Re: Pro vs Max

[Mary Otten]

Interesting. I also have a 10 r with which I am quite happy. But I was thinking 
about getting a 15 pro because it’s a lot newer and I thought it might have 
better performance better battery life and the better camera. But, Kelly, based 
on your comments, I’m thinking about not bothering.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 7:08 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> I appreciate all the replies here.
> 
> I did go with the iPhone 15 Pro and have been using it since Friday. I chose 
> the Pro in large part because I prefer the smaller size. That said, so far 
> I’m really not noticing meaningful differences in most tasks between my 
> iPhone 10R and this 15 Pro. Apps might launch a bit faster but VoiceOver 
> performance when moving between items is about the same and add-heavy web 
> sites with videos that play muted by default still seem to bring VoiceOver to 
> very problematic web performance.
> 
> I’m not saying any of this to be critical and it is too early to know about 
> battery performance.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 8:36 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>> 
>> Hi I have not upgraded yet eather. my ishu is what I should choose since I 
>> am running a I phone 8 and my carrier tellus has I phones for 0 dollors up 
>> frunt but of korce you have to pay the taxes. I have herd that the I phone 
>> 14 prow is 151 for taxes. What do people sugest that I get? I have always 
>> gotten a case with mine as well. From Mich. From New Liskeard Ontario Canada.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard
>> Sent: September 24, 2023 6:17 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Pro vs Max
>> 
>> I haven't upgraded yet, although am considering the Pro or Max. My concern 
>> is the Max will be too big to fit in a standard  shirt pocket. I hate to 
>> haul around a case or belt  pouch. For any of you who use the Max, does it 
>> fit into a shirt pocket? I guess I'll find out when I go to buy a phone.
>> 
>> Richard Petty
>> richard.pe...@earthlink.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 4:27 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>> 
>> I was doing the same thing until I decided to upgrade to the 15 Pro. I so 
>> wish that they would make a smart battery case for these phones.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 24, 2023, at 2:10 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You made me laugh out loud, Andy.  Thank you so much.
>>> 
>>> I have more than a few appliances about which I feel the exact same way, as 
>>> you.
>>> 
>>> With a big smile,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Andy Baracco
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:06 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>> 
>>> I still have the one i bought with my old iPhone 8 and it still works with 
>>> the SE 3rd Gen. and you will have to pry it out of my cold dead fingers.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Julian" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 1:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I really wish Apple would bring back the smart battery case. It is one
>>> of the accessories I really miss. When I used one of those cases, I
>>> never had to worry about charging throughout the day when I was out and 
>>> about.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Robert Stigile
 
 wrote:
 
 I am sure those numbers are with basic use!
 I am lucky to get ten hours with my 14 pro max when using oko aira
 zoom texting email and calling during the day!
 Maybe they should have us test the battery with that use and then
 they can put their numbers out!
 Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President National Federation of the
 Blind of California President San Fernando Valley Chapter
 818-381-9568
 Kn6uvd
 
> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn
>  wrote:
> 
> 15 Plus: 23 hours
> 15 Pro: 26 hours
> 15 Max: 29 hours
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: lenron brown 
> Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
> 
> Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
> to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
> what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
> battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
> read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
> banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.
>>> On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as
>> heavily as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge,
>> so I think 

Re: Pro vs Max

[Kelly Ford]

I appreciate all the replies here.

I did go with the iPhone 15 Pro and have been using it since Friday. I chose 
the Pro in large part because I prefer the smaller size. That said, so far I’m 
really not noticing meaningful differences in most tasks between my iPhone 10R 
and this 15 Pro. Apps might launch a bit faster but VoiceOver performance when 
moving between items is about the same and add-heavy web sites with videos that 
play muted by default still seem to bring VoiceOver to very problematic web 
performance.

I’m not saying any of this to be critical and it is too early to know about 
battery performance.

Kelly


> On Sep 24, 2023, at 8:36 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi I have not upgraded yet eather. my ishu is what I should choose since I am 
> running a I phone 8 and my carrier tellus has I phones for 0 dollors up frunt 
> but of korce you have to pay the taxes. I have herd that the I phone 14 prow 
> is 151 for taxes. What do people sugest that I get? I have always gotten a 
> case with mine as well. From Mich. From New Liskeard Ontario Canada.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard
> Sent: September 24, 2023 6:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Pro vs Max
> 
> I haven't upgraded yet, although am considering the Pro or Max. My concern is 
> the Max will be too big to fit in a standard  shirt pocket. I hate to haul 
> around a case or belt  pouch. For any of you who use the Max, does it fit 
> into a shirt pocket? I guess I'll find out when I go to buy a phone.
> 
> Richard Petty
> richard.pe...@earthlink.net
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 4:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
> 
> I was doing the same thing until I decided to upgrade to the 15 Pro. I so 
> wish that they would make a smart battery case for these phones.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 2:10 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> You made me laugh out loud, Andy.  Thank you so much.
>> 
>> I have more than a few appliances about which I feel the exact same way, as 
>> you.
>> 
>> With a big smile,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Andy Baracco
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>> 
>> I still have the one i bought with my old iPhone 8 and it still works with 
>> the SE 3rd Gen. and you will have to pry it out of my cold dead fingers.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Julian" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 1:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>> 
>> 
>> I really wish Apple would bring back the smart battery case. It is one 
>> of the accessories I really miss. When I used one of those cases, I 
>> never had to worry about charging throughout the day when I was out and 
>> about.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Robert Stigile 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am sure those numbers are with basic use!
>>> I am lucky to get ten hours with my 14 pro max when using oko aira 
>>> zoom texting email and calling during the day!
>>> Maybe they should have us test the battery with that use and then 
>>> they can put their numbers out!
>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President National Federation of the 
>>> Blind of California President San Fernando Valley Chapter
>>> 818-381-9568
>>> Kn6uvd
>>> 
 On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
  wrote:
 
 15 Plus: 23 hours
 15 Pro: 26 hours
 15 Max: 29 hours
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: lenron brown 
 Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
 
 Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16 
 to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on 
 what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the 
 battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I 
 read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my 
 banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.
>> On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as 
> heavily as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, 
> so I think the odds are good it would last through a whole day if I 
> did use the GPS extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the 
> battery life on the Max is better, just saying it's surprisingly 
> good on the regular Pro as well.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is 
>> not like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the 

RE: Pro vs Max

[michv]

Hi I have not upgraded yet eather. my ishu is what I should choose since I am 
running a I phone 8 and my carrier tellus has I phones for 0 dollors up frunt 
but of korce you have to pay the taxes. I have herd that the I phone 14 prow is 
151 for taxes. What do people sugest that I get? I have always gotten a case 
with mine as well. From Mich. From New Liskeard Ontario Canada.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: September 24, 2023 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pro vs Max

I haven't upgraded yet, although am considering the Pro or Max. My concern is 
the Max will be too big to fit in a standard  shirt pocket. I hate to haul 
around a case or belt  pouch. For any of you who use the Max, does it fit into 
a shirt pocket? I guess I'll find out when I go to buy a phone.

Richard Petty
richard.pe...@earthlink.net



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max

I was doing the same thing until I decided to upgrade to the 15 Pro. I so wish 
that they would make a smart battery case for these phones.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 2:10 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> You made me laugh out loud, Andy.  Thank you so much.
> 
> I have more than a few appliances about which I feel the exact same way, as 
> you.
> 
> With a big smile,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Andy Baracco
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
> 
> I still have the one i bought with my old iPhone 8 and it still works with 
> the SE 3rd Gen. and you will have to pry it out of my cold dead fingers.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Julian" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
> 
> 
> I really wish Apple would bring back the smart battery case. It is one 
> of the accessories I really miss. When I used one of those cases, I 
> never had to worry about charging throughout the day when I was out and about.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Robert Stigile 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I am sure those numbers are with basic use!
>> I am lucky to get ten hours with my 14 pro max when using oko aira 
>> zoom texting email and calling during the day!
>> Maybe they should have us test the battery with that use and then 
>> they can put their numbers out!
>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President National Federation of the 
>> Blind of California President San Fernando Valley Chapter
>> 818-381-9568
>> Kn6uvd
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 15 Plus: 23 hours
>>> 15 Pro: 26 hours
>>> 15 Max: 29 hours
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: lenron brown 
>>> Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>> 
>>> Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16 
>>> to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on 
>>> what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the 
>>> battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I 
>>> read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my 
>>> banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.
> On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as 
 heavily as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, 
 so I think the odds are good it would last through a whole day if I 
 did use the GPS extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the 
 battery life on the Max is better, just saying it's surprisingly 
 good on the regular Pro as well.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is 
> not like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the 
> promax, aside from the price, is the screen size. I can't imagine 
> holding this thing in one hand and actually doing stuff on the 
> screen like I do with my 10 R.
> So
> I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like 
> according to rumors, next year's Apple phones are going to be 
> bigger than this year's. I have an iPad mini. I don't need another 
> one.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kelly,
>> 
>> Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better 
>> battery life.
>> 
>> Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a 
>> charging cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I 
>> never, ever worry about running out of power in a day, even when 
>> 

NEWS ON IPHONE AFTER UPDATE

[Paula Pinder]

Hi All

Thanks for your messages regarding Voiceover not speaking after i updated my 
iPhone to IOS17. We did a factory reset and installed the new update on Friday 
night and I am pleased to say Voiceover is fine again now.

Best wishes

Paula

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RE: Question about when I upgrade

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Ed, the below message you refer to was sent to the list and not to your direct 
email.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 4:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about when I upgrade

Hi Mark,
I am getting emails from you in my personal  email that should be going to the 
viphone group.
Could you check your emails that you are sending out to the viphone group. I 
have had about five or six emails in my personal email just today. See your 
email below.
Mr. Edl 

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about when I upgrade

I strongly second your comments, Christopher.

While I think it best to start with a clean install, I have not done so in 
many, many years.  Apple makes it so convenient to simply move data from one 
device to another.  

Mark
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about when I upgrade

This is just my opinion, but I think it's always best to start from scratch. 
This way you don't propagate those mistakes you made on your previous device. 
That being said, I always bring everything forward in iCloud. I'm just too lazy 
to go through all of those settings I've tweaked. Note on Windows, I do always 
start from scratch.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 11:51 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Question about when I upgrade

Hi,
Does anyone have thoughts on what is best when upgrading, whether one should 
start fresh with the phone or whether one should always get what was saved from 
iCloud. I'll be upgrading from the 12 basic to the
15 pro, and I noticed that when I upgraded from the XR to the 12, I simply got 
what was saved on iCloud. It was the same settings and same layout as before, 
and somewhere along that time I got apps that weren't being used anymore or 
that I had downloaded and didn't need. I guess the question is whether I should 
start from scratch on this new phone and download the apps I want or whether I 
should get what I want from icloud and keep everything I've had for years in 
the way of older apps and layout and such.
Tom

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RE: USB-C Headphones

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would always go with the Apple Earpods which now are available with a USB-C 
connector. They may cost $19.99 or $24.99, but in my opinion that is still 
relatively inexpensive and I think for that price the sound quality is 
fantastic and while this may not be the case for everybody, they fit my ears 
perfectly. I can stick in just the right side a little bit so I can hear 
outside sounds perfectly and for me that works great.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Ford
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: USB-C Headphones

Apologies if this is a duplicate, but I didn't see this  show up on the list 
yesterday and see notes about the server being down. Kelly.

From: Kelly Ford
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2023 4:50:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: USB-C Headphones

Hello,

With the iPhone 15 requiring USB-C headphones if you want to use something that 
is wired and not an adapter, I’m curious what others have found as far as good 
headphones in the space? I like to have at least one low-cost set of headphones 
for my devices because the wires often wear out by putting the headphones in 
and out of my pocket and such.

I did purchase the headphones at the following link from Amazon for just under 
$10 and so far they have been working well.

