Firouz,
At 05:34 AM 1/23/2005, you wrote:
I thought the House is infallible on matters of legislation. Are you saying
they are infallible on every decision they make?
If I might throw in my 2¢ here. To my understanding, the infallibility of the
House of Justice refers to its legislative
Mark, are you refering to this meaing of historicism? Most recently,
Historicism has been used by post-modernist thinkers to describe the view
that there is no absolute truth about deep philosophical questions that
should stand for all time.
I just realized that the definition you provided for
In a message dated 1/23/2005 5:36:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I thought the House is infallible on matters of legislation. Are you
saying they are infallible on every decision they make?
Dear Firouz,
No, I didn't say that either. I just said there is
In a message dated 12/28/2004 7:39:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gilberto: I think that if God is really speaking and a
religion is worth its salt, it doesn't need to be replaced by another
in order to progress.
Then there should have been no more
In a message dated 12/28/2004 8:03:13 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't
believe that the Nicean creed is necessarily authenticChristianity. The
real Christians were probably all eaten by lions ornever left the
catecombs. There are some Jewish Christian
In a message dated 12/28/2004 8:17:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At least
in terms of islamic law,you have living scholars who can arrive at rulings
by understandingthe principles of the Quran and sunnah and understanding
the realitiesof contemporary life.
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:18:12 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/28/2004 8:17:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At least in terms of islamic law,
you have living scholars who can arrive at rulings by understanding
the principles of the
In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:32:15 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And since honest-to-goodness real live Muslim actually do believe thatthe Quran is applicable today then you are actually calling Islam asbased in the Quran "brutal".
If the Shariah is enforced in a way to
In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:32:15 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't believe that the actual nature of what is "brutal" depends onwhat date it is. It may depend on the actual realities of a givensituation but those don't just depend abstractly on the date.
In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:45:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Personally, I think that it is possible to outline certain featureswhich constitute a "good government" but this should be independentfrom a particular ideology.
Which is, of course, a product of western
In a message dated 1/23/2005 5:36:37 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Susan,
I thought the House is infallible on matters of legislation. Are you saying they are infallible on every decision they make?
Best regards,
Firouz
I think she was saying there is no
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:16:48 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/28/2004 8:03:13 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't believe that the Nicean creed is necessarily authentic
Christianity. The real Christians were probably all eaten by
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:49:19 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G: Umm... given that prostitution is actually legal in most of the west
(so people are actually quite happy to pay money to have it) how
exactly is that whole fining process a deterrent?
JS: Doubling is the key word
In a message dated 1/23/2005 11:22:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY, what the Bahais do to Muslims.Despite what Muslims may say, Bahais tell Muslims what "Seal of theProphets" means, what the Apocalypse means, who the Mahdi is, how
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:45:11 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:32:15 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And since honest-to-goodness real live Muslim actually do believe that
the Quran is applicable today then you are actually
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:49:37 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:45:25 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Personally, I think that it is possible to outline
certain features
which constitute a good government but this should be
In a message dated 1/23/2005 12:11:24 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gilberto:But then the larger question is whether the present-day conscience" isactually a perfectly reliable guide? Can we even reliably determinewhat "the conscience" is saying to us? I mean, if everyone
In a message dated 1/23/2005 12:18:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Who is "they"?
the closest grammatic reference - being from your statement: "Baha`i's".
" Bahais tell Muslims what "Seal of the Prophets" means, what the Apocalypse means, who the Mahdi is, how the second
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:56:54 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/23/2005 11:15:44 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But it is possible to set up a society in such a way that keeping the
law is easy and structure legal-police-justice system
:It just has been weird to see
isolated statements of mine, from month-old posts,
Dear Gilberto,
Sorry for the confusion. I was out of town when those were posted. I've been
reading my older email first lately because AOL deletes anything that is
more than a month old if I haven't opened it
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:06:14 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:25:12 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gilberto:
It seems like the Bahai faith
divides humanity up in different periods or dispensations. And during
a given period,
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:22:43 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/23/2005 12:11:24 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gilberto:
But then the larger question is whether the present-day conscience is
actually a perfectly reliable guide? Can we
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:42:49 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/23/2005 1:39:15 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Islam isn't just an Arab religion. Even before the time of the Bab,
Islam spread to Persia, crossed the Sahara and went into
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:49:19 -0800 (PST), JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: G: Umm... given that prostitution is actually legal in most of the west (so people are actually quite happy to pay money to have it) how exactly is that whole fining process a
In a message dated 1/23/2005 1:59:19 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gilberto:That is factually incorrect. By alot."My people are hydroponic"
I'll grant you Indonesia for sure.
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In a message dated 1/23/2005 1:59:19 PM Central Standard Time,
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Gilberto:
That is factually incorrect. By alot.
My people are hydroponic
I'll grant you Indonesia for
sure._
In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:23:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What's the question?
That's the answer "pop" is one thing and "society" is another.
