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From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com
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Subject: Progressive Revelation
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Anyone familiar with the correct chronology for some of the dates quoted?
From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com
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On 5/11/06, Moghaddam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Gilberto,
I was thinking about building a matrix comparing Baha'u'llah's Laws in the
Aqdas with the previous Books. I started with the issue of slavery, since
you've brought this up. Please let me know if there are other verses in the
I'll add this verse in.Why do you feel this approach may bemisleading?BTW, I don't think such fundamental laws as slavery and polygamy were every okay, but the Messengers tried to gradually get rid of the practice over time. Moses didn't allow Jews to take slaves from their own kind, Jesus
On 5/11/06, Moghaddam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, I don't think such fundamental laws as slavery and polygamy were every
okay, but the Messengers tried to gradually get rid of the practice over
time.
I won't comment on polygamy for now. I would treat that one
differently. But I would tend
Dear Susan,
You wrote: It is just that the term itself is derived from
Christianity.
Well, I'm not convinced it didn't originate with
Baha'u'llah... OK, call me a die-hard! ; )
The Guardian translated Gleanings, published in 1952. So,
conceding that the actual phrase originated with him
In a sense, if we look deeply, and carefully, with a sense of the Sacred in
our heart we find Progressive Revelation adumbrated/anticipated/ alluded to
in all the Holy Books.
1] Hinduism
Krishna has promised in the Bhagavad Gita that whenever righteousness is on
the decline, and unrighteousness
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:48:46 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:30:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But the Bahai faith isn't completely dissimilar to those groups. I
think about A thief in the night and the related
Never mind. Joachim gets 1260 from the 42 weeks of Daniel. Which I
think is the same as the Millerites and Sears. So all of this isn't
really independent confirmation. It all just depends on how you read
the Biblical prophecy.
And over the centuries different groups have read the exact same
Gilberto,
At 10:28 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
So all of this isn't really independent confirmation. It all just depends on
how you read the Biblical prophecy.
`Abdu'l-Baha was reported to have said:
The texts of the Holy Books are all symbolical, needing authoritative
interpretation.
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:48:56 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
At 10:28 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
So all of this isn't really independent confirmation. It all just depends
on how you read the Biblical prophecy.
`Abdu'l-Baha was reported to have said:
The texts of the
Do you know how he came up with his prediction? (I don't).
Dear Gilberto,
Yeah, if you read the Book of Revelations there are constant references to
one thousand two hundred and sixty days. There are other references to 3 1/2
days which also figure out to 1260 if you take each day to represent a
In order to get 1260 years from 3 1/2 days, you have to do a double
days-to-years conversion. First you change 3 1/2 days to 3 1/2 years. Then
you make 3 1/2 years (1260 days) into 1260 years.
Dear Mark,
Yes, of course. But if you read the Book of Revelations it becomes pretty
clear that the two
Gilberto,
At 11:07 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
That seems like a really counter-intuitive juxtaposition of ideas. If the
scriptures are just inkblots which can mean anything, then it doesn't makes
sense that an authority can come in and tell you what they mean.
I think it indicates that,
Hi, Susan,
At 12:01 PM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
Yes, of course. But if you read the Book of Revelations it becomes pretty
clear that the two numbers are used interchangeably and Abdu'l-Baha was
hardly the first person to notice this.
A lot of numbers, such as 12 and 40, are repeated in the texts
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From: Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: Progressive Revelation
In a sense, if we look deeply, and carefully, with a sense of the Sacred in
our heart we find Progressive
A lot of numbers, such as 12 and 40, are repeated in the texts of the
Bible. However, they are used in different contexts.
Yes, I agree. What I am suggesting is that 1260 and 3 1/2 were really
interchangeable. And in this case, they are used in the same context.
warmest, Susan
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:46:21 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a sense, if we look deeply, and carefully, with a sense of the Sacred in
our heart we find Progressive Revelation adumbrated/anticipated/ alluded to
in all the Holy Books.
Do you have a specific definition of
|Do you have a specific definition of Progressive Revelation
|that one can refer to? Because looking at the passage you
|quote in the Quran:
Sure, here it is:
http://studycircle.angeltowns.com/progressive.htm
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The term was first used by Baha'u'llah
in the following quote and expanded in the second quote from
Kitab-i-Aqdas footnotes:
snip
... And when this process of progressive
Revelation culminated in the stage at which His peerless, His
most sacred, and exalted Countenance was to be unveiled to
Dear Susan,
Could you be a bit more explicit about this theory, as I'm not
familiar with any possible source in Christian theology.
...he in turn, seems to have gotten it from Christian
theology
While I'm open to a broader understanding of the term, I
feel that because the passage from
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:09:44 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Susan,
Could you be a bit more explicit about this theory, as I'm not
familiar with any possible source in Christian theology.
...he in turn, seems to have gotten it from Christian
theology
There is a
In a message dated 12/20/2004 7:33:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is
a Christian doctrine known as dispensationalism which breakshuman history
into different periods (dispensations) where God dealswith human beings in
a particular way
Dear Gilberto,
In a message dated 12/20/2004 5:06:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
While
I'm open to a "broader" understanding of the term, I feel that because the
passage from Baha'u'llah opens with : "Contemplate with thine inward eye
the chain ofsuccessive Revelations that
Hi, Gilberto,
At 10:54 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
If you didn't have Dispensationalism in mind, which was the Christian concept
you were thinking of which was similar to progressive revelation?
Here is an example:
http://adams.patriot.net/~eastland/slm/
It isn't exactly either premillennial
In a message dated 12/20/2004 10:55:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you
didn't have Dispensationalism in mind, which was the Christianconcept you
were thinking of which was similar to
progressiverevelation?
Dear Gilberto,
I think progressive revelation
In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:30:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But the
Bahai faith isn't completely dissimilar to those groups. Ithink about "A
thief in the night" and the related interpretations ofthe Millerite groups
who as fundamentalists literally
Susan Maneck wrote:
The first millennial movement was started
during the Crusades by Joachim de Fiora who probably laid the groundwork
for dispensationalism. He held that Age of the Holy Spirit would begin in the
year 1260 A.D. Of course 1260 in the Muslim calendar is 1844 in the
In a message dated 12/21/2004 12:44:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
hadnt run across this most interesting bit of information before. Could
you give a little more of this history, or perhaps point me towards some
further reading?
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