entering hebrew?
How do I input hebrew on Linux? More specifically, in firefox (2.0). Thanks, Dan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: entering hebrew?
El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió: How do I input hebrew on Linux? Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨ More specifically, in firefox (2.0). Could you be more specific? Which Linux distribution and desktop enviroment are you using? Did you set the Hebrew? Usually you have to: 1. Set the Hebrew keyboard. 2. Have installed the Hebrew packages of* your* distro including aspell for Hebrew if you want support for spelling and, if it is available for your distro, Firefox-locale-he if you want Firefox in Hebrew. Hebrew packages are often called Language-pack-he or Langauge-support-he in some distros. Hebrew fonts, as Culmus, and other basics features have to be installed by default in most distros. Julian Thanks, Dan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: entering hebrew?
You need to switch to a hebrew keyboard. If you have xorg, then you'll probably have to edit it and add/edit something like this to /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd option CoreKeyboard option XkbRules xorg option XkbModel pc105 option XkbLayout us,il option XkbOptions grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll EndSection Restart X. Then use alt-shift to switch keyboard to hebrew. On Wednesday 14 February 2007 09:55, Dan Bar Dov wrote: How do I input hebrew on Linux? More specifically, in firefox (2.0). Thanks, Dan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Tzahi. -- Tzahi Fadida Blog: http://tzahi.blogsite.org | Home Site: http://tzahi.webhop.info WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quickest way to list content of directory(s)
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Just for the record, it is not at all clear that, on modern CPUs, code you write in machine code (or even Assembly) will, in fact, run faster. The compiler can be quite good at opimizing your code for machine language expression, often much better than you would be. However, a good assembly langunage programer can write code the is leaner and meaner than a compiler generates. In practical terms, a good C programmer can often write code that is close, and parallel processing CPUs where the order of instructions is critical a good compiler can outdo an assembly language programmer. HOW do you write 'lean and mean' assembly for a quad core board with AMD or Pentium stepping (to be chosen at runtime) ? Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: entering hebrew?
Hi, For xorg: 1. Test from command line: host~$ setxkbmap us It is important to save this in shell history, before you switch to Hebrew ! host~$ setxkbmap he Typpe in Hebrew in firefox. host~$ setxkbmap us 2. Configure your favorite keyboard indicator: Add keyboard indicator to your desktop: panels, fvwm box, etc. Add Hebrew to keyboard layouts in your keyboard indicator. Dan Bar Dov wrote: How do I input hebrew on Linux? More specifically, in firefox (2.0). Thanks, Dan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Moshe Gorohovsky A6 CC A7 E1 C2 BD 8C 1B 30 8E A4 C3 4C 09 88 47 Tk Open Systems Ltd. --- - http://www.tkos.co.il - Dan Bar Dov wrote: How do I input hebrew on Linux? More specifically, in firefox (2.0). Thanks, Dan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: entering hebrew?
El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 10:39 +0200, Tzahi Fadida escribió: You need to switch to a hebrew keyboard. If you have xorg, then you'll probably have to edit it and add/edit something like this to /etc/X11/xorg.conf: In many distros if you are using a Gnome or KDE all the keyboard layouts you do not need to make changes at /etc/X11/xorg.conf to switch the keyboard and it is not recommended to play with /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you have not experience with it. In these cases you can change the keyboard layout from the desktop settings or adding the keyboard applet( as in Windows or Mac) to your toolbar and /etc/X11/xorg.conf will always set as¨ us¨ in the XkbLayout entry. Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd option CoreKeyboard option XkbRules xorg option XkbModel pc105 option XkbLayout us,il option XkbOptions grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll EndSection Restart X. Then use alt-shift to switch keyboard to hebrew. On Wednesday 14 February 2007 09:55, Dan Bar Dov wrote: How do I input hebrew on Linux? More specifically, in firefox (2.0). Thanks, Dan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: entering hebrew?