USB C Headphones,USB Type C... 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09ZV1KQ3F?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

I have higher quality, wireless headphones for music and media listening, but 
these work well for just basic text access. One nice thing that wasn’t obvious 
to me from the description is these are magnetic at the end where the earbuds 
are, which helps reduce clutter and tangling.

As I said, I’m curious what others are finding in the space.

Kelly.
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RE: Question about when I upgrade

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Mark,
I am getting emails from you in my personal  email that should be going to the 
viphone group.
Could you check your emails that you are sending out to the viphone group. I 
have had about five or six emails in my personal email just today. See your 
email below.
Mr. Edl 

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about when I upgrade

I strongly second your comments, Christopher.

While I think it best to start with a clean install, I have not done so in 
many, many years.  Apple makes it so convenient to simply move data from one 
device to another.  

Mark
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about when I upgrade

This is just my opinion, but I think it's always best to start from scratch. 
This way you don't propagate those mistakes you made on your previous device. 
That being said, I always bring everything forward in iCloud. I'm just too lazy 
to go through all of those settings I've tweaked. Note on Windows, I do always 
start from scratch.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 11:51 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Question about when I upgrade

Hi,
Does anyone have thoughts on what is best when upgrading, whether one should 
start fresh with the phone or whether one should always get what was saved from 
iCloud. I'll be upgrading from the 12 basic to the
15 pro, and I noticed that when I upgraded from the XR to the 12, I simply got 
what was saved on iCloud. It was the same settings and same layout as before, 
and somewhere along that time I got apps that weren't being used anymore or 
that I had downloaded and didn't need. I guess the question is whether I should 
start from scratch on this new phone and download the apps I want or whether I 
should get what I want from icloud and keep everything I've had for years in 
the way of older apps and layout and such.
Tom

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RE: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[Kathy Blackburn]

The person whose message preceded mine suggested Terri get an SE second 
generation. I'm running an iPhone 8. I like being able to use touch ID, as I 
think it's more discreet than face ID: just my opinion. My phone is still doing 
what I need it to do, but I don't think there will be many more updates.

Kathy Blackburn
kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Sep 24, 2023 1:53 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:
>
> First, Kathy, if you are asking how long the 12 mini will be supported, no 
> one knows exactly other than maybe Apple; however, considering the XR is a 
> couple years older than the 12 mini and it is able to run iOS 17, I would 
> guess the 12 mini will be supported for at least 2 more years, if not more. 
>
> Terri asked a lot of questions. 
> First, as far as I can tell, for object identification and OCR the new 48 
> pixel camera in the 15 pro won't make those functions any better.  The higher 
> the pixels perhaps the better the picture for someone sighted but for the 
> kind of stuff most blind people need, you do not need that level of camera. 
>
> I would check with Apple about the USBC cable that will come with the 15 
> models to find out if the end that goes into the charging block is also USBC, 
> which I suspect it is.  That would mean you need a charging block with the 
> USBC port not the standard USB A port. 
>
> Note, the chip in the 15 and 15 plus is the same chip as in the 14 pro, so if 
> that is at all important to you, it will be less expensive to go with the 14 
> pro if you decide to upgrade this year. 
>
> I personally have the 13 pro and see nothing to make me want to upgrade to 
> the 15 pro.  I'll probably stick with this phone for several years and will 
> replace the battery when the time comes. 
>
> That is what I can remember to address in your questions.  
> Most decisions to upgrade are based on exactly what features you want. 
>
> HTH, 
>
>
>
> Richard, USA. 
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe 
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Blackburn 
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 11:38 AM 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments 
>
> For how much longer will this model be supported? 
>
> Kathy Blackburn 
> kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Sep 24, 2023 12:58 PM, Fred Olver 
>  wrote: 
> > 
> > Terri, Since I don't feel it necessary to have the latest and 
> > greatest, please try and understand my bias. My personal choice would 
> > be for you to invest in the second generation IPhone S.E. The cost is 
> > substantially less than any of the more modern phones and you would 
> > not be sacrificing very much in terms of optical recognition. Also, 
> > you would be able to continue to use your various charging devices and 
> > chords because the S.E. has the lightning port. 
> > Fred Olver - Original Message - 
> > From: "Terri Stimmel"  
> > To:  
> > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:23 PM 
> > Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments 
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello everyone, 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and 
> > > opinions on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with 
> > > them, in the stores. I always find this sort of stuff helpful. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do 
> > > it. I love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. 
> > > It still works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade 
> > > now, it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or 
> > > so. 
> > > Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the 
> > > cost of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this 
> > > phone. But this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things, 
> > > if I ever want to upgrade. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service 
> > > message on it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I 
> > > could do that, and use this phone for longer. But a part of me 
> > > thinks that it is just better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know 
> > > some of this will be opinion. That is fine by me. 
> > > 
> > > However, some of you on this list know way much more about these 
> > > sorts of things than I do. That is something I have really come to 
> > > appreciate over the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of 
> > > this list. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want 
> > > to hold the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, 

Re: Dynamic island

[Lisa Belville]

I wish there was a way to hide that.  There just aren't enough apps that 
use it and to me it just takes up space on the status bar.




Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/24/2023 4:59 PM, Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi,

It mostly says Empty on my iPhone 14 Pro too, but some apps put 
information there, and I’ve heard the feature demonstrated on 
AppleVis. Presumably it will have things in it more often as more 
developers start using it.


Best,
Anna



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Hi,

Does voiceover actually work with dynamic island? I keep hearing it 
appearing, but voiceover just says empty. This is with iOS 17 on an 
iPhone 15 and the first time I have had access to this feature.


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Re: Pro vs Max

[Andy Baracco]

The reason I stick with the smaller model is that it fits where I need it to 
fit. I think that phones are getting way to large, almost as big as tablets.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: Pro vs Max


I haven't upgraded yet, although am considering the Pro or Max. My concern 
is the Max will be too big to fit in a standard  shirt pocket. I hate to 
haul around a case or belt  pouch. For any of you who use the Max, does it 
fit into a shirt pocket? I guess I'll find out when I go to buy a phone.


Richard Petty
richard.pe...@earthlink.net



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Julian

Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max

I was doing the same thing until I decided to upgrade to the 15 Pro. I so 
wish that they would make a smart battery case for these phones.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 24, 2023, at 2:10 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

You made me laugh out loud, Andy.  Thank you so much.

I have more than a few appliances about which I feel the exact same way, 
as you.


With a big smile,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco

Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max

I still have the one i bought with my old iPhone 8 and it still works with 
the SE 3rd Gen. and you will have to pry it out of my cold dead fingers.


Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Julian" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max


I really wish Apple would bring back the smart battery case. It is one of
the accessories I really miss. When I used one of those cases, I never had
to worry about charging throughout the day when I was out and about.
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Robert Stigile 
wrote:

I am sure those numbers are with basic use!
I am lucky to get ten hours with my 14 pro max when using oko aira zoom
texting email and calling during the day!
Maybe they should have us test the battery with that use and then they 
can

put their numbers out!
Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
National Federation of the Blind of California
President San Fernando Valley Chapter
818-381-9568
Kn6uvd


On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn
 wrote:

15 Plus: 23 hours
15 Pro: 26 hours
15 Max: 29 hours


- Original Message -
From: lenron brown 
Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max

Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.

On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi,

I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as
heavily
as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, so I think
the
odds are good it would last through a whole day if I did use the GPS
extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the battery life on the 
Max

is
better, just saying it's surprisingly good on the regular Pro as well.

Best,
Anna



On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:


I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not
like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, 
aside

from the price, is the screen size. I can't imagine holding this thing
in
one hand and actually doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 
R.

So
I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like
according
to rumors, next year's Apple phones are going to be bigger than this
year's. I have an iPad mini. I don't need another one.
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hi Kelly,

Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery
life.

Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging
cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever
worry
about running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation
for
hours at a time.  The phone is amazing.

I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as
the
Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus
model.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of

Robert Stigile
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max

Kelly
I  realize you asked about the 15.
I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine 
months!

I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone 

RE: Pro vs Max

[Richard]

I haven't upgraded yet, although am considering the Pro or Max. My concern is 
the Max will be too big to fit in a standard  shirt pocket. I hate to haul 
around a case or belt  pouch. For any of you who use the Max, does it fit into 
a shirt pocket? I guess I'll find out when I go to buy a phone.

Richard Petty
richard.pe...@earthlink.net



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max

I was doing the same thing until I decided to upgrade to the 15 Pro. I so wish 
that they would make a smart battery case for these phones.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 2:10 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> You made me laugh out loud, Andy.  Thank you so much.
> 
> I have more than a few appliances about which I feel the exact same way, as 
> you.
> 
> With a big smile,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
> Baracco
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
> 
> I still have the one i bought with my old iPhone 8 and it still works with 
> the SE 3rd Gen. and you will have to pry it out of my cold dead fingers.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Julian" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
> 
> 
> I really wish Apple would bring back the smart battery case. It is one of
> the accessories I really miss. When I used one of those cases, I never had
> to worry about charging throughout the day when I was out and about.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Robert Stigile 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I am sure those numbers are with basic use!
>> I am lucky to get ten hours with my 14 pro max when using oko aira zoom
>> texting email and calling during the day!
>> Maybe they should have us test the battery with that use and then they can
>> put their numbers out!
>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>> National Federation of the Blind of California
>> President San Fernando Valley Chapter
>> 818-381-9568
>> Kn6uvd
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 15 Plus: 23 hours
>>> 15 Pro: 26 hours
>>> 15 Max: 29 hours
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: lenron brown 
>>> Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>> 
>>> Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
>>> to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
>>> what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
>>> battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
>>> read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
>>> banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.
> On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as
 heavily
 as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, so I think
 the
 odds are good it would last through a whole day if I did use the GPS
 extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the battery life on the Max
 is
 better, just saying it's surprisingly good on the regular Pro as well.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not
> like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, aside
> from the price, is the screen size. I can't imagine holding this thing
> in
> one hand and actually doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 R.
> So
> I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like
> according
> to rumors, next year's Apple phones are going to be bigger than this
> year's. I have an iPad mini. I don't need another one.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kelly,
>> 
>> Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery
>> life.
>> 
>> Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging
>> cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever
>> worry
>> about running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation
>> for
>> hours at a time.  The phone is amazing.
>> 
>> I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as
>> the
>> Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus
>> model.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Robert Stigile
>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>> 
>> Kelly
>> I  realize you asked 

RE: Dynamic island

[dandrews920]

I saw stuff from Uber once, but that is about it so far, I have a 14 Pro, so 
been using it almost a year.

 

Dave

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 4:59 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Dynamic island

 

Hi,

 

It mostly says Empty on my iPhone 14 Pro too, but some apps put information 
there, and I’ve heard the feature demonstrated on AppleVis. Presumably it will 
have things in it more often as more developers start using it.

 

Best,

Anna

 





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Hi,

 

Does voiceover actually work with dynamic island? I keep hearing it appearing, 
but voiceover just says empty. This is with iOS 17 on an iPhone 15 and the 
first time I have had access to this feature.

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Re: Dynamic island

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

It mostly says Empty on my iPhone 14 Pro too, but some apps put information 
there, and I’ve heard the feature demonstrated on AppleVis. Presumably it will 
have things in it more often as more developers start using it.

Best,
Anna


> On Sep 24, 2023, at 4:51 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does voiceover actually work with dynamic island? I keep hearing it 
> appearing, but voiceover just says empty. This is with iOS 17 on an iPhone 15 
> and the first time I have had access to this feature.
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Dynamic island

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,

Does voiceover actually work with dynamic island? I keep hearing it appearing, 
but voiceover just says empty. This is with iOS 17 on an iPhone 15 and the 
first time I have had access to this feature.

