[1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html#startsearch

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 2:02 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
wrote:

> Thanks Jesus
>
> XTable sounds good but we need a name search anyway to be sure it's
> suitable.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
>  wrote:
> >
> > I've updated the proposal with the new name: XTable. You can review it
> > here:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/XTable+Proposal
> > (please also see _Project Name_ subsection)
> >
> > We hope this change addresses the concern that was raised during this
> > discussion, helping to convey a message of neutrality to anyone
> interested
> > in contributing to the project.
> >
> > We look forward to hearing from you soon. If there are no further
> concerns,
> > we would love to move forward with the VOTE as soon as possible.
> >
> > -Jesús
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:09 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> > jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Julian. I was mainly considering the code, but, as you
> mentioned,
> > > it's probably not the primary concern. The current proposal aligns with
> > > your feedback: The project will go through the vote (and hopefully be
> > > accepted into the incubator) using the new name, so all the infra and
> > > project setup can be done (hopefully) only once.
> > >
> > > -Jesús
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:29 PM Julian Hyde 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Much easier to change the name before incubation. It’s not so much
> code
> > >> as all the infrastructure (mailing lists, git repos, web servers, svn
> > >> files, …) that goes along with a podling. It’s a lot of work for
> INFRA and
> > >> for the PPMC/champion.
> > >>
> > >> Also, branding. Calcite entered incubation as ‘Optiq’ and then
> renamed,
> > >> but not before it had appeared in a few conference talks; people are
> still
> > >> asking me ‘What happened to Optiq?'
> > >>
> > >> Julian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> > >> jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's
> great to
> > >> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different
> people.
> > >> >
> > >> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are
> > >> working
> > >> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion
> with
> > >> any
> > >> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing
> > >> some
> > >> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again
> during
> > >> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and
> share
> > >> it
> > >> > in this thread.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it,
> we're
> > >> > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
> > >> > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before
> > >> pushing
> > >> > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to
> the
> > >> ASF
> > >> > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any
> insights or
> > >> > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on
> > >> previous
> > >> > instances would be appreciated.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Jesús
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > >> jbono...@apache.org>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache
> > >> >> projects.
> > >> >> Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the
> project :)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks !
> > >> >> Regards
> > >> >> JB
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> > >> >>  wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Hi All,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator -
> OneTable.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats
> that
> > >> >> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and
> query
> > >> >> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source
> table
> > >> >> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Here is the proposal -
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
> > >> >> project through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org
> ],
> > >> >> Stamatis Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste
> Onofré [
> > >> >> jbono...@apache.org].
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> We are looking 

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jean-Baptiste Onofré]

Thanks Jesus

XTable sounds good but we need a name search anyway to be sure it's suitable.

Regards
JB

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
 wrote:
>
> I've updated the proposal with the new name: XTable. You can review it
> here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/XTable+Proposal
> (please also see _Project Name_ subsection)
>
> We hope this change addresses the concern that was raised during this
> discussion, helping to convey a message of neutrality to anyone interested
> in contributing to the project.
>
> We look forward to hearing from you soon. If there are no further concerns,
> we would love to move forward with the VOTE as soon as possible.
>
> -Jesús
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:09 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Julian. I was mainly considering the code, but, as you mentioned,
> > it's probably not the primary concern. The current proposal aligns with
> > your feedback: The project will go through the vote (and hopefully be
> > accepted into the incubator) using the new name, so all the infra and
> > project setup can be done (hopefully) only once.
> >
> > -Jesús
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:29 PM Julian Hyde 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Much easier to change the name before incubation. It’s not so much code
> >> as all the infrastructure (mailing lists, git repos, web servers, svn
> >> files, …) that goes along with a podling. It’s a lot of work for INFRA and
> >> for the PPMC/champion.
> >>
> >> Also, branding. Calcite entered incubation as ‘Optiq’ and then renamed,
> >> but not before it had appeared in a few conference talks; people are still
> >> asking me ‘What happened to Optiq?'
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> >> jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to
> >> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people.
> >> >
> >> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are
> >> working
> >> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with
> >> any
> >> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing
> >> some
> >> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during
> >> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share
> >> it
> >> > in this thread.
> >> >
> >> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're
> >> > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
> >> > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before
> >> pushing
> >> > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the
> >> ASF
> >> > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights or
> >> > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on
> >> previous
> >> > instances would be appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Jesús
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> >> jbono...@apache.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
> >> >>
> >> >> The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache
> >> >> projects.
> >> >> Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project :)
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks !
> >> >> Regards
> >> >> JB
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi All,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> >> >> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> >> >> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> >> >> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Here is the proposal -
> >> >>>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
> >> >> project through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org],
> >> >> Stamatis Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> >> >> jbono...@apache.org].
> >> >>>
> >> >>> We are looking forward to your feedback!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>> Jesús
> >> >>>
> >> >>> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jean-Baptiste Onofré]