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 11:01, Julian Daich wrote: El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 10:39 +0200, Tzahi Fadida escribió: You need to switch to a hebrew keyboard. If you have xorg, then you'll probably have to edit it and add/edit something like this to /etc/X11/xorg.conf: In many distros if you are using a Gnome or KDE all the keyboard layouts you do not need to make changes at /etc/X11/xorg.conf to switch the keyboard and it is not recommended to play with /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you have not experience with it. In these cases you can change the keyboard layout from the desktop settings or adding the keyboard applet( as in Windows or Mac) to your toolbar and /etc/X11/xorg.conf will always set as¨ us¨ in the XkbLayout entry. You are right, of course, but i wish it was true for my KDE on kubuntu. The dang thing ignores ALT-SHIFT or any combination for that matter when group switches are enabled. Or even more weirder, sometimes it switches once and stops. This is before and after a total reinstall 2 weeks ago. Guess KDE does not like my keyboard. So, in the event KDE configuration (System settings-Regional settings in KDE) won't succeed for our friend here, then he can do it in xorg.conf Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd option CoreKeyboard option XkbRules xorg option XkbModel pc105 option XkbLayout us,il option XkbOptions grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll EndSection Restart X. Then use alt-shift to switch keyboard to hebrew. On Wednesday 14 February 2007 09:55, Dan Bar Dov wrote: How do I input hebrew on Linux? More specifically, in firefox (2.0). Thanks, Dan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Tzahi. -- Tzahi Fadida Blog: http://tzahi.blogsite.org | Home Site: http://tzahi.webhop.info WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: entering hebrew?
El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 11:20 +0200, Tzahi Fadida escribió: On Wednesday 14 February 2007 11:01, Julian Daich wrote: El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 10:39 +0200, Tzahi Fadida escribió: You are right, of course, but i wish it was true for my KDE on kubuntu. The dang thing ignores ALT-SHIFT or any combination for that matter when group switches are enabled. Or even more weirder, sometimes it switches once and stops. This is before and after a total reinstall 2 weeks ago. Guess KDE does not like my keyboard. In Gnome you can set keys shortcuts with the keyboard preferences, but at least in my Ubuntu, you have to restart xorg( or the system) to make the changes to have effect. So, in the event KDE configuration (System settings-Regional settings in KDE) won't succeed for our friend here, then he can do it in xorg.conf For all these reasons, it is important that Dan tell us which distro and GUI he is using, if he want an effective help. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: entering hebrew?
On 14/02/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió: How do I input hebrew on Linux? Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨ That wasn't nice. Dan probably has experience with Windows, not Linux. When he learns Linux, and then sits down at a Mac, he will then also need to ask (As would you and I at a Mac terminal) how to enter Hebrew. And he turned to the rihgt place to ask: this mailing list. That's what we are here for. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/653/frukwan.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/top_posting.html
Re: entering hebrew?
On 14/02/07, Dan Bar Dov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I input hebrew on Linux? More specifically, in firefox (2.0). Thanks, Dan Dan, the answer to your question depends on several things. What distro are you using? Ubuntu? Fedora? Gentoo? Slackware? SUSE? Something else? Also, what desktop are you using? KDE? Gnome? XFCE? Something else? If you're not sure, then send to me a screenshot of the desktop, make sure that it includes the task bar. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/love.html http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/541/2_skinnee_j_s.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: entering hebrew?
Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Wed, 14 Feb: http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/653/frukwan.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/top_posting.html http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/microwaves/index.html http://www.lyricsdepot.com/screeching-weasel/nicaragua.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Firefox and egov:fines payment
Hello, I tried to pay my fine using web interface on following URL: http://ecom.gov.il/police Unfortunately, each time I filled name, date, fine amount and pressed Ishur, the system returned me to the same page, with highlighted error message, that if there are discrepancies between your data and data at the police, the data at the police are correct. And nothing else. I called the phones mentioned on Contacts page and always got to auto-answering machine, suggesting to leave contact details, so that they could call me back. Are they expecting me to be next to the computer, internet, browser, available for tests whenever they happen to have time?! The support woman called me back once, though, and after basic checks and asserts that the site does support mozilla browsers, she stated that she can not help me. Thus, so far I have several questions: Have anybody managed to pay fines electronically using the firefox or mozilla browsers? Is there way to formally complain about the cross-browsers support on the (taxes supported) site? Are there any programs, that would check a site and would highlight areas (HTML, JS, CSS), that are problematic from cross-browser compatibility perspective? Such a program can even suggest to web-designer, ways to replace or spice the problematic spot with more compatible code (indispensable for web designers). -- Arieh
Firefox and Isracard
I have just tried to access http://www.isracard.co.il using Firefox. I managed to register but once logged in nothing useful comes out of it. I wrote to the support from where I got prompt answer that currently they don't support Firefox. I also asked when are they going to support it but recived no answer. Has anyone managed to use their site with Firefox? Gabor -- Gabor Szabo http://www.szabgab.com/ Perl Training in Israel http://www.pti.co.il/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox and egov:fines payment
Quoting Arieh Skliarouk, from the post of Wed, 14 Feb: Hello, I tried to pay my fine using web interface on following URL: http://ecom.gov.il/police for the VAT, IRS and one time a fine to the court system, looks like Linux is out of the picture, yes :-( (funny they put it under police when it's not the police itself that charges the money) Unfortunately, each time I filled name, date, fine amount and pressed Ishur, the system returned me to the same page, with highlighted error message, that if there are discrepancies between your data and data at the police, the data at the police are correct. And nothing else. I called the phones mentioned on Contacts page and always got to auto-answering machine, suggesting to leave contact details, so that they could call me back. Are they expecting me to be next to the computer, internet, browser, available for tests whenever they happen to have time?! The support woman called me back once, though, and after basic checks and asserts that the site does support mozilla browsers, she stated that she can not help me. Thus, so far I have several questions: Have anybody managed to pay fines electronically using the firefox or mozilla browsers? Is there way to formally complain about the cross-browsers support on the (taxes supported) site? Are there any programs, that would check a site and would highlight areas (HTML, JS, CSS), that are problematic from cross-browser compatibility perspective? Such a program can even suggest to web-designer, ways to replace or spice the problematic spot with more compatible code (indispensable for web designers). -- Arieh -- King of the wild things Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox and Isracard
I use the extension User Agent Switcher (http://chrispederick.com/work/useragentswitcher/) to access their site :'( Gabor Szabo wrote, On 14/02/07 16:14: I have just tried to access http://www.isracard.co.il using Firefox. I managed to register but once logged in nothing useful comes out of it. I wrote to the support from where I got prompt answer that currently they don't support Firefox. I also asked when are they going to support it but recived no answer. Has anyone managed to use their site with Firefox? Gabor -- Dr. Zvi Har'El mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Department of Mathematics tel:+972-54-4227607 icq:179294841Technion - Israel Institute of Technology fax:+972-4-8293388 http://www.math.technion.ac.il/~rl/Haifa 32000, ISRAEL If you can't say somethin' nice, don't say nothin' at all. -- Thumper (1942)
Re: entering hebrew?
On 14/02/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi i am using RH9, fvwm. i can switch the keyboard to write in openoffice, but not firefox. many thanks ! dorit Probably a Firefox bug, then. If you can type in Hebrew in OOo and other apps, then you've got the OS and WM configured properly at least. And I know of a Firefox bug whereby keyboard shortcuts don't work in Hebrew. Can you type into a text editor and then paste into Firefox? Also, is your machine capable of running KDE or Gnome? (256MB RAM)? You might want to try one of those WMs if you're not too attached to fvwm. I had many problems with Hebrew in xfce, which I believe is similar. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/css.html http://song-lyriks.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Firefox and egov:fines payment
-- Forwarded message -- From: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Feb 14, 2007 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and egov:fines payment To: Arieh Skliarouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2/14/07, Arieh Skliarouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I tried to pay my fine using web interface on following URL: http://ecom.gov.il/police Unfortunately, each time I filled name, date, fine amount and pressed Ishur, the system returned me to the same page, with highlighted error message, that if there are discrepancies between your data and data at the police, the data at the police are correct. And nothing else. I called the phones mentioned on Contacts page and always got to auto-answering machine, suggesting to leave contact details, so that they could call me back. Are they expecting me to be next to the computer, internet, browser, available for tests whenever they happen to have time?! The support woman called me back once, though, and after basic checks and asserts that the site does support mozilla browsers, she stated that she can not help me. Thus, so far I have several questions: Have anybody managed to pay fines electronically using the firefox or mozilla browsers? Is there way to formally complain about the cross-browsers support on the (taxes supported) site? Are there any programs, that would check a site and would highlight areas (HTML, JS, CSS), that are problematic from cross-browser compatibility perspective? Such a program can even suggest to web-designer, ways to replace or spice the problematic spot with more compatible code (indispensable for web designers). The best thing I know of is the Mozilla JavaScript error console. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Arieh -- -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ If his programming is anything like his philosophising, he would find 10 imaginary bugs in the Hello World program. -- -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ If his programming is anything like his philosophising, he would find 10 imaginary bugs in the Hello World program. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: entering hebrew?