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Re: Pro vs Max

[Julian]

I was doing the same thing until I decided to upgrade to the 15 Pro. I so wish 
that they would make a smart battery case for these phones.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 2:10 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> You made me laugh out loud, Andy.  Thank you so much.
> 
> I have more than a few appliances about which I feel the exact same way, as 
> you.
> 
> With a big smile,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
> Baracco
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
> 
> I still have the one i bought with my old iPhone 8 and it still works with 
> the SE 3rd Gen. and you will have to pry it out of my cold dead fingers.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Julian" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
> 
> 
> I really wish Apple would bring back the smart battery case. It is one of
> the accessories I really miss. When I used one of those cases, I never had
> to worry about charging throughout the day when I was out and about.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Robert Stigile 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I am sure those numbers are with basic use!
>> I am lucky to get ten hours with my 14 pro max when using oko aira zoom
>> texting email and calling during the day!
>> Maybe they should have us test the battery with that use and then they can
>> put their numbers out!
>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>> National Federation of the Blind of California
>> President San Fernando Valley Chapter
>> 818-381-9568
>> Kn6uvd
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 15 Plus: 23 hours
>>> 15 Pro: 26 hours
>>> 15 Max: 29 hours
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: lenron brown 
>>> Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>> 
>>> Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
>>> to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
>>> what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
>>> battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
>>> read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
>>> banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.
> On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as
 heavily
 as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, so I think
 the
 odds are good it would last through a whole day if I did use the GPS
 extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the battery life on the Max
 is
 better, just saying it's surprisingly good on the regular Pro as well.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not
> like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, aside
> from the price, is the screen size. I can't imagine holding this thing
> in
> one hand and actually doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 R.
> So
> I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like
> according
> to rumors, next year's Apple phones are going to be bigger than this
> year's. I have an iPad mini. I don't need another one.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kelly,
>> 
>> Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery
>> life.
>> 
>> Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging
>> cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever
>> worry
>> about running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation
>> for
>> hours at a time.  The phone is amazing.
>> 
>> I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as
>> the
>> Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus
>> model.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Robert Stigile
>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>> 
>> Kelly
>> I  realize you asked about the 15.
>> I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine months!
>> I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
>> I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
>> This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone calling and
>> using my hotspot with the braillesense!
>> Hope this helps!
>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
>> Valley Chapter

RE: Pro vs Max

[M. Taylor]

You made me laugh out loud, Andy.  Thank you so much.

I have more than a few appliances about which I feel the exact same way, as you.

With a big smile,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max

I still have the one i bought with my old iPhone 8 and it still works with the 
SE 3rd Gen. and you will have to pry it out of my cold dead fingers.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Julian" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max


I really wish Apple would bring back the smart battery case. It is one of 
the accessories I really miss. When I used one of those cases, I never had 
to worry about charging throughout the day when I was out and about.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Robert Stigile  
> wrote:
>
> I am sure those numbers are with basic use!
> I am lucky to get ten hours with my 14 pro max when using oko aira zoom 
> texting email and calling during the day!
> Maybe they should have us test the battery with that use and then they can 
> put their numbers out!
> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
> National Federation of the Blind of California
> President San Fernando Valley Chapter
> 818-381-9568
> Kn6uvd
>
>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 15 Plus: 23 hours
>> 15 Pro: 26 hours
>> 15 Max: 29 hours
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: lenron brown 
>> Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>
>> Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
>> to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
>> what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
>> battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
>> read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
>> banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.
 On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as 
>>> heavily
>>> as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, so I think 
>>> the
>>> odds are good it would last through a whole day if I did use the GPS
>>> extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the battery life on the Max 
>>> is
>>> better, just saying it's surprisingly good on the regular Pro as well.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>>
>>>
> On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

 I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not
 like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, aside
 from the price, is the screen size. I can't imagine holding this thing 
 in
 one hand and actually doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 R. 
 So
 I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like 
 according
 to rumors, next year's Apple phones are going to be bigger than this
 year's. I have an iPad mini. I don't need another one.
 Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>
> Hi Kelly,
>
> Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery
> life.
>
> Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging
> cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever 
> worry
> about running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation 
> for
> hours at a time.  The phone is amazing.
>
> I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as 
> the
> Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus 
> model.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Robert Stigile
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>
> Kelly
> I  realize you asked about the 15.
> I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine months!
> I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
> I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
> This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone calling and
> using my hotspot with the braillesense!
> Hope this helps!
> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
> Valley Chapter
> 818-381-9568
> Kn6uvd
>
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Kelly Ford  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am curious for those of you who have chosen the 15 Max over the 
>> Pro,
>> what lead you to choose the Max? Battery life or something else. My
>> understanding is that the biggest differences are screen size, 
>> battery
>> life and the depth for zooming 

Re: Pro vs Max

[Andy Baracco]

I still have the one i bought with my old iPhone 8 and it still works with 
the SE 3rd Gen. and you will have to pry it out of my cold dead fingers.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Julian" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max


I really wish Apple would bring back the smart battery case. It is one of 
the accessories I really miss. When I used one of those cases, I never had 
to worry about charging throughout the day when I was out and about.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Robert Stigile  
wrote:


I am sure those numbers are with basic use!
I am lucky to get ten hours with my 14 pro max when using oko aira zoom 
texting email and calling during the day!
Maybe they should have us test the battery with that use and then they can 
put their numbers out!

Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
National Federation of the Blind of California
President San Fernando Valley Chapter
818-381-9568
Kn6uvd

On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
 wrote:


15 Plus: 23 hours
15 Pro: 26 hours
15 Max: 29 hours


- Original Message -
From: lenron brown 
Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max

Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.

On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi,

I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as 
heavily
as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, so I think 
the

odds are good it would last through a whole day if I did use the GPS
extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the battery life on the Max 
is

better, just saying it's surprisingly good on the regular Pro as well.

Best,
Anna



On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:


I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not
like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, aside
from the price, is the screen size. I can't imagine holding this thing 
in
one hand and actually doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 R. 
So
I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like 
according

to rumors, next year's Apple phones are going to be bigger than this
year's. I have an iPad mini. I don't need another one.
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hi Kelly,

Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery
life.

Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging
cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever 
worry
about running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation 
for

hours at a time.  The phone is amazing.

I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as 
the
Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus 
model.


Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Robert Stigile
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max

Kelly
I  realize you asked about the 15.
I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine months!
I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone calling and
using my hotspot with the braillesense!
Hope this helps!
Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
Valley Chapter
818-381-9568
Kn6uvd

On Sep 23, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Kelly Ford  
wrote:


I am curious for those of you who have chosen the 15 Max over the 
Pro,

what lead you to choose the Max? Battery life or something else. My
understanding is that the biggest differences are screen size, 
battery

life and the depth for zooming with the camera.

Kelly


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Re: Pro vs Max

[Julian]

I really wish Apple would bring back the smart battery case. It is one of the 
accessories I really miss. When I used one of those cases, I never had to worry 
about charging throughout the day when I was out and about.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Robert Stigile  wrote:
> 
> I am sure those numbers are with basic use!
> I am lucky to get ten hours with my 14 pro max when using oko aira zoom 
> texting email and calling during the day!
> Maybe they should have us test the battery with that use and then they can 
> put their numbers out!
> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
> National Federation of the Blind of California
> President San Fernando Valley Chapter
> 818-381-9568
> Kn6uvd
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 15 Plus: 23 hours
>> 15 Pro: 26 hours
>> 15 Max: 29 hours
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: lenron brown 
>> Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>> 
>> Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
>> to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
>> what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
>> battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
>> read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
>> banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.
 On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as heavily
>>> as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, so I think the
>>> odds are good it would last through a whole day if I did use the GPS
>>> extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the battery life on the Max is
>>> better, just saying it's surprisingly good on the regular Pro as well.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
> On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not
 like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, aside
 from the price, is the screen size. I can't imagine holding this thing in
 one hand and actually doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 R. So
 I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like according
 to rumors, next year's Apple phones are going to be bigger than this
 year's. I have an iPad mini. I don't need another one.
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kelly,
> 
> Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery
> life.
> 
> Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging
> cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever worry
> about running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation for
> hours at a time.  The phone is amazing.
> 
> I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as the
> Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus model.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Robert Stigile
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
> 
> Kelly
> I  realize you asked about the 15.
> I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine months!
> I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
> I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
> This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone calling and
> using my hotspot with the braillesense!
> Hope this helps!
> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
> Valley Chapter
> 818-381-9568
> Kn6uvd
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> I am curious for those of you who have chosen the 15 Max over the Pro,
>> what lead you to choose the Max? Battery life or something else. My
>> understanding is that the biggest differences are screen size, battery
>> life and the depth for zooming with the camera.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
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Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[lenron brown]

Apple also offers you a 14 day return with no restocking fees. So if
you are not happy you can return the phone, and get something else. I
guess it really always depends on the location, how the associates may
be but I have been on both sides being the employee and the customer.
There is no commission so it really makes no sense to pressure you
into a purchase. Just go in if you can, and play with the devices.
That's truly the only way to know what will work for you.

On 9/24/23, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Terri,
>
> I think you will really enjoy either a 14 or 15 model.  Off the top of my
> head, I would say go with the new 15 series.
>
> I am more concerned that you have a positive experience while visiting the
> Apple store than what you may or may not purchase.
>
> So, my suggestions are:
>
> 1.
> Make certain that you give yourself plenty of time to explore all of the
> devices about which you are interested.  Generally speaking, unless you know
> exactly what you want, I would plan on spending about 2-hours at the Apple
> Store.  Remember, I am basing this on Los Angeles area locations.
>
> 2.
> Make certain that you are comfortable with the Apple associate who helps
> you.  For example, some associates speak very fast or may seem to be
> impatient.  If you find that you are not comfortable with the associate, be
> kind and gracious and, blaming no one, ask if there is another associate
> available.On more than one occasion, I have had to ask for a different
> associate because I could not understand the associate because of extremely
> rapid speech or, more often than not, they continued to address my sighted
> companion, instead of me.  Granted, such things do not happen, often but
> they do happen and you must be prepared to deal with them.  Remember, it is
> your time and your money and you must stay in control of the situation.
>
> 3.
> If you have them, be certain to take a pair of wired Ear pods with you.
> More often than not, the store will be very noisy and you will definitely
> want to use a headset when testing.
>
> 4.
> Do not feel compelled to purchase a new phone just because you are in the
> store.  Fewer retail experiences are worse than buyer's remorse.
>
> Okay, good luck and please let us know how it goes.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri
> Stimmel
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 10:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and opinions
> on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in the stores.
> I always find this sort of stuff helpful.
>
>
> I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it.
> I love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It still
> works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it.
>
>
> However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now,
> it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so.
> Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the
> cost of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this
> phone. But this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things, if
> I ever want to upgrade.
>
>
> My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message
> on it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do
> that, and use this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is
> just better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead.
>
>
> I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some
> of this will be opinion. That is fine by me.
>
> However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts
> of things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate
> over the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list.
>
>
> I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to
> hold the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which
> one I might be most comfortable with.
>
>
> I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would
> know all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That
> would just be too large of a device for me.
>
>
> I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging.
>
> However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need?
>
>
> I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I
> know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks,
> because I have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or,
> I have friends that come over, who need to charge their stuff.
>
>
> I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the
> camera. I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's
> camera.
>
>
> However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game 

RE: forgot password for gmail email account

[M. Taylor]

Hello Ann,

 

As it has been a while since last I forgot a password, I can not be certain but 
such a wait time certainly sounds reasonable as it may decrease the likelihood 
that a BOT or a hacker would be successful in compromising your account.

 

Check the web and you will probably find a definite answer to your question.

 

Mark

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann M 
Medlar
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 10:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: forgot password for gmail email account

 

I forgot my password for my Gmail email account.

I use this email on Mac, iPhone, iPad and windows desktop.

Went to Google and went to forgot my password.  

I used iPhone for Google verification code.  

I entered this number on desktop.   

Received an email message stating

In 6 hours, we’ll email your email address with a link to sign in to your 
account.

