But as
before the infallibility in no way comes from the Guardian.
Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice that would have a living
Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its Head. In that formulation, why
wouldn't the infallibility of the House come through the Guardian?
In
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:16:17 -0800 (PST), Ahang Rabbani
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But as
before the infallibility in no way comes from the Guardian.
Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice that would have a living
Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its Head. In that
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding but are you a Remey-ite?
Are you insane??
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Susan: Is that what your argument is based on,
capitalization? Because as far as I know there is not any
convention whereby Baha'is are supposed to use upper case
letters to refer to the Universal House of Justice and lower
case when referring to other institutions. The only difference
Does anyone know how to contact (by email) the people that produce Ocean?
Or can someone point out a link to them on the Ocean/Baha'i Education
website?
James
If you have Ocean installed on your computer there is a link to the author
under the resources button on the toolbar (and also under
Gilberto,
At 07:31 AM 1/30/2005, you wrote:
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding but are you a Remey-ite?
Sorry I didn't catch this message earlier. I have been running a fever.
Ahang Rabbani is far from it. He is a devoted member of the Baha'i Faith. What
would have made you come to that conclusion?
Gilberto,
At 07:55 AM 1/30/2005, you wrote:
I gave this a little more thought and I think that perhaps we could all agree
that morality can be situational and that what is appropriate or
inappropriate can depend on the concrete specifics of a situation, but I
think that would still see
I don't believe that the Nicean creed is necessarily authentic
Christianity. The real Christians were probably all eaten by lions or
never left the catecombs. There are some Jewish Christian (like
Ebionites) groups with docetic tendancies which from a Muslim
perspective seem a likelier
Gilberto:
Ok, I believe you. But then when you are in your Bahai paradigm, and
read that the Buddha is identified with being a Manifestation, but the
teachings of real live Buddhists in the world don't seem to be
consistent with the Bahai teachings, I'm not sure what you do. Do you
bracket
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding but are you a Remey-ite?
Are you insane??
LOL. Gilberto is not a Baha'i, Ahang, and he doesn't know you. But he is
familiar with Remeyite arguments and some of your arguments resembled
theirs. They insist that the infallibility of the House of Justice is
something
Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice that would have a
living
Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its Head. In that formulation,
why
wouldn't the infallibility of the House come through the Guardian?
Dear Ahang,
First off, the Guardian did not have to serve on it at all
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:16:17 -0800 (PST), Ahang Rabbani
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But as
before the infallibility in no way comes from the Guardian.
Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice that would have a living
Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its Head. In that
Considering that I wasn't stating my opinion and and defining
my personal logic in an attempt to persuade, I would have to
say No to your question.
I don't view this as a great
debate with a winner and loser.
Dear Sandra,
Sorry if I came down too hard in that last post. I'm using the term
In a message dated 1/30/2005 12:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What evidence is there that he envisioned a living
Guardian?
Dear Gilberto,
Abdu'l-Baha talks about the Guardian being the head of the Universal
House of Justice for life in the Will
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:18:57 -0800, Patti Goebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
Ok, I believe you. But then when you are in your Bahai paradigm, and
read that the Buddha is identified with being a Manifestation, but the
teachings of real live Buddhists in the world don't seem to be
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:56:36 -0800, Patti Goebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
I don't believe that the Nicean creed is necessarily authentic
Christianity. The real Christians were probably all eaten by lions or
never left the catecombs. There are some Jewish Christian (like
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:36:14 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
At 07:55 AM 1/30/2005, you wrote:
I gave this a little more thought and I think that perhaps we could all
agree that morality can be situational and that what is appropriate or
inappropriate can depend
If that's the case, why would God have let the message get distorted
in this way?
Dear Gilberto,
You believe the same thing has happened to Christianity and Judaism, don't
you?
warmest, Susan
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:59:25 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If that's the case, why would God have let the message [of Buddhism] get
distorted
in this way?
Dear Gilberto,
You believe the same thing has happened to Christianity and Judaism, don't
you?
I was asking from
But in the Kitab I-Iqan is the section which has often been quoted to me:
How could God, when once the Day-star of the beauty of Jesus had
disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the fourth
heaven, cause His holy Book, His most great testimony amongst His
creatures, to
In a message dated 1/30/2005 12:52:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That would be my view, yes. However, I assume you believe in contextualizing some sort of timeless (?) essentialist moralitySure. Except I'm not sure I can clearly even imagine the alternative.My
I am personally open to the
idea that Buddha may have been a prophet, But I wouldn't insist on it
the way that the Bahais do.
Dear Gilberto,
We believe it because Abdu'l-Baha said so.
So don't have any reason to believe that
the current Buddhist scriptures are distorted.
Buddha appeared in
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Subject: Re: Scope of the House of Justice -VERY LONG
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:58:01 -0800
The
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:50:20 -0800, Patti Goebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But in the Kitab I-Iqan is the section which has often been quoted to me:
How could God, when once the Day-star of the beauty of Jesus had
disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the fourth
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:29:38 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am personally open to the
idea that Buddha may have been a prophet, But I wouldn't insist on it
the way that the Bahais do.
Dear Gilberto,
We believe it because Abdu'l-Baha said so.
Fair enough.
So don't
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:09:27 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/30/2005 12:52:43 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That would be my view, yes. However, I assume you believe in
contextualizing some sort of timeless (?) essentialist morality
Well, Jesus didn't write any of the New Testament himself either.
No, but at least the NT material was written within a generation of His
passing. Here we are talking about two centuries later.
What would be left to [Buddhists] to cling to from the setting of the
day-star of [Sidhartha Gautama]
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:09:44 -0500 (EST), Iskandar Hai, M.D.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
And it just begs the question:
What would be left to [Buddhists] to cling to from the setting of the
day-star of [Sidhartha Gautama] until the rise of the
Gilberto:
Ok, I believe you. But then when you are in your Bahai paradigm, and
read that the Buddha is identified with being a Manifestation, but the
teachings of real live Buddhists in the world don't seem to be
consistent with the Bahai teachings, I'm not sure what you do. Do you
bracket the
Dear Ahang,
you wrote:
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Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice
that would have a living
Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its
Head. In that formulation, why
wouldn't the infallibility of the House come through
the Guardian?
what makes you so certain that
Dear
Susan, you wrote:
What the
rest of the Baha'i community did was go back to what Baha'u'llah said was to
happen if His lineage ran out before the election of the Universal House of
Justice. This was stated in the Aqdas:
"Endowments dedicated to charity revert to God, the Revealer of
I thought this too, until someone suggested to me that
the guidance of the first Guardian as laid down in
numerous letters could be seen as that there is still
a Guardian, and that the Universal House of Justice
consults with the Guardian when they consult his
letters.
Dear Janine,
I think the
Because Baha'u'llah makes no mention of the Institution of the Guardianship by
name in His Writings; and because even those references in His Writings to a
hereditary successor are limited to Him Who hath branched from this mighty
Stock, Him Who hath branched from this Ancient Root, and the
Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice that would have a living
Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its Head. In that formulation,
why wouldn't the infallibility of the House come through the Guardian?
I would like to offer some thoughts on this subject raised by Haji
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