Thank you all for the very interesting thread. FYI I'm using fedora core 5, KDE, everything standard. But that is not relevant. Dotan I think, almost figured me out, I'm using Linux for years, but always in console mode, never graphics, never gui. For that I used windows. All I needed to know is that on the bottom right there's a little icon with US on it, and by clicking it, I'd switch to hebrew input. You could have said - very similar to windows. Anyway, this how to kill a fly with an atomic bomb was very educational. Thanks Dan On 2/14/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió: How do I input hebrew on Linux? Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨ More specifically, in firefox (2.0). Could you be more specific? Which Linux distribution and desktop enviroment are you using? Did you set the Hebrew? Usually you have to: 1. Set the Hebrew keyboard. 2. Have installed the Hebrew packages of* your* distro including aspell for Hebrew if you want support for spelling and, if it is available for your distro, Firefox-locale-he if you want Firefox in Hebrew. Hebrew packages are often called Language-pack-he or Langauge-support-he in some distros. Hebrew fonts, as Culmus, and other basics features have to be installed by default in most distros. Julian Thanks, Dan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
USB UPS
I need to replace the UPS on my Ubuntu Dapper machine. My local computer store (which knows nothing about Linux) has a UPS that connects via USB rather than the serial port. I was wondering if anyone knows if this type of UPS is supported by Linux, specifically Ubuntu. I never managed to configure my current UPS to interface with the system but since I am getting a new one I figured I would want to do it right. The USB UPS is made by Gammatronic. Alternatively, does anyone have a specific UPS that they recommend to use with Linux? Thanks, -- David Suna [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web development tools (Was Re: Fwd: Firefox and egov:fines payment)
Are there any programs, that would check a site and would highlight areas (HTML, JS, CSS), that are problematic from cross-browser compatibility perspective? Such a program can even suggest to web-designer, ways to replace or spice the problematic spot with more compatible code (indispensable for web designers). The best thing I know of is the Mozilla JavaScript error console. I recently read about Firebug, a Firefox extension that seems to greatly expand on the JavaScript error console. I have installed it but haven't had a chance to play with it yet. Looks nice though. -- David Suna [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB UPS
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:11:46PM +0200, David Suna wrote: I need to replace the UPS on my Ubuntu Dapper machine. My local computer store (which knows nothing about Linux) has a UPS that connects via USB rather than the serial port. I was wondering if anyone knows if this type of UPS is supported by Linux, specifically Ubuntu. I never managed to configure my current UPS to interface with the system but since I am getting a new one I figured I would want to do it right. The USB UPS is made by Gammatronic. Alternatively, does anyone have a specific UPS that they recommend to use with Linux? I bought: http://www.datech.co.il/product_info.php?cPath=422products_id=2403 from them about a month ago. Hence the comments about my UPS taking up my only serial port. The only difference is the picture is white, mine is black. It came with a link to download a fancy GUI interface which ran, but could not see my UPS. I installed openups' smartd which records the following information: IN:234.20V, FAULT:234.20V, OUT:234.60V, LOAD:18.00% INFREQ:50.10hz, BATT:13.50V, TEMP:25.00C, FLAGS 1001 I don't know what it really means, except that the 1% load says it's fine. This is the 800 VA version, it's running a 1ghz AMD computer, a YES MAX, a cable modem and 16port hub. Note that it openups does not actually shutdown your computer, it includes a command for you to modify to do it, but the default is just a message. Gammatronic UPS's have a good reputation. I've never used one. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning kernel modules development