Is this a new Google policy?

 

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RE: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[M. Taylor]

Hello Terri,

I think you will really enjoy either a 14 or 15 model.  Off the top of my head, 
I would say go with the new 15 series.

I am more concerned that you have a positive experience while visiting the 
Apple store than what you may or may not purchase.

So, my suggestions are:

1.
Make certain that you give yourself plenty of time to explore all of the 
devices about which you are interested.  Generally speaking, unless you know 
exactly what you want, I would plan on spending about 2-hours at the Apple 
Store.  Remember, I am basing this on Los Angeles area locations.

2.
Make certain that you are comfortable with the Apple associate who helps you.  
For example, some associates speak very fast or may seem to be impatient.  If 
you find that you are not comfortable with the associate, be kind and gracious 
and, blaming no one, ask if there is another associate available.On more 
than one occasion, I have had to ask for a different associate because I could 
not understand the associate because of extremely rapid speech or, more often 
than not, they continued to address my sighted companion, instead of me.  
Granted, such things do not happen, often but they do happen and you must be 
prepared to deal with them.  Remember, it is your time and your money and you 
must stay in control of the situation.

3.
If you have them, be certain to take a pair of wired Ear pods with you.  More 
often than not, the store will be very noisy and you will definitely want to 
use a headset when testing.

4.
Do not feel compelled to purchase a new phone just because you are in the 
store.  Fewer retail experiences are worse than buyer's remorse.  

Okay, good luck and please let us know how it goes.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

Hello everyone,


First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and opinions on 
the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in the stores. I 
always find this sort of stuff helpful.


I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it. 
I love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It still works 
quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it.


However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now, 
it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so. 
Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the 
cost of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this 
phone. But this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things, if 
I ever want to upgrade.


My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message 
on it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do 
that, and use this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is 
just better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead.


I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some 
of this will be opinion. That is fine by me.

However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts 
of things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate 
over the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list.


I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to 
hold the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which 
one I might be most comfortable with.


I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would 
know all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That 
would just be too large of a device for me.


I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging.

However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need?


I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I 
know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks, 
because I have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or, 
I have friends that come over, who need to charge their stuff.


I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the 
camera. I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's 
camera.


However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for 
me. I use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more 
than that though. I am still not always the best at taking a picture. I 
hope that this might improve in time. I just don't always understand 
how, or where to aim the camera.


Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have now, 
to the 14 pro, or the 15 pro?


I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of 
course, I won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store.


What do you all think?

Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: Question about when I upgrade

[M. Taylor]

I strongly second your comments, Christopher.

While I think it best to start with a clean install, I have not done so in 
many, many years.  Apple makes it so convenient to simply move data from one 
device to another.  

Mark
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about when I upgrade

This is just my opinion, but I think it's always best to start from scratch. 
This way you don't propagate those mistakes you made on your previous device. 
That being said, I always bring everything forward in iCloud. I'm just too lazy 
to go through all of those settings I've tweaked. Note on Windows, I do always 
start from scratch.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 11:51 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Question about when I upgrade

Hi,
Does anyone have thoughts on what is best when upgrading, whether one should 
start fresh with the phone or whether one should always get what was saved from 
iCloud. I'll be upgrading from the 12 basic to the
15 pro, and I noticed that when I upgraded from the XR to the 12, I simply got 
what was saved on iCloud. It was the same settings and same layout as before, 
and somewhere along that time I got apps that weren't being used anymore or 
that I had downloaded and didn't need. I guess the question is whether I should 
start from scratch on this new phone and download the apps I want or whether I 
should get what I want from icloud and keep everything I've had for years in 
the way of older apps and layout and such.
Tom

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Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I agree with Richard, I won't be upgrading my iPhone any time soon
either.  I've got the 13 pro max the one terabyte model and it is
working great.  I updated to 17.01 today with no issues.  I didn't
have any problems changing the variations of the eloquence voices, or
the Tom, or Alex voice that I tested.  Man, if you want, you can
really increase the Tambor of the Tom voice and make him sound very
weird.  I've just got to download the 2 new British Siri voices and
I'll be set.

On 9/24/23, Richard Turner  wrote:
> First, Kathy, if you are asking how long the 12 mini will be supported, no
> one knows exactly other than maybe Apple; however, considering the XR is a
> couple years older than the 12 mini and it is able to run iOS 17, I would
> guess the 12 mini will be supported for at least 2 more years, if not more.
>
> Terri asked a lot of questions.
> First, as far as I can tell, for object identification and OCR the new 48
> pixel camera in the 15 pro won't make those functions any better.  The
> higher the pixels perhaps the better the picture for someone sighted but for
> the kind of stuff most blind people need, you do not need that level of
> camera.
>
> I would check with Apple about the USBC cable that will come with the 15
> models to find out if the end that goes into the charging block is also
> USBC, which I suspect it is.  That would mean you need a charging block with
> the USBC port not the standard USB A port.
>
> Note, the chip in the 15 and 15 plus is the same chip as in the 14 pro, so
> if that is at all important to you, it will be less expensive to go with the
> 14 pro if you decide to upgrade this year.
>
> I personally have the 13 pro and see nothing to make me want to upgrade to
> the 15 pro.  I'll probably stick with this phone for several years and will
> replace the battery when the time comes.
>
> That is what I can remember to address in your questions.
> Most decisions to upgrade are based on exactly what features you want.
>
> HTH,
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
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>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy
> Blackburn
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 11:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments
>
> For how much longer will this model be supported?
>
> Kathy Blackburn
> kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Sep 24, 2023 12:58 PM, Fred Olver
>  wrote:
>>
>> Terri, Since I don't feel it necessary to have the latest and
>> greatest, please try and understand my bias. My personal choice would
>> be for you to invest in the second generation IPhone S.E. The cost is
>> substantially less than any of the more modern phones and you would
>> not be sacrificing very much in terms of optical recognition. Also,
>> you would be able to continue to use your various charging devices and
>> chords because the S.E. has the lightning port.
>> Fred Olver - Original Message -
>> From: "Terri Stimmel" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:23 PM
>> Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments
>>
>>
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> >
>> > First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and
>> > opinions on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with
>> > them, in the stores. I always find this sort of stuff helpful.
>> >
>> >
>> > I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do
>> > it. I love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold.
>> > It still works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it.
>> >
>> >
>> > However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade
>> > now, it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or
>> > so.
>> > Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the
>> > cost of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this
>> > phone. But this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things,
>> > if I ever want to upgrade.
>> >
>> >
>> > My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service
>> > message on it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I
>> > could do that, and use this phone for longer. But a part of me
>> > thinks that it is just better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead.
>> >
>> >
>> > I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know
>> > some of this will be opinion. That is fine by me.
>> >
>> > However, some of you on this list know way much more about these
>> > sorts of things than I do. That is something I have really come to
>> > appreciate over the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of
>> > this list.
>> >
>> >
>> > I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want
>> > to hold the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see
>> > which one 

Re: Pro vs Max

[Robert Stigile]

I am sure those numbers are with basic use!
I am lucky to get ten hours with my 14 pro max when using oko aira zoom texting 
email and calling during the day!
Maybe they should have us test the battery with that use and then they can put 
their numbers out!
Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
National Federation of the Blind of California
President San Fernando Valley Chapter
818-381-9568
Kn6uvd

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
>  wrote:
> 
> 15 Plus: 23 hours
> 15 Pro: 26 hours
> 15 Max: 29 hours
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: lenron brown 
> Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
> 
> Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
> to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
> what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
> battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
> read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
> banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.
>> On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as heavily
>> as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, so I think the
>> odds are good it would last through a whole day if I did use the GPS
>> extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the battery life on the Max is
>> better, just saying it's surprisingly good on the regular Pro as well.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
 On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not
>>> like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, aside
>>> from the price, is the screen size. I can't imagine holding this thing in
>>> one hand and actually doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 R. So
>>> I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like according
>>> to rumors, next year's Apple phones are going to be bigger than this
>>> year's. I have an iPad mini. I don't need another one.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hi Kelly,
 
 Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery
 life.
 
 Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging
 cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever worry
 about running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation for
 hours at a time.  The phone is amazing.
 
 I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as the
 Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus model.
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 Robert Stigile
 Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
 
 Kelly
 I  realize you asked about the 15.
 I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine months!
 I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
 I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
 This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone calling and
 using my hotspot with the braillesense!
 Hope this helps!
 Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
 National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
 Valley Chapter
 818-381-9568
 Kn6uvd
 
> On Sep 23, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> I am curious for those of you who have chosen the 15 Max over the Pro,
> what lead you to choose the Max? Battery life or something else. My
> understanding is that the biggest differences are screen size, battery
> life and the depth for zooming with the camera.
> 
> Kelly
> 
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RE: Re: Pro vs Max

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

15 Plus: 23 hours
15 Pro: 26 hours
15 Max: 29 hours


- Original Message -
From: lenron brown 
Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max

Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.
On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as heavily
> as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, so I think the
> odds are good it would last through a whole day if I did use the GPS
> extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the battery life on the Max is
> better, just saying it's surprisingly good on the regular Pro as well.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not
>> like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, aside
>> from the price, is the screen size. I can't imagine holding this thing in
>> one hand and actually doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 R. So
>> I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like according
>> to rumors, next year's Apple phones are going to be bigger than this
>> year's. I have an iPad mini. I don't need another one.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kelly,
>>>
>>> Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery
>>> life.
>>>
>>> Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging
>>> cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever worry
>>> about running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation for
>>> hours at a time.  The phone is amazing.
>>>
>>> I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as the
>>> Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus model.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Robert Stigile
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>> I  realize you asked about the 15.
>>> I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine months!
>>> I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
>>> I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
>>> This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone calling and
>>> using my hotspot with the braillesense!
>>> Hope this helps!
>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>>> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
>>> Valley Chapter
>>> 818-381-9568
>>> Kn6uvd
>>>
 On Sep 23, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:

 I am curious for those of you who have chosen the 15 Max over the Pro,
 what lead you to choose the Max? Battery life or something else. My
 understanding is that the biggest differences are screen size, battery
 life and the depth for zooming with the camera.

 Kelly


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RE: RE: Pro vs Max

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

Battery life on the 15 Pro is 
23 hours, 29 on the Max.

- Original Message -
From: "M. Taylor" 
Date: 09/23/2023 06:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pro vs Max

Hi Kelly,
Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery life.
Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging cable with 
me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever worry about running 
out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation for hours at a time.  The 
phone is amazing.
I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as the Pro 
Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus model.
Mark
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Stigile
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
Kelly
I  realize you asked about the 15.
I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine months!
I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone calling and using my 
hotspot with the braillesense!
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Chapter
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> On Sep 23, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> I am curious for those of you who have chosen the 15 Max over the Pro, what 
> lead you to choose the Max? Battery life or something else. My understanding 
> is that the biggest differences are screen size, battery life and the depth 
> for zooming with the camera.
> 
> Kelly
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RE: Re: VDScan and iOS 17 issues

[Richard Turner]

Since then, Winston posted an update that fixed the problem for those of us who 
had it.
So, all is working fine now.




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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dulce 
Muccio Weisenborn
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: VDScan and iOS 17 issues

Allow VDSCAN to access
Camera
Siri and Search
Cellular Data
Document Storage, iCloud Drive


- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner 
Date: 09/23/2023 03:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VDScan and iOS 17 issues

Not the settings in the app, but go to the regular settings on the phone, go 
down to VDScan and see what it says in there.
 

   

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   (Sent from my iPhone)
  
On Sep 23, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
  

  

  

   Language autodect is turned on.
   Scan tone is on.
   Always enhance images is on.
   Read text automatically is on.
   Show plain text after recognizing is on.
   

   I see no mention of the camera under settings.
   

   Hope that helps.
   

