in the wheel group as is everyone else by default installing Fedora. A vast
majority of Fedora users have this peculiar UX where `journalctl -k` not not
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On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, at 6:47 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, at 12:11 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
>>
>>
>> Do you want to make Fedora 40 better? Please spend 1 minute of your time and
>> try to run:
>>
>> # Run this only if
l be enabled again
> # This is last time we should do that :)
>
> sudo dnf module reset '*'
>
Uhh haha :)
$ sudo dnf module reset '*'
Last metadata expiration check: 0:03:30 ago on Wed 21 Feb 2024 06:41:04 PM MST.
Unable to resolve argument *
Error: Problems in request:
missing groups o
eeds, up to the point that the user wants an interactive
desktop - and then the kernel needs to (in effect) preempt the resource hungry
processes in favor of user-desktop interactivity. Resource control can do this
but we don't have everything wired up yet, more work is need
, and what component to file a bug against?
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ing to
install is macOS, it will create a VM with UEFI firmware. If you repurpose such
a VM, or clone it, it'll still have UEFI firmware.
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> Chris,
>
> Thanks for responding.
>
> Here's the desired partition scheme:
>
> /boot
> /
> swap
> /var
> /opt
> /usr
> /export/home
It's missing /boot/efi which is required on systems wi
the mount point, is
formatted ext4 (or anything other than EFI file system, which off hand I forget
the term anaconda uses for this format).
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unmount it after the timeout). If /boot is used in fstab, then /efi is used for
the ESP.
I'm pretty sure /efi doesn't exist unless you've (at one time or other)
configured sd-boot instead of grub.
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ime, whatever parent directory is used for the chroots could be
swapped out with a subvolume for a short term work around. It doesn't sound
like the problem happens very quickly.
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ervers would prefer the peak performance in general ?
Maybe. But I'm not aware of any recent data one way or the other, certainly
nothing Fedora specific.
I don't expect full preemption will impact servers in any meaningful way. I
just can't prove that.
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> On Wed, Jul 19 2023 at 06:50:24 PM -0400, Chris Murphy
> wrote:
>> If restricted to desktops, then we can only do it with kernel
>> parameters. That probably means doing it in Anaconda kickstart, with
>> a
On Wed, May 24, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 4:43 PM, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
> Therefore, I am
>> asking if Fedora should use full kernel preemption by default.
>
> https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228
>
> The outstanding
it. But it is the first option on that
page.
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/
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> Chris Murphy wrote:
>> OK I tried this again and discover shim is signed twice.
>>
>> Issuer: C=US, ST=Washington, L=Redmond, O=Microsoft Corporation,
>> CN=Microso
atures, whether or not it's a
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sha256sum hashes.
So maybe there isn't actually a problem other than it's confusing that there
are two signatures that also have different validity periods? I'm not sure what
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On Wed, May 24, 2023, at 2:55 PM, Peter Boy wrote:
>> Am 24.05.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Chris Murphy :
>>
>> I'm pretty sure we no longer have a program manager?
>
> What’s that about?
As I understand it, part of recent Red Hat layoffs. Red Hat and Fedora
program/projec
oss the
visible spectrum, green will appear to be the brightest.
Light purple is OK, Blue, indigo, or yellow tends to be harder to to detect
complex shapes (like letters and numbers) but I'm not sure of the reason(s).
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pretty sure we no longer have a program manager? So I'm kinda expecting a
lot of things to just silently break. I don't know what the fallback plan is.
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ing the default across the board and not
having a boot parameter.
Anyway, it seems like it would be semi-straightforward to do it in Anaconda
just for desktops using kickstart `bootloader --append=` command.
https://pykickstart.readthedocs.io/en/latest/kickstart-docs.html#bootloader
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>
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 5:34 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
>> __
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 10, 2023, at 2:24 PM, Owen Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 12:02 P
On Wed, May 10, 2023, at 7:11 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Chris Murphy said:
>> Read-only drivers, which are the only drivers under discussion here, aren't
>> a per se problem because they can't modify the file system. So they have no
>> complaints abou
ead-only drivers, which are the only drivers under discussion here, aren't a
per se problem because they can't modify the file system. So they have no
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ntents, and perform switch root.
