Each Universal Cycle has two stages. The first is the Cycle of Prophecy, and
the second is the Cycle of Fulfillment.
Abdu'l-Baha stated that the Bab signalized the termination of the 'Prophetic
Cycle' and the inception of the 'Cycle of Fulfillment'. (God Passes By, p. 57)
Adam was the first
It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath lived is
divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be characterized as God's appointed
Day. This Day, however, is unique, and is to be distinguished from those that
have preceded it. The designation Seal of the Prophets fully
So from the Bahai perspective, not only was Muhammad not
the last prophet, but he wasn't even the last manifestation in
the Prophetic Cycle?
Dear Gilberto,
In response to the above comment I would like to offer a
personal observation:
In relating the internment of the Báb's remains on
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:20:33 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In any case, if the Bible has not been substantially changed in any
way,
then the genocidal commandments in the Bible are actually from
God, and then
you have to find some sort of way to justify or explain
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:23:00 -0800, Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:45:16 -0800, Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not true. If I praise the grandeur of Rome it does not mean that
I think we should remain ruled by emperors or that if I say that Rome's time
has
Gilberto: I think that if God is really speaking and a
religion is worth its salt, it doesn't need to be replaced by
another in order to progress. If the revelation is really
inspired, then morally sensitive people from the particular
religious tradiition can still go back to the revelation
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:13:06 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/27/2004 10:03:55 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But the sunni and shiite theology is there.Remember the original
question was your claim that if the majority had accepted Ali
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:21:49 -0800, Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto wrote:
It depends on what you mean by recognize. Even from a Sunni
perspective, Sunnis are supposed to have love for ahl al-bayt. (The
family of Muhammad). So Ali, Hassan, and Hussein, are still beloved
Yes, Sandra, I've seen that passage from the writings. I would just
think that the material aspect of the Law can be dealt with without
converting to a different religoin. At least in terms of islamic law,
you have living scholars who can arrive at rulings by understanding
the principles of the
Yes, Sandra, I've seen that passage from the writings. I would just
think that the material aspect of the Law can be dealt with without
converting to a different religoin. At least in terms of islamic law,
you have living scholars who can arrive at rulings by understanding
the principles of the
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:29:12 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In any case, if the Bible has not been substantially changed in any
way,
then the genocidal commandments in the Bible are actually from
God, and then
you have to find some sort of way to justify or
Hi, Gilberto,
At 07:20 AM 12/28/2004, you wrote:
I'm not sure where you started though. I was raised evangelical Christian. So
the idea of People of the Book was already rathet inclusive from my
perspective. But at the same time, I didn't necessarily believe that every
new age syncretic
Dr. Maneck, I understand that you and many others on this List, and many
Bahai scholars and Administrators believe in Omniscience at Will, Omnipotence
at Will, and other similar concepts that I have difficulty with. I would
sincerely like to better understand how you maintain these beliefs
I'll attempt to answer some of these (leaving opinion out of my reply til Susan makes comment)
1. The Bab and Baha`u'llah spoke Persian on a day-to-day basis. Neither one was particularly trained in Arabic though both showed a remarkable facility for their use of Arabic. Training young men in
At 11:02 AM -0800 12/28/04, Ronald Stephens wrote:
1. What languages did the Central Figures speak and write and understand?
For instance,
I know that the Guardian translated some Writings of the earlier Central
Figures into English;
so I suppose He spoke English as well as Persian, Arabic, and
At 2:58 PM -0500 12/28/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/28/2004 1:52:57 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I had not heard of Shoghi Effendi speaking or writing in Turkic. Do you
have a reference?
It was the official language of the Ottoman occupiers of
Gilberto wrote:
could you help me find a different way to read these passages?
In the context of the larger picture, i.e., the Bible in its entirety
including the New Testament; the picture that historical studies give us of
the bronze-age world of the patriarchs; and the comparative realities
In a message dated 12/28/2004 1:03:04 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dr.
Maneck, I understand that you and many others on this List, and many Bahai
scholars and Administrators believe in Omniscience at Will, Omnipotence at
Will, and other similar concepts that I
In a message dated 12/28/2004 1:59:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It was the official language of the Ottoman occupiers of the Holy Land,
and the "jailers" of Abdu'l Baha.I assume he had some fluency as did his
parents and grandparents.
Dear Scott,
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:15:30 -0600
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Do you have specific suggestions about how to provide context for
those verses which would let you describe
Sandra,
Taking Gilberto's side on this, how do we explain that there is a need for a new revelation if Islam (given than the writings in the Hadith and Qur'an are accurate) is already here, and as Gilberto has shown us, there are many teaching already in Islam that we Baha'is claim to be unique
G:
And so if you should me a religion which issuitable for the spiritual needs of people from different cultures andcivilizations from 622-or-so to 1844 then it should be universalenough to deal with human beings today.
J:
Unless there is something fundamentally different today (that started in
Thank you very much for informing me about what languages the Central
Figures understood and knew, in the real world. it is very helpful to
me, because I did not know.
On Dec 28, 2004, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll attempt to answer some of these (leaving opinion out of my reply
G:
You said that if Ali had been accepted, Islam might have continued as a valid religion.
J:
I do not agree with this because even though the Baha'i faith is not 'to be followed by night', we are promised another revelation about 1000 years after
Ronald,
Thanks for there questions. I have thought about many of these myself ! Ronald Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dr. Maneck, I understand that you and many others on this List, and many Bahai scholars and Administrators believe in Omniscience at Will, Omnipotence at Will, and other
Dr. Susan Maneck wrote, and I respond below:
Dear Ron,
Before we start, let's keep a couple of things clear. As I understand
it the term 'omniscient at will' applies *only* the Manifestation. That
phrase occurs only in a letter written on the Guardian's behalf wherein
he insists that *unlike*
Dear Ron, you wrote: Since every Manifestation acted
consistently with natural law, and acted as if They were not
omniscient and omnipotent, to believe that they were
Omniscient and Omnipotent means believing that They lived
their lives acting in a false way, in some cruel and sordid
Joke
Dear Gliberto, I wrote: I would agree that the spiritual
attributes of which humans are capable are eternally
appropriate. However, the material (scientific)
capabilities of humanity have advanced to such a degree (and,
continue to do so) that it has become necessary to find
solutions that
"Taking Gilberto's side on this, how do we explain that there is a need for
a new revelation if Islam (given than the writings in the Hadith and Qur'an are
accurate) is already here, and as Gilberto has shown us, there are many teaching
already in Islam that we Baha'is claim to be unique to
My reply: But Baha'is almost all the time assume that the Central
Figures were omniscient at will.
Dear Ron,
Again, the letter written on behalf of the Guardian applied that phrase
solely to Baha'u'llah. As far as what Baha'is do 'all the time' what's that
to you?
Also, how can an Interpreter
Turkish ceased being the official language of Palestine in 1917 when
General Allenby drove the last Turkish forces out of the region.
Dear Scott,
After 1924 Ottoman isn't even used in Turkey. Ataturk changed the script.
It seems to me that he must have had some Turkish, though I am sure it
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