   Tom
   
On Sep 23, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
   

   

   I just purchased the iPhone 15 max yesterday. VD scan is working here.


 

  On Sep 23, 2023, at 12:36 PM, Lisa Belville  
wrote:
 

   Hi, Richard.
   
 
   Sadly, yes. I wrote to Winston on Thursday morning and he got back to me 
this morning. Neither his update nor the 17.0.1 update has corrected the issue. 
VO tells me the app is opening, but it doesn't. However, the app is in the app 
switcher.
   
 
   I've tried several hard resets and I've completely removed and 
re-downloaded the app.
   
 
   It's like the app isn't completely opening or something.
   
 
   Winston asked me if I had any odd settings tweaked on my phone and I do 
not, but I'm not sure what I should be looking for..
   
 
   I hope that enough of us with this issue can help him find a solution. 
I'm also happy to see he's being so responsive.
 
   
 


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On 9/23/2023 11:08 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

 
Greetings,
Has anyone had problems using VDScan after updating to iOS 17 or 17.0.1?
On my 13 pro, it won't open.
Winston Chen cannot duplicate this on two different devices.
So, checking to see if others are having issues.
For me, I try launching the app, I end up back on the main screen, but 
VDScan shows up in the app switcher.
Checking the settings, it says nothing about camera access.
I have deleted and reinstalled the app several times, and reset network 
settings.
I'm not ready to reset all settings as that is a royal pain in the ….
 
 

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RE: Re: VDScan and iOS 17 issues

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

Allow VDSCAN to access
Camera
Siri and Search
Cellular Data
Document Storage, iCloud Drive


- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner 
Date: 09/23/2023 03:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VDScan and iOS 17 issues

Not the settings in the app, but go to the regular settings on the phone, go 
down to VDScan and see what it says in there.
 

   

   Richard, USA
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   (Sent from my iPhone)
  
On Sep 23, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
  

  

  

   Language autodect is turned on.
   Scan tone is on.
   Always enhance images is on.
   Read text automatically is on.
   Show plain text after recognizing is on.
   

   I see no mention of the camera under settings.
   

   Hope that helps.
   

   Tom
   
On Sep 23, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
   

   

   I just purchased the iPhone 15 max yesterday. VD scan is working here.


 

  On Sep 23, 2023, at 12:36 PM, Lisa Belville  
wrote:
 

   Hi, Richard.
   
 
   Sadly, yes. I wrote to Winston on Thursday morning and he got back to me 
this morning. Neither his update nor the 17.0.1 update has corrected the issue. 
VO tells me the app is opening, but it doesn't. However, the app is in the app 
switcher.
   
 
   I've tried several hard resets and I've completely removed and 
re-downloaded the app.
   
 
   It's like the app isn't completely opening or something.
   
 
   Winston asked me if I had any odd settings tweaked on my phone and I do 
not, but I'm not sure what I should be looking for..
   
 
   I hope that enough of us with this issue can help him find a solution. 
I'm also happy to see he's being so responsive.
 
   
 


Lisa Belville 
   missktlab1...@frontier.com  
On 9/23/2023 11:08 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

 
Greetings,
Has anyone had problems using VDScan after updating to iOS 17 or 17.0.1?
On my 13 pro, it won't open.
Winston Chen cannot duplicate this on two different devices.
So, checking to see if others are having issues.
For me, I try launching the app, I end up back on the main screen, but 
VDScan shows up in the app switcher.
Checking the settings, it says nothing about camera access.
I have deleted and reinstalled the app several times, and reset network 
settings.
I'm not ready to reset all settings as that is a royal pain in the ….
 
 

Richard, USA.
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it." -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
 
 

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RE: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[Richard Turner]

First, Kathy, if you are asking how long the 12 mini will be supported, no one 
knows exactly other than maybe Apple; however, considering the XR is a couple 
years older than the 12 mini and it is able to run iOS 17, I would guess the 12 
mini will be supported for at least 2 more years, if not more.

Terri asked a lot of questions.
First, as far as I can tell, for object identification and OCR the new 48 pixel 
camera in the 15 pro won't make those functions any better.  The higher the 
pixels perhaps the better the picture for someone sighted but for the kind of 
stuff most blind people need, you do not need that level of camera.

I would check with Apple about the USBC cable that will come with the 15 models 
to find out if the end that goes into the charging block is also USBC, which I 
suspect it is.  That would mean you need a charging block with the USBC port 
not the standard USB A port.

Note, the chip in the 15 and 15 plus is the same chip as in the 14 pro, so if 
that is at all important to you, it will be less expensive to go with the 14 
pro if you decide to upgrade this year.

I personally have the 13 pro and see nothing to make me want to upgrade to the 
15 pro.  I'll probably stick with this phone for several years and will replace 
the battery when the time comes.

That is what I can remember to address in your questions.  
Most decisions to upgrade are based on exactly what features you want.

HTH,



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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Blackburn
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

For how much longer will this model be supported?

Kathy Blackburn
kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Sep 24, 2023 12:58 PM, Fred Olver 
 wrote:
>
> Terri, Since I don't feel it necessary to have the latest and 
> greatest, please try and understand my bias. My personal choice would 
> be for you to invest in the second generation IPhone S.E. The cost is 
> substantially less than any of the more modern phones and you would 
> not be sacrificing very much in terms of optical recognition. Also, 
> you would be able to continue to use your various charging devices and 
> chords because the S.E. has the lightning port.
> Fred Olver - Original Message -
> From: "Terri Stimmel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:23 PM
> Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments
>
>
> > Hello everyone,
> > 
> > 
> > First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and 
> > opinions on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with 
> > them, in the stores. I always find this sort of stuff helpful.
> > 
> > 
> > I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do 
> > it. I love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. 
> > It still works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it.
> > 
> > 
> > However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade 
> > now, it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so.
> > Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the 
> > cost of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this 
> > phone. But this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things, 
> > if I ever want to upgrade.
> > 
> > 
> > My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service 
> > message on it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I 
> > could do that, and use this phone for longer. But a part of me 
> > thinks that it is just better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead.
> > 
> > 
> > I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know 
> > some of this will be opinion. That is fine by me.
> > 
> > However, some of you on this list know way much more about these 
> > sorts of things than I do. That is something I have really come to 
> > appreciate over the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of 
> > this list.
> > 
> > 
> > I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want 
> > to hold the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see 
> > which one I might be most comfortable with.
> > 
> > 
> > I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would 
> > know all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. 
> > That would just be too large of a device for me.
> > 
> > 
> > I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging. 
> > 
> > However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need? 
> > 
> > 
> > I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of 
> > charging. I know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual 
> > charging blocks, because I have so many devices, that this just 
> > 

Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[Mary Otten]

So what chip is in the second generation SE? Compared to the 12 mini? If 
they’re very close to the same, I don’t think it would be worth it to purchase 
an SE. That phone might go out of Support at about the same time as your 12 
mini. I have a 10 r, and I’m expecting that next year it won’t get an upgrade 
to the newest OS.  If you purchased a 15, you would have it for five years of 
use, based on Apple‘s track record of how long iPhones get updated. I’m quite 
sure that the second generation se is not going to get five more years of 
updates. So, I guess it’s up to you depending on the difference in the cost. 
But if it was me, I would get a 15 if I couldn’t swing a 15 pro.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 10:58 AM, Fred Olver  wrote:
> 
> Terri, Since I don't feel it necessary to have the latest and greatest, 
> please try and understand my bias. My personal choice would be for you to 
> invest in the second generation IPhone S.E. The cost is substantially less 
> than any of the more modern phones and you would not be sacrificing very much 
> in terms of optical recognition. Also, you would be able to continue to use 
> your various charging devices and chords because the S.E. has the lightning 
> port.
> Fred Olver - Original Message - From: "Terri Stimmel" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:23 PM
> Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments
> 
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and opinions 
>> on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in the stores. 
>> I always find this sort of stuff helpful.
>> 
>> 
>> I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it. I 
>> love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It still 
>> works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it.
>> 
>> 
>> However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now, it 
>> would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so. Right 
>> now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the cost of my 
>> next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this phone. But this is 
>> the way I have to go about these sorts of things, if I ever want to upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message on 
>> it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do that, and 
>> use this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is just better to 
>> go ahead and do the upgrade instead.
>> 
>> 
>> I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some of 
>> this will be opinion. That is fine by me.
>> 
>> However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts of 
>> things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate over 
>> the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list.
>> 
>> 
>> I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to hold 
>> the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which one I 
>> might be most comfortable with.
>> 
>> 
>> I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would know 
>> all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That would 
>> just be too large of a device for me.
>> 
>> 
>> I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging.
>> 
>> However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need?
>> 
>> 
>> I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I 
>> know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks, because 
>> I have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or, I have 
>> friends that come over, who need to charge their stuff.
>> 
>> 
>> I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the camera. 
>> I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's camera.
>> 
>> 
>> However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for me. I 
>> use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more than that 
>> though. I am still not always the best at taking a picture. I hope that this 
>> might improve in time. I just don't always understand how, or where to aim 
>> the camera.
>> 
>> 
>> Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have now, to 
>> the 14 pro, or the 15 pro?
>> 
>> 
>> I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of course, I 
>> won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store.
>> 
>> 
>> What do you all think?
>> 
>> Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Terri
>> 
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RE: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[realman02 via VIPhone]

I agree with not getting an SE. If you get a later model it will be supported 
longer by apple. You'r einvesting in a phone that should last you seveal years. 
 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Blackburn
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

For how much longer will this model be supported?

Kathy Blackburn
kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Sep 24, 2023 12:58 PM, Fred Olver 
 wrote:
>
> Terri, Since I don't feel it necessary to have the latest and greatest, 
> please try and understand my bias. My personal choice would be for you to 
> invest in the second generation IPhone S.E. The cost is substantially less 
> than any of the more modern phones and you would not be sacrificing very 
> much in terms of optical recognition. Also, you would be able to continue to 
> use your various charging devices and chords because the S.E. has the 
> lightning port. 
> Fred Olver - Original Message - 
> From: "Terri Stimmel"  
> To:  
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:23 PM 
> Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments 
>
>
> > Hello everyone, 
> > 
> > 
> > First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and opinions 
> > on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in the 
> > stores. I always find this sort of stuff helpful. 
> > 
> > 
> > I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it. I 
> > love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It still 
> > works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it. 
> > 
> > 
> > However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now, 
> > it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so. 
> > Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the cost 
> > of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this phone. But 
> > this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things, if I ever want 
> > to upgrade. 
> > 
> > 
> > My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message on 
> > it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do that, 
> > and use this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is just 
> > better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead. 
> > 
> > 
> > I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some of 
> > this will be opinion. That is fine by me. 
> > 
> > However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts of 
> > things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate over 
> > the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list. 
> > 
> > 
> > I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to hold 
> > the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which one I 
> > might be most comfortable with. 
> > 
> > 
> > I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would know 
> > all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That would 
> > just be too large of a device for me. 
> > 
> > 
> > I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging. 
> > 
> > However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need? 
> > 
> > 
> > I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I 
> > know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks, 
> > because I have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or, I 
> > have friends that come over, who need to charge their stuff. 
> > 
> > 
> > I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the 
> > camera. I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's 
> > camera. 
> > 
> > 
> > However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for me. 
> > I use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more than 
> > that though. I am still not always the best at taking a picture. I hope 
> > that this might improve in time. I just don't always understand how, or 
> > where to aim the camera. 
> > 
> > 
> > Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have now, to 
> > the 14 pro, or the 15 pro? 
> > 
> > 
> > I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of course, 
> > I won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store. 
> > 
> > 
> > What do you all think? 
> > 
> > Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated. 
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you, 
> > 
> > 
> > Terri 
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Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Terri, 

I hesitate to offer advice on these sort of questions since they are 
subjectively and economically dependent. 