The next most common use case(s), device-mapper and md based, require a pile of
user space programs running to do all the work setting things up. Maybe we can
just get away with two images, a simple fast one and the universal.
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; other hand you claim there's too much kernel+initrd in the boot
> process?
>
> What is it now? Pick one: more initrd or less initrd?
I've only ever said I want faster boot and smaller initrd. Everything else is
pointing out the consequences of alternatives, not advocacy of the
w=windows-11
"The minimum size of this partition is 100 MB, and must be formatted using the
FAT32 file format."
So I'm not sure if Microsoft got the memo, and it's actually vendors' OEM
images that are using large ESP size?
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sight being 20/20 we could have changed grubx64.efi to look for
"grub.static" in the same directory as the EFI program instead of "grub.cfg"
and then there'd only be one grub.cfg and it'd be the real one rather than the
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> On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 01:31:01PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
>> Once upon a time, Chris Murphy said:
>> > What about the increasing growth in linux-firmware and in particular the
>> > NVIDIA firmwa
userspace, systemd and so on in EFI mode.
>
> Good luck with that.
Right. Hence Linux Boot. Dump all the toy drivers in favor of real ones. And a
real user space.
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as of a year ago and it likewise creates a 100M ESP. Maybe Microsoft didn't get
the memo and the space requirement is really something the OEM's are concerned
about? So I expect this problem is not only our problem to solve.
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> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 10:48:11 -0400
> "Chris Murphy" wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> For a long time I've noticed lost history from multiple Terminal
>> tab/windows. It seems like the last tab or
ngth files, e.g. .bash_history-04863.tmp appear
but I don't know what they do, there's nothing in them.
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is belongs as a default, .bashrc or
.bash_profile or some parent file that's copied to create these files (for new
users);
b) if this is (still) an optimal way to go about it;
c) what are the possible negative side effects?
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device Btrfs in KDE and GNOME, so it's not a Cockpit issue.
https://github.com/storaged-project/udisks/issues/802
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https://github.com/coreos/bootupd is doing this automatically
on BIOS firmware systems now or is planning on doing it? At one time they were.
I think the thought process from this point forward is focusing on UEFI Secure
Boot workflows rather than inhere
> thousands of users can talk like this. The least you have to do is test
> and check what effects it has and prove that the concern is unjustified.
The proposal changes a default behavior. It's not itself an override.
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use the write order is eventually
honored by the host. There's a variety of complex journal replay behaviors of
the various file systems that'll come into play (no pun intended).
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>
> In some cases I know that the system is rebuilding the nvidia drivers so that
> graphics work on boot up. I'd like to let that finish and it certainly takes
> more than 15 seconds. But without a blame message, how do we know what needs
ed and I
don't run out either), I'm willing to give it up for practical matters like
simplicity and reduced attack and maintenance surface area.
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to put
their signed efifs drivers on the ESP because that's the only way their
bootloader can read loader/entries to properly draw a boot menu.
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 20/12/2022 19:56, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Great. The gotcha though is this in effect requires a change in the file
>> system currently mounted at /boot, which is ext4. And ext4 isn't supported
>> by sd-
that'd be bad (regardless of
the file system choice).
Also I wonder if there's a way for desktops to opt into this behavior? Or a
way for servers, iot, cloud, and rpm-ostree based systems to opt out? They very
well might have legitimate reasons for very long service shu
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, at 11:00 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Do, 22.12.22 10:56, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
>> Still another idea, we could add a new setting MinRetentionSec=90day
>> which would translate into "not less than 90 days" and wou
10% of
file system size rule) still applies. So in no case would any use case end up
using more space for logs.