The problem with NFS Root is that i don't have a second machine :(. Anycase, it took a while and i got a uml to work on a debootstrap ubuntu edgy with network support and no super user for the helpers so i won't make a mistake (took half a day just for that). Got my hello world module though so that is something. Though there is an irritating thing with ubuntu where the 6 virtual consoles pop out to the desktop and cannot be closed. haven't figured out how to kill them yet. and that the console is not popping up on the shell where the uml loads. As for the performance, it loads pretty quick and i am not running servers here so it is ok for learning purposes. The only problem i understand there is with UML is that you cannot work with real devices (since the kernel is talking to the host kernel. I imagine this is the same with vmware/etc emulation. On Tuesday 13 February 2007 20:02, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 18:54 +0200, Tzahi Fadida wrote: Hi, As you might guess from a previous thread, i am trying to learn modules development. I use kubuntu as my dist. My first goal is to be able to run the hello world module example in the linux device drivers 3rd edition book. Apparently in 2.6 you need to have the whole kernel compiled just to build one module, which is not a problem though i don't want to start spending days tuning it up to work correctly with my system. You don't. You just need the skeleton kernel-devel package. (A cut down kernel image that includes the kernel configuration, headers and kbuild environment) What should be my workspace so i can start learning: User mode linux? qemu? vmware? XEN :) ? In general, I use both VMWare server and an NFS-root-mounted machine. Xen: At least in Fedora-land, it tends to be very sensitive to kernel updates - a very frequent event. QEMU: Too slow. (Even with now-GPL'ed kernel module.) KVM: No hardware support. (Old[er] dual core Opterons @work/home) UML: it has been a while since I used it - but even with the SKAS host-patch, performance is less then staggering and it was -very- sensitive to the base (read: un-patched) kernel versions. NFS-root: The NFS-root is also an interesting option. (If you can spare a second machine/SBC/embedded board) A. You don't risk the host machine. (I did crash vmware/Xen a couple of times - risking the integrity of the host machine) B. The guest machine is booting from a network FS - no matter how painful your crash is (Read: doing memset with a negative size) you won't damage the guest OS image. C. Super fast boot. My NFS test machine (with a modified stripped-down Slackware) boot in less then 15 seconds. P.s.: naturally i am impatient to start coding yesterday :) Yep... Debugging kernel OOPs is pure joy ;) - Gilboa = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: entering hebrew?
El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 14:09 +0200, Dotan Cohen escribió: On 14/02/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió: How do I input hebrew on Linux? Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨ That wasn't nice. I meant that the question was too vague. Nothing more than that. Also my answer for the original threat had a continuation. Dan probably has experience with Windows, not Linux. When he learns Linux, and then sits down at a Mac, he will then also need to ask (As would you and I at a Mac terminal) how to enter Hebrew. And he turned to the rihgt place to ask: this mailing list. That's what we are here for. I remember also my first jump into Linux two and half years ago. The installer asked me about language and keyboard distribution and Hebrew was there, so my thinking was there will be some kind of control panel where to set or change my keyboard again if I need Hebrew. After playing one or two days with the desktop, I found the keyboard settings and the keyboard applet for the toolbar. So, again, I concluded that Dan question was too vague and that we need more information to help him. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/653/frukwan.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/top_posting.html -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: entering hebrew?