I understand your battery issue and don't disagree that something needs to be 
done. But I'm a huge fan of my iPhone 13 Mini and the plain fact is that 
getting a Mini in the future will be all but impossible unless you want a used 
device. I would encourage you to get a feel for the size of the phones you're 
considering since I expect they will feel substantially different from your 12 
Mini. And you should know that a 15 Plus is the same physical size as the 15 
Pro Max. 

I'm going to disagree with Fred that you should consider one of the SE models 
whether the second or third generation. I don't think someone who has gotten 
used to a device without a home button should return to one with one. 

I hope you find something you like and get it at a very good price. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and opinions on 
> the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in the stores. I 
> always find this sort of stuff helpful.
> 
> 
> I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it. I 
> love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It still works 
> quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it.
> 
> 
> However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now, it 
> would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so. Right now, 
> I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the cost of my next 
> phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this phone. But this is the 
> way I have to go about these sorts of things, if I ever want to upgrade.
> 
> 
> My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message on it, 
> that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do that, and use 
> this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is just better to go 
> ahead and do the upgrade instead.
> 
> 
> I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some of 
> this will be opinion. That is fine by me.
> 
> However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts of 
> things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate over the 
> years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list.
> 
> 
> I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to hold 
> the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which one I 
> might be most comfortable with.
> 
> 
> I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would know all 
> of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That would just be 
> too large of a device for me.
> 
> 
> I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging.
> 
> However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need?
> 
> 
> I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I know 
> I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks, because I 
> have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or, I have friends 
> that come over, who need to charge their stuff.
> 
> 
> I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the camera. I 
> never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's camera.
> 
> 
> However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for me. I 
> use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more than that 
> though. I am still not always the best at taking a picture. I hope that this 
> might improve in time. I just don't always understand how, or where to aim 
> the camera.
> 
> 
> Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have now, to the 
> 14 pro, or the 15 pro?
> 
> 
> I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of course, I 
> won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store.
> 
> 
> What do you all think?
> 
> Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Terry,

I wouldn’t recommend getting an SE because I’m pretty sure it uses an older 
chip than either the iPhone 14 Pro or any of the iPhone 15s. The newer the chip 
you buy, the longer your phone is likely to get updates. Also, I don’t think 
the SE has the ability for precision finding using AirTags and such. USBC 
charging could be nice, as lots of devices use it. Also, if you have AirPods or 
an Apple Watch, you can apparently charge them from your phone, which could be 
nice in a pinch. I would recommend the iPhone 14 Pro over the 15, since they 
use the same chip, the Pro models have LIDAR, and the camera on both is really 
good. The 15 Pro has a newer chip, though, and USBC charging, so it is 
definitely worth considering.

Good luck,
Anna

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Fred Olver  wrote:
> 
> Terri, Since I don't feel it necessary to have the latest and greatest, 
> please try and understand my bias. My personal choice would be for you to 
> invest in the second generation IPhone S.E. The cost is substantially less 
> than any of the more modern phones and you would not be sacrificing very much 
> in terms of optical recognition. Also, you would be able to continue to use 
> your various charging devices and chords because the S.E. has the lightning 
> port.
> Fred Olver - Original Message - From: "Terri Stimmel" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:23 PM
> Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments
> 
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and opinions 
>> on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in the stores. 
>> I always find this sort of stuff helpful.
>> 
>> 
>> I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it. I 
>> love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It still 
>> works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it.
>> 
>> 
>> However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now, it 
>> would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so. Right 
>> now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the cost of my 
>> next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this phone. But this is 
>> the way I have to go about these sorts of things, if I ever want to upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message on 
>> it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do that, and 
>> use this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is just better to 
>> go ahead and do the upgrade instead.
>> 
>> 
>> I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some of 
>> this will be opinion. That is fine by me.
>> 
>> However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts of 
>> things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate over 
>> the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list.
>> 
>> 
>> I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to hold 
>> the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which one I 
>> might be most comfortable with.
>> 
>> 
>> I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would know 
>> all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That would 
>> just be too large of a device for me.
>> 
>> 
>> I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging.
>> 
>> However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need?
>> 
>> 
>> I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I 
>> know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks, because 
>> I have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or, I have 
>> friends that come over, who need to charge their stuff.
>> 
>> 
>> I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the camera. 
>> I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's camera.
>> 
>> 
>> However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for me. I 
>> use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more than that 
>> though. I am still not always the best at taking a picture. I hope that this 
>> might improve in time. I just don't always understand how, or where to aim 
>> the camera.
>> 
>> 
>> Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have now, to 
>> the 14 pro, or the 15 pro?
>> 
>> 
>> I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of course, I 
>> won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store.
>> 
>> 
>> What do you all think?
>> 
>> Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Terri
>> 
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Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[Kathy Blackburn]

For how much longer will this model be supported?

Kathy Blackburn
kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Sep 24, 2023 12:58 PM, Fred Olver 
 wrote:
>
> Terri, Since I don't feel it necessary to have the latest and greatest, 
> please try and understand my bias. My personal choice would be for you to 
> invest in the second generation IPhone S.E. The cost is substantially less 
> than any of the more modern phones and you would not be sacrificing very 
> much in terms of optical recognition. Also, you would be able to continue to 
> use your various charging devices and chords because the S.E. has the 
> lightning port. 
> Fred Olver - Original Message - 
> From: "Terri Stimmel"  
> To:  
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:23 PM 
> Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments 
>
>
> > Hello everyone, 
> > 
> > 
> > First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and opinions 
> > on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in the 
> > stores. I always find this sort of stuff helpful. 
> > 
> > 
> > I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it. I 
> > love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It still 
> > works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it. 
> > 
> > 
> > However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now, 
> > it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so. 
> > Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the cost 
> > of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this phone. But 
> > this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things, if I ever want 
> > to upgrade. 
> > 
> > 
> > My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message on 
> > it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do that, 
> > and use this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is just 
> > better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead. 
> > 
> > 
> > I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some of 
> > this will be opinion. That is fine by me. 
> > 
> > However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts of 
> > things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate over 
> > the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list. 
> > 
> > 
> > I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to hold 
> > the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which one I 
> > might be most comfortable with. 
> > 
> > 
> > I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would know 
> > all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That would 
> > just be too large of a device for me. 
> > 
> > 
> > I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging. 
> > 
> > However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need? 
> > 
> > 
> > I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I 
> > know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks, 
> > because I have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or, I 
> > have friends that come over, who need to charge their stuff. 
> > 
> > 
> > I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the 
> > camera. I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's 
> > camera. 
> > 
> > 
> > However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for me. 
> > I use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more than 
> > that though. I am still not always the best at taking a picture. I hope 
> > that this might improve in time. I just don't always understand how, or 
> > where to aim the camera. 
> > 
> > 
> > Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have now, to 
> > the 14 pro, or the 15 pro? 
> > 
> > 
> > I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of course, 
> > I won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store. 
> > 
> > 
> > What do you all think? 
> > 
> > Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated. 
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you, 
> > 
> > 
> > Terri 
> > 
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Re: Pro vs Max

[lenron brown]

Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.

On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don’t use the battery as heavily
> as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, so I think the
> odds are good it would last through a whole day if I did use the GPS
> extensively for a day. I’m not doubting that the battery life on the Max is
> better, just saying it’s surprisingly good on the regular Pro as well.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> I can’t remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not
>> like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, aside
>> from the price, is the screen size. I can’t imagine holding this thing in
>> one hand and actually doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 R. So
>> I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like according
>> to rumors, next year’s Apple phones are going to be bigger than this
>> year‘s. I have an iPad mini. I don’t need another one.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kelly,
>>>
>>> Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery
>>> life.
>>>
>>> Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging
>>> cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever worry
>>> about running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation for
>>> hours at a time.  The phone is amazing.
>>>
>>> I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as the
>>> Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus model.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Robert Stigile
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>> I  realize you asked about the 15.
>>> I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine months!
>>> I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
>>> I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
>>> This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone calling and
>>> using my hotspot with the braillesense!
>>> Hope this helps!
>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>>> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
>>> Valley Chapter
>>> 818-381-9568
>>> Kn6uvd
>>>
 On Sep 23, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:

 I am curious for those of you who have chosen the 15 Max over the Pro,
 what lead you to choose the Max? Battery life or something else. My
 understanding is that the biggest differences are screen size, battery
 life and the depth for zooming with the camera.

 Kelly


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Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[Fred Olver]

Terri, Since I don't feel it necessary to have the latest and greatest, 
please try and understand my bias. My personal choice would be for you to 
invest in the second generation IPhone S.E. The cost is substantially less 
than any of the more modern phones and you would not be sacrificing very 
much in terms of optical recognition. Also, you would be able to continue to 
use your various charging devices and chords because the S.E. has the 
lightning port.
Fred Olver - Original Message - 
From: "Terri Stimmel" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:23 PM
Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments



Hello everyone,


First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and opinions 
on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in the 
stores. I always find this sort of stuff helpful.



I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it. I 
love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It still 
works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it.



However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now, 
it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so. 
Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the cost 
of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this phone. But 
this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things, if I ever want 
to upgrade.



My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message on 
it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do that, 
and use this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is just 
better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead.



I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some of 
this will be opinion. That is fine by me.


However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts of 
things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate over 
the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list.



I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to hold 
the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which one I 
might be most comfortable with.



I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would know 
all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That would 
just be too large of a device for me.



I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging.

However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need?


I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I 
know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks, 
because I have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or, I 
have friends that come over, who need to charge their stuff.



I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the 
camera. I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's 
camera.



However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for me. 
I use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more than 
that though. I am still not always the best at taking a picture. I hope 
that this might improve in time. I just don't always understand how, or 
where to aim the camera.



Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have now, to 
the 14 pro, or the 15 pro?



I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of course, 
I won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store.



What do you all think?

Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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[Ann M Medlar]

I forgot my password for my Gmail email account.

I use this email on Mac, iPhone, iPad and windows desktop.

Went to Google and went to forgot my password.  

I used iPhone for Google verification code.  

I entered this number on desktop.   

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Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and 
opinions on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in 
the stores. I always find this sort of stuff helpful.



I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it. 
I love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It 
still works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it.



However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now, 
it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so. 
Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the 
cost of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this 
phone. But this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things, if 
I ever want to upgrade.



My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message 
on it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do 
that, and use this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is 
just better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead.



I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some 
of this will be opinion. That is fine by me.


However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts 
of things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate 
over the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list.



I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to 
hold the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which 
one I might be most comfortable with.



I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would 
know all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That 
would just be too large of a device for me.



I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging.

However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need?


I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I 
know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks, 
because I have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or, 
I have friends that come over, who need to charge their stuff.



I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the 
camera. I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's 
camera.



However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for 
me. I use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more 
than that though. I am still not always the best at taking a picture. I 
hope that this might improve in time. I just don't always understand 
how, or where to aim the camera.



Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have now, 
to the 14 pro, or the 15 pro?



I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of 
course, I won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store.



What do you all think?

Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: Question about when I upgrade

[realman02 via VIPhone]

My suggestion is to get rid of the apps you no longer want or need, download 
the apps you want, do a backup of  your old phone and then upgrade using what's 
backed up. Ideally doing an encrypted backup using Itunes lets you move more 
things like passwords, etc, to your new device. 