Hi,

I think it makes sense to start a name search process asap.

I don't know if OneTable is an acceptable name (I doubt that :)), but
it's worth checking.

I did some name search already (for instance
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-205), so let
me know if you want me to help with that.

Regards
JB

On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 2:08 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
 wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to see 
> that the project's mission resonates with so many different people.
>
> Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are working 
> on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with any 
> specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing some due 
> diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during 
> incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share it in 
> this thread.
>
> Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're looking 
> for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're considering whether 
> it's better to change the project's name before pushing the code to the ASF, 
> or if it's more practical to push the code to the ASF repository first and 
> then proceed with the name change. Any insights or guidance on whether one 
> option is better than the other based on previous instances would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Jesús
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré  
> wrote:
>>
>> Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
>>
>> The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache projects.
>> Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project :)
>>
>> Thanks !
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
>> >
>> > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that 
>> > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query 
>> > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table 
>> > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
>> >
>> > Here is the proposal -
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
>> >
>> > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project 
>> > through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis 
>> > Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
>> > [jbono...@apache.org].
>> >
>> > We are looking forward to your feedback!
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jesús
>> >
>> > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable

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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jesus Camacho Rodriguez]

I've updated the proposal with the new name: XTable. You can review it
here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/XTable+Proposal
(please also see _Project Name_ subsection)

We hope this change addresses the concern that was raised during this
discussion, helping to convey a message of neutrality to anyone interested
in contributing to the project.

We look forward to hearing from you soon. If there are no further concerns,
we would love to move forward with the VOTE as soon as possible.

-Jesús



On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:09 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
jcama...@apache.org> wrote:

> Thanks Julian. I was mainly considering the code, but, as you mentioned,
> it's probably not the primary concern. The current proposal aligns with
> your feedback: The project will go through the vote (and hopefully be
> accepted into the incubator) using the new name, so all the infra and
> project setup can be done (hopefully) only once.
>
> -Jesús
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:29 PM Julian Hyde 
> wrote:
>
>> Much easier to change the name before incubation. It’s not so much code
>> as all the infrastructure (mailing lists, git repos, web servers, svn
>> files, …) that goes along with a podling. It’s a lot of work for INFRA and
>> for the PPMC/champion.
>>
>> Also, branding. Calcite entered incubation as ‘Optiq’ and then renamed,
>> but not before it had appeared in a few conference talks; people are still
>> asking me ‘What happened to Optiq?'
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
>> jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to
>> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people.
>> >
>> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are
>> working
>> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with
>> any
>> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing
>> some
>> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during
>> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share
>> it
>> > in this thread.
>> >
>> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're
>> > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
>> > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before
>> pushing
>> > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the
>> ASF
>> > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights or
>> > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on
>> previous
>> > instances would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jesús
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>> jbono...@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
>> >>
>> >> The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache
>> >> projects.
>> >> Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project :)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks !
>> >> Regards
>> >> JB
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi All,
>> >>>
>> >>> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
>> >>>
>> >>> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
>> >> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
>> >> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
>> >> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is the proposal -
>> >>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
>> >>>
>> >>> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
>> >> project through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org],
>> >> Stamatis Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
>> >> jbono...@apache.org].
>> >>>
>> >>> We are looking forward to your feedback!
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Jesús
>> >>>
>> >>> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
>> >>
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jesus Camacho Rodriguez]

Thanks Julian. I was mainly considering the code, but, as you mentioned,
it's probably not the primary concern. The current proposal aligns with
your feedback: The project will go through the vote (and hopefully be
accepted into the incubator) using the new name, so all the infra and
project setup can be done (hopefully) only once.