Regards,
Scott
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:08:27 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
At 12:10 PM 1/23/2005, you wrote:
My present-day conscience tells me that burning people alive is brutal. I
also think in the West there are many present-day consciences who would
have problems with the
In a message dated 1/23/2005 4:04:38 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I honestly don't understand what you mean. As an individual it seemslike you can have your own sense of right and wrong which might bedifferent from those of people around you. But I don't know what youmean
In a message dated 1/23/2005 1:28:28 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
2. Over millennia, mankind has become better able to absorb aspects of reality. Gilberto:Sure, in terms of scientific and technical knowledge, ability tocontrol the physical environment. We've gotten
Gilberto,
At 03:47 PM 1/23/2005, you wrote:
So does that mean that conscience isn't thought of as some sort of
internalized sense of right and wrong?
To my understanding, the conscience is a person's internalization of socially
constructed moral codes.
However, there is, in addition, what
Susan wrote:
This is what the Universal House of Justice wrote me on the subject of
conscience:
...not only the right but also the responsibility of
each believer to explore truth for himself or herself are fundamental to
the Baha'i teachings...A Baha'i recognizes that one aspect of his
It is hardly news that Osama bin Laden does not share the Enlightenment value
placed on a citizen's right to vote for a representative government.
IMO, this editorial is mostly nonsense. The fact that an opinion journalist
would spout out this twaddle raises serious questions, in my mind, about
Dear friends,
You might be interested in reading the story on this link.
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=61997
Shabnam, Tribal Welfare Officer mentioned in this story is a lifelong
Baha'i.
warmest, Susan
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You are
G:
Fine. Then as long as you recognize that, we are done. And to keep
dwelling on it is unnecessary.
No, We're not. At least not in the sense you think. As I said in my past posting, just because Christianity allows for prophets, by their definition; not your's, does not mean that
In a message dated 1/23/2005 7:31:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there any truth to this rumor?I thought read somewhere that one
or both of Abbas' parents were Baha'i.
Dear Dean,
Not that I've been able to ascertain. I wrote and asked the External
Susan,
I have my own personal opinion as
well, which differs somewhat from Schaefer's, but I figured Gilberto was asking
for something authoritative.
warmest, Susan
Dear Susan,
Thanks so much for your reply. I read Schaefer's article some
time back and personally based on my own
Have the families of the covenant breakers assimilated into Palestinian
society? Are any of the descendants of unfaithful Aghsan among them?
Perhaps in positions of power?
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In a message dated 1/23/2005 8:45:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have the families of the covenant breakers assimilated into
Palestiniansociety? Are any of the descendants of unfaithful Aghsan
among them?Perhaps in positions of power?
Dear Dick,
IT'S TIME FOR THE GUY WHO WORKS AT A JAIL TO WEIGH IN :-). Actually,
you're both right. In forensics we discuss the sociopathic triangle;
fire setting, cruelty to animals, and bed wetting. All three turn up in
many serial killers.
Rich
Susan Maneck wrote:
It seems that sociopaths manifest
Mark :
If I might throw in my 2¢ here. To my understanding, the infallibility of
the House of Justice refers to its legislative decisions based on an
elucidation of the Text. Personally, I understand legislation as
dealing, broadly, with matters of praxis.
Yesterday I suggested that the
Hi, Firouz,
At 09:17 PM 1/23/2005, you wrote:
Thanks for your comment. Here is my question. Let's assume that the House of
Justice actually consulted on the contents of Century of Light and decided
to write it by themselves, similar to Ridvan Messages, do you then consider
it Century of Light
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:12:52 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave: Different eras and cultures have had different
spiritual needs,
Gilberto:
What different spiritual needs?
Dave:
I'm not sure I'm the person to ask...but then, I did make the statement,
didn't I.
I do appreciate to read what you have to say on the same subject. Thanks so
much for sharing your ideas.
Dear Firouz,
Well, I haven't written a whole lot on it because my own conception of
infallibility is still somewhat (and maybe always will be)amorphous.
Anything I write on the topic is still
Scott:
Trying to enforce the cutting off of a man's hand for theft
becomes a
problem when the rest of the world society perceives it to
be brutal - for
one instance.
Gilberto:
But on what grounds is it brutal?
It's inhumane; lacking in compassion, sympathy, or
consideration for a fellow human
Gilberto: To get married you only need 2 witnesses and it
literally could just take a couple
seconds to have a legally valid marriage.
For your general information this could well describe the
requirements to sanction a Baha'i marriage.
Before at least two witnesses the couple each recite this
Gilberto: My present-day conscience tells me that burning
people alive is brutal. I also think in the West there are
many present-day consciences who would have problems with the
Bahai rules about women, homosexuality, pre-publication
review, and the separation of church-and-state.
So where does
Hi, Susan,
At 11:15 PM 1/23/2005, you wrote:
But given that fact, I don't think it makes sense to simply confine it to
certain narrow functions.
From a minimalist standpoint, I think one should only affirm infallibility
when it has been specifically authorized. With regard to the House of
My understanding based on K73 of Kitab-i-Aqdas is that capital punishment is
not to be exercised in a Baha'i State.
... Let none contend with another, and let no soul slay
another; this, verily, is that which was forbidden you in
a Book that hath lain concealed within the Tabernacle
of glory.
IMO, the problem with discussions of this sort is that they assume there is
something called goodness apart from the taxonomies provided by the Prophet
in each Dispensation.
Regards, Mark A. Foster http://markfoster.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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