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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about when I upgrade

This is just my opinion, but I think it's always best to start from scratch 
This way you don't propagate those mistakes you made on your previous device. 
That being said, I always bring everything forward in iCloud. I'm just too lazy 
to go through all of those settings I've tweaked. Note on Windows, I do always 
start from scratch.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 11:51 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Question about when I upgrade

Hi,
Does anyone have thoughts on what is best when upgrading, whether one should 
start fresh with the phone or whether one should always get what was saved from 
iCloud. I'll be upgrading from the 12 basic to the
15 pro, and I noticed that when I upgraded from the XR to the 12, I simply got 
what was saved on iCloud. It was the same settings and same layout as before, 
and somewhere along that time I got apps that weren't being used anymore or 
that I had downloaded and didn't need. I guess the question is whether I should 
start from scratch on this new phone and download the apps I want or whether I 
should get what I want from icloud and keep everything I've had for years in 
the way of older apps and layout and such.
Tom

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RE: Question about when I upgrade

[Christopher Chaltain]

This is just my opinion, but I think it's always best to start from scratch. 
This way you don't propagate those mistakes you made on your previous device. 
That being said, I always bring everything forward in iCloud. I'm just too lazy 
to go through all of those settings I've tweaked. Note on Windows, I do always 
start from scratch.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 11:51 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Question about when I upgrade

Hi,
Does anyone have thoughts on what is best when upgrading, whether one should 
start fresh with the phone or whether one should always get what was saved from 
iCloud. I'll be upgrading from the 12 basic to the
15 pro, and I noticed that when I upgraded from the XR to the 12, I simply got 
what was saved on iCloud. It was the same settings and same layout as before, 
and somewhere along that time I got apps that weren't being used anymore or 
that I had downloaded and didn't need. I guess the question is whether I should 
start from scratch on this new phone and download the apps I want or whether I 
should get what I want from icloud and keep everything I've had for years in 
the way of older apps and layout and such.
Tom

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Question about when I upgrade

[Tom Cramer]

Hi,
Does anyone have thoughts on what is best when upgrading, whether one
should start fresh with the phone or whether one should always get
what was saved from iCloud. I'll be upgrading from the 12 basic to the
15 pro, and I noticed that when I upgraded from the XR to the 12, I
simply got what was saved on iCloud. It was the same settings and same
layout as before, and somewhere along that time I got apps that
weren't being used anymore or that I had downloaded and didn't need. I
guess the question is whether I should start from scratch on this new
phone and download the apps I want or whether I should get what I want
from icloud and keep everything I've had for years in the way of older
apps and layout and such.
Tom

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RE: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and iPhone 15 Pro Max Running iOS 17.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am surprised your husband didn't give the Apple Store rep a piece of his 
mind, if he or she would have been disrespectful to my wife I would have 
immediately asked to speak to a manager and explained to them that this was 
certainly not the right way to treat a customer and then I would have asked if 
somebody without the attitude could help us.

As for the issues with battery life on your SE 2022, a complete reset and 
starting from scratch is definitely the recommended course of action. It's a 
pain in the neck (or lower), but while it is inconvenient and takes time, 
setting up a phone from scratch every few years and slowly adding back apps, 
customizing settings and all that can be a very good thing.

And finally here an article about that iPhone 15 Pro drop test which I read 
everybody says has to be taken with a grain of salt as it seem to be the first 
one of this kind so I think we'll have to see if other tests confirm what this 
guy discovered. I think, by the way, it's ridiculous what people do to get 
clicks and likes, apparently he flew all the way to Australia because of the 
time difference so he can get his hands on an iPhone 15 Pro a few hours earlier 
and do this. Until people stop wasting these types of resources humanity will 
never get ahead in their fight against reducing emuissions and a more 
sustainable approach to living on this planet; just my two cents worth 
regarding this:

In what is most likely the first drop test of the new titanium iPhone 15 Pro, a 
reviewer flew to Sydney, Australia, and pitted the handset in a series of drops 
against the stainless steel iPhone 14 Pro.
It wasn’t pretty. In fact, after doing OK in a few little drops, how the iPhone 
15 Pro fared in bigger drops was shocking — even disturbing. The older
iPhone won, to say the least. Early drop tests damage titanium iPhone 15 Pro 
far more than its stainless steel predecessor
In the YouTube video by AppleTrack’s Sam Kohl, the 6-foot-tall reviewer starts 
off with some waist-high drops of iPhone 15 Pro
 and 14 Pro on concrete in front of the Sydney Opera House. Watch it below.
“I flew all the way to Australia to get the iPhone 15 early and drop test it vs 
the iPhone 14 Pro!” He wrote on the video page. “And as it turns out …
the titanium iPhone 15 Pro isn’t as strong as I thought it would be.”
That’s an understatement. In the video, he becomes increasingly flabbergasted 
at how badly the titanium phone handles the bigger drops.
Low drops did little harm
group start It only took roughly 6-foot drops and a bit higher to badly crack 
iPhone 15 Pro’s front and back. Photo: AppleTrack
It only took roughly 6-foot drops and a bit higher to badly crack iPhone 15 
Pro's front and back.
Both the iPhone 15 Pro and 14 Pro do fine in the first few drops on their 
edges, glass backs and screens, with barely a nick here and there.
But as the drops get higher, up around face-high, the new handset starts to get 
into trouble. Spiderweb cracking shows up first on the glass back. The
iPhone 14 Pro just shows wear on the edges.
iPhone 14 Pro soon shows its mettle
After quite a few drops, the iPhone 14 Pro still only suffered some nicks on 
the edges.
Before it’s over, the entertaining video shows the iPhone 15 Pro developing 
cracks all over the front and back while the older handset looks almost perfect.
The reviewer seeks out higher and higher drops, eventually going to a roughly 
40-foot drop from a walkway down to a plaza’s pavement. That’s a big drop
for any phone, and it finally caused cracking on the iPhone 14 Pro’s front and 
back.
But the already-trashed iPhone 14 Pro saw its camera assembly pop out on the 
40-footer. And its screen already had stopped functioning in the previous
drops. Meanwhile, the iPhone 14 Pro still worked fine even after the huge drop.
Rounded edges may be a problem
Photo image of AppleTrack
iPhone 15 Pro DROP TEST! Is Titanium STRONGER?
Kohl speculates in the video that iPhone 15 Pro’s rounded titanium edges may 
actually enable impact to spread cracks to the front and back glass more easily
than iPhone 14 Pro’s straight stainless-steel banded edges.
For that or other reasons, the iPhone 14 Pro absorbed or perhaps deflected 
impact much better than the new handset.
It will be interesting to see what more carefully executed drop testing might 
reveal about iPhone 15 series handsets’ durability.
In the meantime, let’s just say if you buy a new iPhone 15, now’s not the time 
to experiment with going without a case.

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From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 6:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and iPhone 
15 Pro Max Running iOS 17.

Hi Marda,

Thank you for posting such an interesting reply to this thread.

It is difficult to believe that, even in 2023, a store rep would treat you 
differently than your husband.  I continue to hear such things and it truly 
saddens me 

RE: 17 developer Beta and phone app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For me it is as Richard says, double tapping an entry in the Recents tab 
immediately initiates a call back to that number.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 6:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 17 developer Beta and phone app

I have not had any problem double tapping on a call in recents and having it 
immediately call the number. I just tested it again, and it worked fine. This 
is on 17.0.1.

Richard, USA
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(Sent from my iPhone)


On Sep 24, 2023, at 5:56 AM, Robert Doc Wright  
wrote:

ever since the last updae before 17 went public I have had problems with the 
phone app.  Normally while in the app with recent calls selected i could make a 
call just by double tapping the caller's name or phone number. Now when I 
double tap instead of calling it splits into three choices:  caller's name, 
report and delete.  if I wish to make a call I must flick up on the name and 
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RE: not grasping autoCorrect

[Richard Turner]

I double checked my settings under General/Keyboard.
I have both autocorrect and predictive text off, but I have Check Spelling on.  
That way it alerts you to misspelled words and you can use the rotor to find 
them and manually correct it.
For what it is worth, I also turn off smart punctuation.  The reason for that 
is if you are searching for a book title in BARD or Bookshare and it has an 
apostrophe, and you have smart punctuation on, it shows up as a single right 
quote, and you likely will not find the title you are searching for.

HTH, 




Richard, USA.
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 8:00 AM
To: Jennie Facer 
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: not grasping autoCorrect

You can turn off auto correction in settings, general and keyboard.

Lyne

> Le 24 sept. 2023 à 10:44, Jennie Facer  a écrit :
> 

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Re: Pro vs Max

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don’t use the battery as heavily as 
some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, so I think the odds 
are good it would last through a whole day if I did use the GPS extensively for 
a day. I’m not doubting that the battery life on the Max is better, just saying 
it’s surprisingly good on the regular Pro as well.

Best,
Anna


> On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I can’t remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not like 
> the battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, aside from the 
> price, is the screen size. I can’t imagine holding this thing in one hand and 
> actually doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 R. So I think the big 
> screens are not good for me. And it looks like according to rumors, next 
> year’s Apple phones are going to be bigger than this year‘s. I have an iPad 
> mini. I don’t need another one. 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kelly,
>> 
>> Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery life.
>> 
>> Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging cable 
>> with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever worry about 
>> running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation for hours at a 
>> time.  The phone is amazing.
>> 
>> I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as the 
>> Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus model.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Robert Stigile
>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>> 
>> Kelly
>> I  realize you asked about the 15.
>> I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine months!
>> I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
>> I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
>> This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone calling and using 
>> my hotspot with the braillesense!
>> Hope this helps!
>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando Valley 
>> Chapter
>> 818-381-9568
>> Kn6uvd
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am curious for those of you who have chosen the 15 Max over the Pro, 
>>> what lead you to choose the Max? Battery life or something else. My 
>>> understanding is that the biggest differences are screen size, battery life 
>>> and the depth for zooming with the camera.
>>> 
>>> Kelly
>>> 
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Reordering the list of focuses?

[Gerardo Corripio]

I've got several focuses on my IPHone aside from "Do not disturb", one of them 
I use very often titled "Reading" whose goal is when I'm watching or reading 
something, I won't receive notifications, except those from family. I'd like to 
know is there a way to reorganize these, so that when I go to the control 
Center and double-tap on the Focus icon, instead of "Don't Disturb" one, the 
"Reading" one would activate by default? Of course it's no bother swiping up or 
down to get to the "Reading" focus and double-tap it, but if there's a way to 
reorder it so that it can be atop the "Don't Disturb", it'd make my life just a 
tab bit more easier!
Though I've got some apps in which the "Reading" focus automatically activates, 
but with other apps, I activate manually; I've found (maybe it's a setting I 
need to tweek somewhere), that when the app automatically activates the 
"Reading" focus, when the screen locks (I've got it set to lock upon 5 minutes 
of inactivity), the "Reading" focus no longer works when on the lock screen! 
But in those apps in which I manually invoke the focus, even on the locked 
screen, it works beautifully!
Thanks in advance.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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Re: not grasping autoCorrect

[Lyne]

You can turn off auto correction in settings, general and keyboard.

Lyne

> Le 24 sept. 2023 à 10:44, Jennie Facer  a écrit :
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RE: not grasping autoCorrect

[Richard Turner]

I personally cannot stand predictive text.  If you want to try autocorrect, 
turn off predictive text so  you are dealing with one feature.

Supposedly, if there is a misspelled word, you can turn the rotor to misspelled 
words and I believe it is a flick left to land on the suggestions.

 

I'd consider contacting Apple Accessibility.

 

 

 

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
dlmlao...@gmail.com
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: not grasping autoCorrect

 

In an attempt to improve my writing and perhaps to assist others, I am at long 
last playing around with functions such as autoCorrect and Predictive text. I 
really don’t get autoCorrect. In Notes on my 12 pro still running iOS16, 
sometimes I get a bubble, mostly I don’t. It doesn’t seem like AugoCorrect in 
Word, where its purpose is to correct whole words. I guess it uses the keyboard 
dictionary, which I believe to be uneditable. I make an intentional error and 
hear nothing. If I hear a bubble, and  this can happen in the middle of a word, 
I’m not entirely sure what to do. I also gather it is good to turn Spoken 
Content on in General Accessibility settings, but this isn’t a VoiceOver 
setting, so I don’t understand the interplay of the settings. I received a 
document from Apple Disability Support which didn’t answer my questions. 

 

Can anybody enlighten me about all this? 