-Jesús

On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:29 PM Julian Hyde  wrote:

> Much easier to change the name before incubation. It’s not so much code as
> all the infrastructure (mailing lists, git repos, web servers, svn files,
> …) that goes along with a podling. It’s a lot of work for INFRA and for the
> PPMC/champion.
>
> Also, branding. Calcite entered incubation as ‘Optiq’ and then renamed,
> but not before it had appeared in a few conference talks; people are still
> asking me ‘What happened to Optiq?'
>
> Julian
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to
> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people.
> >
> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are
> working
> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with any
> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing some
> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during
> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share it
> > in this thread.
> >
> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're
> > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
> > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before
> pushing
> > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the
> ASF
> > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights or
> > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on previous
> > instances would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jesús
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> jbono...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
> >>
> >> The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache
> >> projects.
> >> Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project :)
> >>
> >> Thanks !
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
> >>>
> >>> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> >> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> >> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> >> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> >>>
> >>> Here is the proposal -
> >>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> >>>
> >>> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
> >> project through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org],
> >> Stamatis Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> >> jbono...@apache.org].
> >>>
> >>> We are looking forward to your feedback!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jesús
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> >>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Julian Hyde]

Much easier to change the name before incubation. It’s not so much code as all 
the infrastructure (mailing lists, git repos, web servers, svn files, …) that 
goes along with a podling. It’s a lot of work for INFRA and for the 
PPMC/champion.

Also, branding. Calcite entered incubation as ‘Optiq’ and then renamed, but not 
before it had appeared in a few conference talks; people are still asking me 
‘What happened to Optiq?'

Julian


> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jesus Camacho Rodriguez  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to
> see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people.
> 
> Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are working
> on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with any
> specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing some
> due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during
> incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share it
> in this thread.
> 
> Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're
> looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
> considering whether it's better to change the project's name before pushing
> the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the ASF
> repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights or
> guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on previous
> instances would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jesús
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> wrote:
> 
>> Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
>> 
>> The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache
>> projects.
>> Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project :)
>> 
>> Thanks !
>> Regards
>> JB
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
>>> 
>>> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
>> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
>> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
>> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
>>> 
>>> Here is the proposal -
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
>>> 
>>> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
>> project through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org],
>> Stamatis Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
>> jbono...@apache.org].
>>> 
>>> We are looking forward to your feedback!
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jesús
>>> 
>>> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
>> 


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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jesus Camacho Rodriguez]

Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to
see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people.

Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are working
on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with any
specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing some
due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during
incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share it
in this thread.

Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're
looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're
considering whether it's better to change the project's name before pushing
the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the ASF
repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights or
guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on previous
instances would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jesús



On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
wrote:

> Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.
>
> The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache
> projects.
> Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project :)
>
> Thanks !
> Regards
> JB
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
> >
> > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> >
> > Here is the proposal -
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> >
> > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
> project through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org],
> Stamatis Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> jbono...@apache.org].
> >
> > We are looking forward to your feedback!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jesús
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
>

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jean-Baptiste Onofré]

Of course, it's a big +1 one for me.

The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache projects.
Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project :)

Thanks !
Regards
JB

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
 wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
>
> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that 
> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query 
> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table 
> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
>
> Here is the proposal -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
>
> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project 
> through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis 
> Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> [jbono...@apache.org].
>
> We are looking forward to your feedback!
>
> Thanks,
> Jesús
>
> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable

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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Stephen Williams]

I am interested in participating in this.  I have a particular interest 
in creating a new style of architecture for open distributed workflow 
processing that would leverage this kind of solution.


Stephen


On 12/8/23 10:37 AM, Jacques Nadeau wrote:

FYI, I'm super supportive of the spirit of this work. The goal of the
project is a noble one that has real demand.

Sorry if my initial message sounded dour! I just wanted to make sure people
were going in eyes wide open and give this project the best chance for
success.

On Fri, Dec 8, 2023, 8:28 AM Jacques Nadeau  wrote:


I've shared this feedback with Jesus prior to the proposal but would like
to do here as well. This project is trying to make multiple open source
projects work together. It would be nice to see representation from
multiple of those communities. I feel that true success of this project is
heavily influenced by its acceptance of multiple communities, not just
those hailing from one.