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Wow, great news!
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> For example:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2120845
>
> For that matter, grubby likewise steps on *all* BLS snippets found in
> /boot/loader/entries when using the --update=ALL flag, not just the BLS
> sn
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> So I think the first big barrier to entry is answering the questions:
>
> * Enhance parted/libparted to support arbitrary GUIDs and enhance
> blivet to understand the full listing of GUIDs? Or
>
> * Enhance parted/li
i.e. get to sysroot mount
faster thereby obviating the need for a large initrd.
The problem with a large initrd anyway is that we have to load the whole thing
in memory and unpack it. And this will increase boot times. For whatever
reason, the bootloader
repomd. It quickly catches up to, and surpasses, Live media memory consumption.
Off hand, I'm not sure what's producing all the anonymous pages during Live
installation but it's a fairly linear increase as the installation progresses.
Since it's an rsync based installation, I'm currently frow
for Fedora 37.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Linux_Firmware_Minimization
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a very real energy hit of all
this compression and decompression. I don't know how to weigh the costs and
figure out a compromise, but totally ignoring one of the costs is probably
incorrect. For all I know a balanced approach means using xz but at a lower
compr
's tmpfs so it may not be compressed
either (at least it's not subject to swap on zram out of the gate). I'm pretty
sure partitioning happens before the packages are downloaded though, which
means they get stored on disk not in memory.
But the repo metadata is pretty big now and that's a big memory
ed to see the
systemd-oomd messages to see if there's a problem in the logic. It could also
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ere's a problem (firmware confusion) with GPT.
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ader in EFI/FedoraB
At any point of failure, only the EFI/FedoraA bootloader path is used. Once
everything in EFI/FedoraB is committed to stable media, set bootnext FedoraB.
If the boot fails, automatic failback to FedoraA. If the boot succeeds, bootupd
can change bootorder
y manifest as part of a
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pted into a Quick Doc for that
purpose though.
But my understanding of the original poster's issue is that he now has a bunch
of system level customizations. Not so much user level customizations.
Therefore the reuse home directory method wouldn't help much.
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as if there's a button you can
push to fix that. There's no button for train derailments. It's a customized
recovery every time that requires esoteric knowledge. Everything about it is
manual.
Are trains fragile? I'm not sure that's the best description but yeah once they
start going off the rails i
r hey I have that kernel in a btrfs snapshot I created after an F36 clean
install. It should be 5.17.5-300.fc36.x86_64 so the actual command ought to be
cp -r /mnt/root00/usr/lib/modules/5.17.5-300.fc36.x86_64
/mnt/root/usr/lib/modules/
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boots from initially, if you wipe that, you'd be totally screwed on Windows
too. And also these days on Windows you don't get automatic restore points
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> frankly.
Panic is one of the best known paths to data loss.
Before making any further changes, I advise a backup of important user data. Do
not attempt repair or reinstallation until there's at least two independent
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zen steps to repair this setup. They all have to
be exactly correct or it won't work. Much of this logic is in the installer.
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The GUI tool can use efibootmgr to set bootnext or even bootorder.
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On Wed, Oct 5, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Geraldo Simião Kutz wrote:
> On my acer Aspire laptop it's the "esc" key. Works everytime I want to see
> the grub menu.
The gotcha with ESC is that it brings up firmware settings on qemu-kvm when
using UEFI (edk2-ovmf).
ecause
it's reserved by UEFI firmware for one of its menus. And SHIFT has never
worked. Maybe Esc or TAB?
Given this inconsistency, I have a mixed opinion of the hidden GRUB menu.
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On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Allan via devel wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 12:31:11 -0600
> "Chris Murphy" wrote:
>
> The original PinePhone only comes with a 16GB eMMC. Using 4GB for
> journal on that would for sure be insane.