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Re: not grasping autoCorrect

[Jennie Facer]

Hello,

What you need to do is go into settings, accessibility, spoken content, and 
then turn auto correct on. Then it will announce what is in the bubble you 
hear. When you hear the word, press the spacebar to activate or put it in your 
document. Hope this helps.

Jenn
Jennie Facer

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 8:41 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> In an attempt to improve my writing and perhaps to assist others, I am at 
> long last playing around with functions such as autoCorrect and Predictive 
> text. I really don’t get autoCorrect. In Notes on my 12 pro still running 
> iOS16, sometimes I get a bubble, mostly I don’t. It doesn’t seem like 
> AugoCorrect in Word, where its purpose is to correct whole words. I guess it 
> uses the keyboard dictionary, which I believe to be uneditable. I make an 
> intentional error and hear nothing. If I hear a bubble, and  this can happen 
> in the middle of a word, I’m not entirely sure what to do. I also gather it 
> is good to turn Spoken Content on in General Accessibility settings, but this 
> isn’t a VoiceOver setting, so I don’t understand the interplay of the 
> settings. I received a document from Apple Disability Support which didn’t 
> answer my questions. 
>  
> Can anybody enlighten me about all this? 
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not grasping autoCorrect

[dlmlaochi]

In an attempt to improve my writing and perhaps to assist others, I am at
long last playing around with functions such as autoCorrect and Predictive
text. I really don't get autoCorrect. In Notes on my 12 pro still running
iOS16, sometimes I get a bubble, mostly I don't. It doesn't seem like
AugoCorrect in Word, where its purpose is to correct whole words. I guess it
uses the keyboard dictionary, which I believe to be uneditable. I make an
intentional error and hear nothing. If I hear a bubble, and  this can happen
in the middle of a word, I'm not entirely sure what to do. I also gather it
is good to turn Spoken Content on in General Accessibility settings, but
this isn't a VoiceOver setting, so I don't understand the interplay of the
settings. I received a document from Apple Disability Support which didn't
answer my questions. 
 
Can anybody enlighten me about all this? 

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RE: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and iPhone 15 Pro Max Running iOS 17.

[M. Taylor]

Hi Marda,

Thank you for posting such an interesting reply to this thread.

It is difficult to believe that, even in 2023, a store rep would treat you 
differently than your husband.  I continue to hear such things and it truly 
saddens me to no end.  Such things are detestable.

Sadly, many tech stores attempt to blame the customer rather than doing some 
serious troubleshooting.  

I'll bet if you took your devices to a carrier store, they would blame Apple.  
I, too, have encountered such scenarios.  It is awful.

As for the article that states that the 14 models hold up better than the 15 
models, I am not surprised.

So, yesterday, while in the store, as I was holding my beloved 14 in one hand 
and a 15 in the other, an employee of the store, with whom I have more than a 
passing acquaintance, asked, "What do you think of the knew phone?"  

In an extremely quiet and somewhat conspiratorial tone I replied, "Honestly, it 
feels like a cheap piece of plastic."  We both laughed out loud.  It was a 
wonderful moment.

Again, thank you for posting.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Marda  
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 6:59 PM
To: M. Taylor 
Subject: Re: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and iPhone 
15 Pro Max Running iOS 17.

 From an article I read on applevis it seems the voiceover problems are very 
intermittent, have happened with five of their editorial team and another user 
they know of and aren't easily reproduceable because they don't happen every 
time and they happen with really very very few users.  Kind of reminds me of 
medications that have to report certain side effects that happen one time but 
rarely if ever happen.  They have to report it so they cover themselves but the 
risk of it happening is very very low to any given person.  I sort of view the 
voiceover issues in 17 this way.  I was going to first put it on a backup older 
phone as my husband has always done and recommended but even he, generally 
cautious and conservative as he is when it comes to such things, has decided to 
take the plunge and update his primary phone this weekend. Think I will 
probably do the same because my backup phone has apps on it that I like to use 
but I don't use it for phone calls so I can't test things like how it will 
react on calls so I'm figuring I'll probably download and install it as well on 
my primary device.  Thinking though of getting another phone.  I don't really 
want to and it would be a financial hardship but I have been having a lot of 
issues with the
SE2022 that I purchased in March.  One of them is what appears to be a fairly 
common issue, happening to my husband as well with his SE2022 purchased last 
October, where the battery not only drains very very quickly even when the 
phone isn't being used (like for me a couple of days ago I took it out for the 
evening and didn't even use it but it went from 100 percent to 32 percent in 
only about five hours.  I have a case with another battery so could have 
managed but still this is disturbing.  Both of us are having a another issue 
where the phone gets hot very quickly with minimal use, no heavy gaming or 
anything.  He has had the same kind of battery issues too whether he has 
charged his phone in the more traditional way using the ilightning cable or 
with a mag safe battery and charger.  I went to the apple store a few weeks ago 
for these issues plus another one where I was getting crackling sounds and 
seemingly broken up sounds like you'd get when the phone signal is inadequate 
or breaking up but those conditions weren't happening, signal strength was 
strong and all that.  When I took the phone off automaticaly going to 
speakerphone it helped some but the problem still persisted.  I was hoping 
apple would either give me a new battery or a new phone or something since I 
have apple care plus but they did neither.  They told me it could be a problem 
with my carrier or a software issue or a hardware issue (really helpful) and 
they were slightly more helpful to my husband who was with me because the guy 
actually spoke to him respectfully rather than dismissively and condescendingly 
as he did to me.  But even so he basically tried to blame us or the carrier.  A 
totally wasted trip to the store, no resolution of the issue.  So I don't use 
speakerphone anymore and that helped some. But that doesn't sound like a 
carrier issue to me.  If it's a software issue the guy told us we might have to 
actually take everything off the phone and start totally from scratch.  On a 
totally unrelated note, I read an interesting article about the new iPhones 
that are made of titanium.  Yes they are lighter which is neat.  But this 
article did a drop test and compared a 14 pro to a 15 (the 15 being titanium, 
the 14 stainless steel) and let's just say that the titanium didn't hold up 
well when dropped compared to the 14.  So it makes me wonder because I'm not 
hard on phones.  I've only dropped it 

Sony LinkBuds and Pairing

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,

I have a bit of a quirky situation. I have a set of Sony LinkBud wireless 
headphones that I’ve used for a couple years with success.

I was going to pair these with my new iPhone but am having a challenge. The 
case for the headphones still seems to charge them just fine but if I hold down 
the reset button to initiate pairing or reset of the pairing information, for 
the listed times for either task, nothing seems to happen.

According to instructions, there should be different LED lights for various 
modes. Sighted assistance tells me there is no lighting showing up.

I am hesitant to delete the pairing information from my old phone, where the 
headphones still work since it doesn’t seem like so far I’m able to initiate  a 
new pairing request and or delete existing pairing info from the headphones. So 
if I delete the pairing info from the older phone, I’m likely to end up with 
headphones that no longer can be used.

Does anyone else have experience with these headphones? The reset button is a 
small circular button just to the left of the USB-C port on the back side of 
the headphone case.

I’m thinking the answer is no but on the off chance someone knows of some 
second way to start a pairing request or reset the pairing info on the 
headphones, I thought I’d ask. According to online instructions and what I’ve 
done for years, a new pairing request is started by holding the reset button 
for five seconds with the headphone case open. A complete factory reset is 15 
seconds for the same button.

I’ve done both with success several times over the years.

Kelly

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Re: 17 developer Beta and phone app

[Richard Turner]

I have not had any problem double tapping on a call in recents and having it immediately call the number. I just tested it again, and it worked fine. This is on 17.0.1. Richard, USA ——"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley(Sent from my iPhone)On Sep 24, 2023, at 5:56 AM, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:






ever since the last updae before 17 went public I 
have had problems with the phone app.  Normally while in the app with 
recent calls selected i could make a call just by double tapping the caller's 
name or phone number. Now when I double tap instead of calling it splits into 
three choices:  caller's name, report and delete.  if I wish to make a 
call I must flick up on the name and double tap 'more info'.
*When we finally give Yeshua/Jesus full 
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17 developer Beta and phone app

[Robert Doc Wright]

ever since the last updae before 17 went public I have had problems with the 
phone app.  Normally while in the app with recent calls selected i could 
make a call just by double tapping the caller's name or phone number. Now 
when I double tap instead of calling it splits into three choices:  caller's 
name, report and delete.  if I wish to make a call I must flick up on the 
name and double tap 'more info'.
*
When we finally give Yeshua/Jesus full control then we have taken that first 
step toward perfection!

__
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http://familytimes.wrighthere.net:9244/stream

Ask your smart speaker to play Family times on TuneIn
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Bowling league sponsorship
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transportation.
 If 30 people donate $10 we can make this goal and then some.
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Re: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and iPhone 15 Pro Max Running iOS 17.

[lenron brown]

I checked out the 15 pro max in store yesterday, and it is a bit
lighter. Also the button is kind of nice just because you can remap
it. I am still planning on holding off a bit but it might be nice to
upgrade to. At this point the design changes are kind of small so it
looks like the same phone with slight changes that might make a
difference to you. I also think the pro and pro max should have gotten
the faster Usb C cable in the box, but you can buy that one for 29
bucks.

On 9/23/23, Dennis Long  wrote:
> Get the pro max 1tb why not?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 6:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and
> iPhone 15 Pro Max Running iOS 17.
>
> Sieghard,
>
> Thank you for the biggest, laugh out loud moment, I've had all week.
>
> Know what?  You are absolutely right (big, big smile).
>
> I am going to grab one next week.  I am going to do my best to stick with a
> 15 Plus but I'll probably get the Pro Max.  If I get a Pro Max, I will do my
> best to stick with a 256GB but, I don't know.  I might have to get the 1TB.
> Old habits are so difficult to break (smile).
>
> Again, thank you for the wonderful reply and for truly making my day.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 9:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and
> iPhone 15 Pro Max Running iOS 17.
>
> You may as well go and get one since your "perhaps I'll get a 15 Pro Max"
> means "I may not want to say it now, but I'll definitely get one in a couple
> of days"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:56 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and iPhone 15
> Pro Max Running iOS 17.
>
> Hello All,
>
> I first sent this message to the list, yesterday, Friday, at around 12-noon,
> local time but the mailing list servers were down.
>
> So, I am posting this again, now.
>
> Mark
>
> Original Message Posted on Friday, September 22, 2023:
>
> Hello All,
>
> Well, I spent 3 hours in the Apple Store this morning with both a 15 Plus
> and a 15 Pro Max running iOS 17.
>
> As for the physical devices?  They definitely weigh less than the 14
> series.
>
> I am happy to report that I could not reproduce any of the VoiceOver
> problems discussed on the list, of late.
>
> For example, the single-finger, double-tap problem simply does not exist on
> the 15 models I tested.
>
> I had a friend of mine, the executive manager of the store, download a few
> third-party apps such as Amazon, Libby, and Yelp.  To my delight, VoiceOver
> functioned just as expected.
>
> Of course, I was not able to test VoiceOver functionality with my personal
> primary third-party app;  so in no way am I suggesting that my testing was
> definitive or comprehensive.
>
> However, I can say that my first experience with iOS 17 was a good one.
>
> I was delighted to discover that while there were hundreds of preorder
> customers waiting in-line, outside the location, the store had plenty of
> iPhone 15 models, in all four major categories, ready to be purchase by
> those of us who did not preorder.
>
> I wasn't planning on buying a 15 but I have to admit that I really, really
> like that new action button, featured on the Pro models.  Perhaps I'll pick
> up a 15 Pro Max in the next week or so, after I've given it some thought.
>
> I did, however, purchase a set of wired Ear Pods with the USBC connector and
> the USBC to Lightning adaptor so that I can continue to use my already
> purchased Lightning Ear Pods with USBC devices.  It's all about "baby
> steps"
> (smile).
>
> Your Brother in the Journey,
>
> Mark
>
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