The name is a problem in that that it suggests inappropriate ties with
both OneLake and OneHouse, commercial products in the same space backed by
two companies the initial ipmc hail from. Normally I would be fine with the
typical "find a new name during incubation" process but the
market this technology is within is filled with fud and vitriol between
the backers of the multiple open source projects and I think it would be
best if the incubating project name had a placeholder name as opposed to
something that suggests any ASF sponsorship of vendor technologies. I
cynically suspect that if this is accepted we would then see one or more
vendors start writing about how ASF is backing OneTable before the renaming
would occur. Let's keep corporate influence out of this project from the
start.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023, 11:25 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez
wrote:


Hi All,

I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.

OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.

Here is the proposal -
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal

I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project
through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
jbono...@apache.org].

We are looking forward to your feedback!

Thanks,
Jesús

[1]https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable


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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jacques Nadeau]

FYI, I'm super supportive of the spirit of this work. The goal of the
project is a noble one that has real demand.

Sorry if my initial message sounded dour! I just wanted to make sure people
were going in eyes wide open and give this project the best chance for
success.

On Fri, Dec 8, 2023, 8:28 AM Jacques Nadeau  wrote:

> I've shared this feedback with Jesus prior to the proposal but would like
> to do here as well. This project is trying to make multiple open source
> projects work together. It would be nice to see representation from
> multiple of those communities. I feel that true success of this project is
> heavily influenced by its acceptance of multiple communities, not just
> those hailing from one.
>
> The name is a problem in that that it suggests inappropriate ties with
> both OneLake and OneHouse, commercial products in the same space backed by
> two companies the initial ipmc hail from. Normally I would be fine with the
> typical "find a new name during incubation" process but the
> market this technology is within is filled with fud and vitriol between
> the backers of the multiple open source projects and I think it would be
> best if the incubating project name had a placeholder name as opposed to
> something that suggests any ASF sponsorship of vendor technologies. I
> cynically suspect that if this is accepted we would then see one or more
> vendors start writing about how ASF is backing OneTable before the renaming
> would occur. Let's keep corporate influence out of this project from the
> start.
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023, 11:25 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
>>
>> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
>> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
>> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
>> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
>>
>> Here is the proposal -
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
>>
>> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project
>> through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
>> Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
>> jbono...@apache.org].
>>
>> We are looking forward to your feedback!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jesús
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
>>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jacques Nadeau]

I've shared this feedback with Jesus prior to the proposal but would like
to do here as well. This project is trying to make multiple open source
projects work together. It would be nice to see representation from
multiple of those communities. I feel that true success of this project is
heavily influenced by its acceptance of multiple communities, not just
those hailing from one.

The name is a problem in that that it suggests inappropriate ties with both
OneLake and OneHouse, commercial products in the same space backed by two
companies the initial ipmc hail from. Normally I would be fine with the
typical "find a new name during incubation" process but the
market this technology is within is filled with fud and vitriol between the
backers of the multiple open source projects and I think it would be best
if the incubating project name had a placeholder name as opposed to
something that suggests any ASF sponsorship of vendor technologies. I
cynically suspect that if this is accepted we would then see one or more
vendors start writing about how ASF is backing OneTable before the renaming
would occur. Let's keep corporate influence out of this project from the
start.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023, 11:25 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
>
> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
>
> Here is the proposal -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
>
> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project
> through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> jbono...@apache.org].
>
> We are looking forward to your feedback!
>
> Thanks,
> Jesús
>
> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
>

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Ismaël Mejía]

Thanks for the info PJ, done !

On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 11:29 PM PJ Fanning  wrote:

> Hi Ismaël,
> Could you make a request to join the Incubator PMC? ASF members will
> be accepted into the PMC. It's just that podling mentors need to be
> part of the PMC.
> Requests are made to the priv...@incubator.apache.org list.
>
> Regards,
> PJ
>
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 at 23:20, Ismaël Mejía  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jesus,
> >
> > I am interested on both contributing to this project as a committer, and
> as
> > an ASF member I want to volunteer to mentor the project during
> incubation.
> > I am a committer and part of the PMC of both Apache Beam and Apache Avro
> so
> > I am close to this space so glad to help where I can.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ismaël
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:24 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> jcama...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
> > >
> > > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> > > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> > > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> > > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> > >
> > > Here is the proposal -
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> > >
> > > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
> project
> > > through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> > > Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> > > jbono...@apache.org].
> > >
> > > We are looking forward to your feedback!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jesús
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[俊平堵]

Hi Jesus,
The project looks interesting to me. I am available for a mentor.