The root file system for this d
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 12:13 PM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 10:12:57AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Fedora uses systemd-journald for system logging. By default it is a
>> persistent log kept on /var, and uses up to 4G disk sp
red the container case at all, that containers running
systemd-journald would have their own journals and retention policy. I wonder
if the container default should have volatile journals? Or forward the journals
to the host by default? But yes I can see how many c
re
rotated weekly, it should mean a given journal file won't have more than a
week's worth of entries. So you'd have between 4-5 weeks worth of entries at
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> completely randomly, I can't reproduce it intentionally.
I haven't seen any gnome-shell crashes since before branch.
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iring grub2 to do
> something it cannot do.
An additional topic is having boot entries for Windows (and macOS) that don't
work in the meantime. While we could just remove the scripts that create these
entries to chainload another bootloader, they're still needed for BIOS systems
which don
iring grub2 to do
> something it cannot do.
An additional topic is having boot entries for Windows (and macOS) that don't
work in the meantime. While we could just remove the scripts that create these
entries to chainload another bootloader, they're still needed for BIOS systems
which don't
station working group discussed it at today's meeting, and there were no
objections to the language change proposal.
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station working group discussed it at today's meeting, and there were no
objections to the language change proposal.
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fibootmgr, and see if desktops want to add a GUI wrapper around it.
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Windows installer drops a payload on the drive, and sets a bootnext for an
entry that points to the Windows bootloader, not via GRUB.
And then, the instant we update either shim or grub, Windows boot will break.
I think working around this is sufficiently tedious no users are li
tance to broaden the scope of the criteria because our
influence has limits, including the infrastructure aspects of extensions that
we can't control (such as the web site itself). So we'd like to see this
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> hi all,
>
> I've been subscribed to this list for a while and I have never seen any
> traffic regarding Silverblue, is there a separate mailing list for
> Silverblue??
Pretty sure most of it happens on Discourse.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> Another is that LUKS filesystem decryption uses a deliberately
>> "memory-hard" algorithm called Argon2 which requires loads of RAM and
>>
yptsetup if there's
significant memory pressure, i.e. high potential that a future Fedora might
fail to open this volume.
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cker list looks short, but there are definitely some
>> tests that have not been run.
>
> Last I checked, flatpak was still broken. Will retest this week.
What's broken with flatpak? I've been using several flatpaks OK since 'dnf
system-upgrad
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> There *is* a workaround, BTW - I didn't mention this in my original
>> mail, and probably should have. At least according to discussion in the
>> bug, micr
Yes, but will you be able to install it? Yes you could go to koji, download the
correct RPMs, and have rpm do it without dnf but... that'd be a pretty saucy
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eplace grub.cfg, it's a static file these
days. The files that change are drop-in files found in /boot/loader/entries and
can be modified with grubby per examples at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GRUB_2#Changing_kernel_command-line_parameters_with_grub
that if the problem is related to a
race condition, the problem may not happen. If that's the case you'll have to
do separate boots with one of the above parameters at a time to see which debug
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I've added a section how to modify /etc/kernel/cmdline in the snapshot before
rebooting.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Chrismurphy/Draft/dualboot_teststation
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tes-testing for both 36
and 37, I'm no longer confident in this write up and have to retest. That
/etc/kernel/cmdline can contain stale information has broken this use case at
the moment, so I need to see if there's a better work around than deletin
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>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Chrismurphy/Draft/dualboot_teststation
I found a small problem, fixed in the latest version.
Gory details:
If you've ever used grubby, an /etc/kernel/cmdline file is created that
co
it sounds to me like
the hardware has become unreliable in some way.
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> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022, at 11:46 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> After that, you can umount the file system. And mount again with '-o
>> rescue=usebackuproot' and hopefully it finds a good backup root, and
>> ca
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022, at 11:46 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> After that, you can umount the file system. And mount again with '-o
> rescue=usebackuproot' and hopefully it finds a good backup root, and
> can fix itself. If it gets confused again, it'll go read only to avoid
> making
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