El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 18:51 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió: Thank you all for the very interesting thread. FYI I'm using fedora core 5, KDE, everything standard. But that is not relevant. Why do you think is what not relevant? Next time be more specific! Dotan I think, almost figured me out, I'm using Linux for years, (!) but always in console mode, never graphics, never gui. For that I used windows. All I needed to know is that on the bottom right there's a little icon with US on it, and by clicking it, I'd switch to hebrew input. You could have said - very similar to windows. Right click over the KDE toolbarselect add an item select from the items´ menu the keyboard app. In Windows( AFAIK at least until XP) you don´t have the possibility to add items to your toolbar at a glance. Anyway, this how to kill a fly with an atomic bomb was very educational. Next time try to play a little bit. Thanks Dan On 2/14/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió: How do I input hebrew on Linux? Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨ More specifically, in firefox (2.0). Could you be more specific? Which Linux distribution and desktop enviroment are you using? Did you set the Hebrew? Usually you have to: 1. Set the Hebrew keyboard. 2. Have installed the Hebrew packages of* your* distro including aspell for Hebrew if you want support for spelling and, if it is available for your distro, Firefox-locale-he if you want Firefox in Hebrew. Hebrew packages are often called Language-pack-he or Langauge-support-he in some distros. Hebrew fonts, as Culmus, and other basics features have to be installed by default in most distros. Julian Thanks, Dan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning kernel modules development
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:10:52PM +0200, Tzahi Fadida wrote: The problem with NFS Root is that i don't have a second machine :(. Anycase, it took a while and i got a uml to work on a debootstrap ubuntu edgy with network support and no super user for the helpers so i won't make a mistake (took half a day just for that). Got my hello world module though so that is something. Though there is an irritating thing with ubuntu where the 6 virtual consoles pop out to the desktop and cannot be closed. haven't figured out how to kill Simply comment out some (or all) of the ttys in your /etc/inittab (of the uml). them yet. and that the console is not popping up on the shell where the uml I managed to solve it, a few years ago when I played with uml, but can't recall details. A combination of playing with /etc/inittab, /dev/console and the kernel command line (console=stuff specifically). Read the uml howto, available in your kernel sources under Documentation/uml. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning kernel modules development
10x for the tip. Mostly solved it by attaching the consoles to pty. On Wednesday 14 February 2007 23:20, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:10:52PM +0200, Tzahi Fadida wrote: The problem with NFS Root is that i don't have a second machine :(. Anycase, it took a while and i got a uml to work on a debootstrap ubuntu edgy with network support and no super user for the helpers so i won't make a mistake (took half a day just for that). Got my hello world module though so that is something. Though there is an irritating thing with ubuntu where the 6 virtual consoles pop out to the desktop and cannot be closed. haven't figured out how to kill Simply comment out some (or all) of the ttys in your /etc/inittab (of the uml). them yet. and that the console is not popping up on the shell where the uml I managed to solve it, a few years ago when I played with uml, but can't recall details. A combination of playing with /etc/inittab, /dev/console and the kernel command line (console=stuff specifically). Read the uml howto, available in your kernel sources under Documentation/uml. -- Regards, Tzahi. -- Tzahi Fadida Blog: http://tzahi.blogsite.org | Home Site: http://tzahi.webhop.info WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Entering Hebrew (2nd round) - VNC with twm
Hello gang, After reading the 1st round of entering hebrew? I have similar problem for the gurus of this list. I'm interfacing with Linux through VNC, i.e. I have a virtual screen created by VNC, with twm as the windows manager. The OS is as old as RH7.3 or new as FC6. I connect to the Linux box by ssh (from anywhere, mostly my home or office), which has a tunnel for the VNC. Most of the time I run only one application - Emacs - which is run as full screen without border or title. I don't need any Hebrew support for the Emacs - it is all done from within (by my hebeng.el). From time to time I need to run a Firefox or OO (to read HTML mail and documents), sometimes I'd like to run/test some legacy programs that run on xterm/rxvt. For the Firefox/OO I need UTF-8 Hebrew, for the legacy programs I need ISO-8859-8 Hebrew. So it all come to this: How I can manage the keyboard to produce English (upper lower case), Hebrew (UTF-8 and ISO-8859-8) with twm ? I prefer to have all those together (modifiers for Hebrew - like shift and lock for upper case). I have my practical solution, but I wanted to here from the list gurus their suggestions. Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D http://www.keyserver.net/Better Safe Than Sorry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing files on a samba share triggers nothing
On 14/02/07, Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: however, this does not seem to work, and I can't find how to turn it on, even though I see that Samba is compiled on Debian with the FAM support. OK, I got the picture. I hesitate to point this out to you, but smb.conf(5) contains: fam change notify (G) This parameter specifies whether Samba should ask the FAM daemon change notifications in directories so that SMB clients can refresh whenever the data on the server changes. This parameter is only used when your system supports change notifi‐ cation to user programs, using the FAM daemon. If the FAM daemon is not running, this parameter is automatically disabled. The kernel change notify parameter will take precedence if it is also enabled. Default: fam change notify = yes What does your smb.conf has to say about this parameter? Another option is to try to trace calls to FAM using ltrace. --Amos
Re: USB UPS - MGE ups systems?
On Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:11 pm, David Suna wrote: The USB UPS is made by Gammatronic. Don't know about Gammatronic. Alternatively, does anyone have a specific UPS that they recommend to use with Linux? MGE ups systems? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