Thanks,

JP

Jesus Camacho Rodriguez  于2023年12月5日周二 05:25写道：

> Hi All,
>
> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
>
> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
>
> Here is the proposal -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
>
> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project
> through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> jbono...@apache.org].
>
> We are looking forward to your feedback!
>
> Thanks,
> Jesús
>
> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
>

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[larry mccay]

Interesting.
I am available as a mentor if you are interested.


On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:30 PM PJ Fanning  wrote:

> Hi Ismaël,
> Could you make a request to join the Incubator PMC? ASF members will
> be accepted into the PMC. It's just that podling mentors need to be
> part of the PMC.
> Requests are made to the priv...@incubator.apache.org list.
>
> Regards,
> PJ
>
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 at 23:20, Ismaël Mejía  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jesus,
> >
> > I am interested on both contributing to this project as a committer, and
> as
> > an ASF member I want to volunteer to mentor the project during
> incubation.
> > I am a committer and part of the PMC of both Apache Beam and Apache Avro
> so
> > I am close to this space so glad to help where I can.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ismaël
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:24 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> jcama...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
> > >
> > > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> > > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> > > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> > > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> > >
> > > Here is the proposal -
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> > >
> > > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
> project
> > > through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> > > Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> > > jbono...@apache.org].
> > >
> > > We are looking forward to your feedback!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jesús
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[PJ Fanning]

Hi Ismaël,
Could you make a request to join the Incubator PMC? ASF members will
be accepted into the PMC. It's just that podling mentors need to be
part of the PMC.
Requests are made to the priv...@incubator.apache.org list.

Regards,
PJ

On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 at 23:20, Ismaël Mejía  wrote:
>
> Hello Jesus,
>
> I am interested on both contributing to this project as a committer, and as
> an ASF member I want to volunteer to mentor the project during incubation.
> I am a committer and part of the PMC of both Apache Beam and Apache Avro so
> I am close to this space so glad to help where I can.
>
> Regards,
> Ismaël
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:24 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
> >
> > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> >
> > Here is the proposal -
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> >
> > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project
> > through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> > Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> > jbono...@apache.org].
> >
> > We are looking forward to your feedback!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jesús
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> >

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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Ismaël Mejía]

Hello Jesus,

I am interested on both contributing to this project as a committer, and as
an ASF member I want to volunteer to mentor the project during incubation.
I am a committer and part of the PMC of both Apache Beam and Apache Avro so
I am close to this space so glad to help where I can.

Regards,
Ismaël


On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:24 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
>
> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
>
> Here is the proposal -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
>
> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project
> through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> jbono...@apache.org].
>
> We are looking forward to your feedback!
>
> Thanks,
> Jesús
>
> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
>

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Tim Bossenmaier]

OneTable is a really interesting project, would be great to have it in
the ASF incubator.


Am 04.12.2023 22:23 schrieb Jesus Camacho Rodriguez:
> Hi All,
>
> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
>
> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
>
> Here is the proposal -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
>
> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project
> through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> jbono...@apache.org].
>
> We are looking forward to your feedback!
>
> Thanks,
> Jesús
>
> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable

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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Nicholas Jiang]

Interesting project for LakeHouse. Looking forward to seeing OneTable integrate 
with Apache Paimon(Incubating).

Regards,
Nicholas Jiang

On 2023/12/04 21:23:17 Jesus Camacho Rodriguez wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
> 
> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> 
> Here is the proposal -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> 
> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project
> through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> jbono...@apache.org].
> 
> We are looking forward to your feedback!
> 
> Thanks,
> Jesús
> 
> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> 

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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jesus Camacho Rodriguez]

While Apache Arrow and OneTable both broadly aim for interoperability,
they have different goals. Arrow focuses on creating an in-memory columnar
data representation for use across multiple engines and applications. On
the other hand, OneTable serves as a converter for table formats that (1)
does not expose a new table format abstraction / API, and (2) does not aim
to standardize / provide cross-compatibility for data representation;
instead it relies on the data representation used by the specific table
format.

-Jesús


On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 11:58 PM Yuanbo Liu  wrote:

> What are the differences between OneTable and Apache Arrow
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 11:11 AM Jeff Zhang  wrote:
>
> > Seems an interesting project, looking forward to seeing it get into the
> > apache incubator.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 7:14 AM Felix Cheung 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Interesting. Let me know if I can be of help as mentor
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 1:35 PM Austin Bennett 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Awesome -- OneTable has a great purpose/mission, and can be really
> > > > useful!  I look forward to helping where I am able.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2023/12/04 21:23:17 Jesus Camacho Rodriguez wrote:
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator -
> > OneTable.
> > > > >
> > > > > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> > > > > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and
> query
> > > > > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source
> > table
> > > > > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is the proposal -
> > > > >
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> > > > >
> > > > > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
> > > > project
> > > > > through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org],
> Stamatis
> > > > > Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> > > > > jbono...@apache.org].
> > > > >
> > > > > We are looking forward to your feedback!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Jesús
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Jeff Zhang
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Yuanbo Liu]

What are the differences between OneTable and Apache Arrow

On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 11:11 AM Jeff Zhang  wrote:

> Seems an interesting project, looking forward to seeing it get into the
> apache incubator.
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 7:14 AM Felix Cheung 
> wrote:
>
> > Interesting. Let me know if I can be of help as mentor
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 1:35 PM Austin Bennett  wrote:
> >
> > > Awesome -- OneTable has a great purpose/mission, and can be really
> > > useful!  I look forward to helping where I am able.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2023/12/04 21:23:17 Jesus Camacho Rodriguez wrote:
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator -
> OneTable.
> > > >
> > > > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> > > > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> > > > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source
> table
> > > > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> > > >
> > > > Here is the proposal -
> > > >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> > > >
> > > > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
> > > project
> > > > through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> > > > Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> > > > jbono...@apache.org].
> > > >
> > > > We are looking forward to your feedback!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Jesús
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Best Regards
>
> Jeff Zhang
>

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jeff Zhang]

Seems an interesting project, looking forward to seeing it get into the
apache incubator.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 7:14 AM Felix Cheung  wrote:

> Interesting. Let me know if I can be of help as mentor
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 1:35 PM Austin Bennett  wrote:
>
> > Awesome -- OneTable has a great purpose/mission, and can be really
> > useful!  I look forward to helping where I am able.
> >
> >
> > On 2023/12/04 21:23:17 Jesus Camacho Rodriguez wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
> > >
> > > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> > > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> > > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> > > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> > >
> > > Here is the proposal -
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> > >
> > > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
> > project
> > > through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> > > Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> > > jbono...@apache.org].
> > >
> > > We are looking forward to your feedback!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jesús
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> > >
> >
> > -
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> >
> >
>


-- 
Best Regards

Jeff Zhang

Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Felix Cheung]

Interesting. Let me know if I can be of help as mentor


On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 1:35 PM Austin Bennett  wrote:

> Awesome -- OneTable has a great purpose/mission, and can be really
> useful!  I look forward to helping where I am able.
>
>
> On 2023/12/04 21:23:17 Jesus Camacho Rodriguez wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
> >
> > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> >
> > Here is the proposal -
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> >
> > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the
> project
> > through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> > Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> > jbono...@apache.org].
> >
> > We are looking forward to your feedback!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jesús
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Austin Bennett]

Awesome -- OneTable has a great purpose/mission, and can be really useful!  I 
look forward to helping where I am able.


On 2023/12/04 21:23:17 Jesus Camacho Rodriguez wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.
> 
> OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
> facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
> engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
> formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.
> 
> Here is the proposal -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal
> 
> I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project
> through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
> Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
> jbono...@apache.org].
> 
> We are looking forward to your feedback!
> 
> Thanks,
> Jesús
> 
> [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable
> 

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[DISCUSS] OneTable proposal

[Jesus Camacho Rodriguez]

Hi All,

I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - OneTable.

OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that
facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query
engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table
formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake.

Here is the proposal -
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal

I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the project
through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], Stamatis
Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [
jbono...@apache.org].

We are looking forward to your feedback!

Thanks,
Jesús

[1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable