solved.
>
> "Kinda or not"
>
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of the maintainers at this
point, it's very much dependent on folks rebootstrapping armel and armhf
against the new library names. Should these bugs be downgraded again to
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be coordinated with the Release Team.
> Am 27. Februar 2024 08:19:21 MEZ schrieb Steve Langasek :
> >Hi Simon,
> >
> >On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:40:56AM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> >> > glib2.0 # already in experimental
> >
> >&g
s:
- unpack cargo and libstd-rust debs to the root via dpkg-deb -x
- use equivs to mock up packages by these names with no dependencies and
install those
- bootstrap
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nt in unstable for 2 days?
I'm also not sure why it hasn't expired out of unstable given that it is
superseded.
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com-err2 and libss2 don't use time_t, so
> the rename to ...t64 was completely unnecessary.
Yes, apologies, we can't assume any particular mapping from -dev packages to
runtime lib packages in packages that have multiple -dev packages, so
libcom-err2 and libss2 were swept up in the renaming and I
tils-cbuilder-perl package anymore.
(which, btw, was an arch: all package, so in any case it wouldn't be
affected by the ABI transition.)
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On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 01:43:11AM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 12:33:08PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > > Are there instructions on how to progress an unstable system through
> > > > this, or is the repo currently in a known
r today?), if apt dist-upgrade is
NOT working, I think we should want to see some apt output showing what's
not working.
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curl, nordugrid-arc, poppler, qtbase-opensource-src, and xmlrpc-c have been
uploaded with the fix. petsc will take a little bit, as there are other
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r the information,
> let's see if this is a real issue or not.
Furthermore, this is a downgrade from a replacing package to a replaced
package. Unless you also --reinstall the package at the end, missing files
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tainer name reverts in unstable that happen after this are not
guaranteed to be picked up, and whatever package names we have on the Ubuntu
side are going to be locked in for a 10-year LTS cycle. So I think any
maintainer who's concerned about dependency compatibility with third-party
de
e these substvars, *IFF* there is
not already a reference to the substvar in question in the package stanza in
debian/control? This would provide adequate flexibility for any other
exceptions that might be out there, beyond the Pre-Depends case.
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On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 04:36:43PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote:
> Hi!
> On Mon, 2024-02-19 at 19:48:38 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > I have coordinated with the gcc maintainer so that we can have the default
> > flags in gcc-13 changed this week.
> > We are th
, no revdeps
sipxtapi: failed
# no sane ABI info; https://bugs.debian.org/1064328
snort: failed
# obsolete, skip it
python3.10: failed
# soon to be obsolete skip it
python3.11: failed
# has to be handled manually, mark failed temporarily
python3.12: failed
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fixup(pam_misc_conv_warn_time64, pam_misc_conv_warn_time);
> +fixup(pam_misc_conv_die_time64, pam_misc_conv_die_time);
> +}
> +static void reset_warn_time() {
> + pam_misc_conv_warn_time = 0;
> + pam_misc_conv_warn_time64 = 0;
> +}
> +
> +#else
> +
> +static void
experimental where
possible, but we will not be pulling experimental versions into unstable as
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On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 05:33:22PM +, Alberto Garcia wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 11:05:46PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > In fact, none of the t64 binaries currently being uploaded
> > to experimental have the final ABI either, we're just using
> > experimenta
in gcc or glibc ?
On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 08:07:19PM +0100, Ansgar wrote:
> On Fri, 2024-02-02 at 08:21 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Once all of these packages have built in experimental and we have identified
> > and addressed all adverse interactions with the usrmerge trans
> we'll have to clean up all those diversions, and in forky+1 we'll have
> to delete the cleanup code, so while investing more now may seem more
> expensive, it saves later.
I think the cost of chasing upstreams about soname bumps and dual-abi'ing
libraries swamps any savings for the maintain
and breaking the world has affected the
timeline, yes.
I now have a tested patch that I've raised as an MP in salsa:
https://salsa.debian.org/selinux-team/libselinux/-/merge_requests/9
I welcome review from the Debian libselinux maintainers prior to opening a
discussion with upstream. (Which I will
/log.txt
Much better that there be a library transition only for the lesser-used
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On Mon, Feb 05, 2024 at 08:57:50AM +0200, Andrius Merkys wrote:
> On 2024-02-02 19:46, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > If there is no new version in experimental, or there is a new version BUT
> > the patch against unstable applies cleanly to the version in experimental
> >
be build failures if there are interdependencies between some of
these packages because of unsatisfiable build dependencies, but those will
be resolved semi-automatically in cooperation with the buildd maintainers
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On Sat, Feb 03, 2024 at 10:16:48AM +0100, julien.pu...@gmail.com wrote:
> Le vendredi 02 février 2024 à 08:21 -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> > The packages previously not reported are:
> > flint
> > flint-arb
> About flint: if you need anything done, don't hesi
On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 07:34:46PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 08:21:57AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Dear developers,
> > As mentioned previously on debian-devel[6], we know that there are a number
> > of library packages being included in thi
in experimental can ignore this transition and just use the new
soname once it finally lands (is superseded by the next LTS version?)
On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 09:46:10AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 05:27:02PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On February 2, 2024 4
On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 05:27:02PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On February 2, 2024 4:43:52 PM UTC, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >Hello,
> >debian-devel-announce wouldn't let me attach the file, but for those on
> >debian-devel at least, you can find the dd-list of to-be-NMU
On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 07:45:57AM +0100, Carsten Schoenert wrote:
> Hello Steve,
> Am 31.01.24 um 21:59 schrieb Steve Langasek:
> ...
> > Please find the patch for this NMU attached.
> > If you have any concerns about this patch,
in the changelog. So
I guess I'll work on fleshing out a rename map for these.
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 12:57:17AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Here is an updated analysis of the transition. This is based on a full
> rerun on Debian unstable as of 2024-01-17 and inclu
ot have an
> > > > ABI
> > > > breakage, especially in the long tail of libraries with few
> > > > reverse-dependencies whose involvement in the transition is unlikely to
> > > > substantially slow down Debian development.
> I was look
On Sun, Jan 07, 2024 at 09:30:37AM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> Am 07.01.24 um 02:01 schrieb Steve Langasek:
> > If you say you are going to fix eventual breakage (and not ignoring the
> > test results!) and if that means fixing asm on all affected archs, then
> > it's
Hi again,
On Sun, Jan 07, 2024 at 01:09:48PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> Am 07.01.24 um 04:38 schrieb Steve Langasek:
> > The ordering here would be:
> > - dpkg will be uploaded to experimental with 64-bit time_t in the default
> >flags
> > - the source packag
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 09:33:12PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> And my proposal for checking that set, since we're only talking about
> runtime library packages, is to check whether any of the contents of these
> packages in bookworm match ^/lib - as a runtime library package NOT
Hi Colin,
On Tue, Jan 09, 2024 at 01:32:11PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 03:01:11PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 05, 2024 at 09:17:52PM +0100, Paul Gevers wrote:
> > > On 05-01-2024 17:36, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> > > > Also
pportunity to catch such mistakes if they happen.
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use it will take time to get all the binary
uploads done (longer than it will take to get the sourceful uploads to
unstable done), so it's better to stage in experimental to minimize the
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On Sat, Jan 06, 2024 at 09:25:52AM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> Hi,
> Am 06.01.24 um 06:51 schrieb Steve Langasek:
> > > > - dpkg will be uploaded to experimental with 64-bit time_t in the
> > > > default
> > > > flags
> > [...]
&
On Sat, Jan 06, 2024 at 09:07:15AM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> Am 06.01.24 um 06:51 schrieb Steve Langasek:
> > > > - dpkg will be uploaded to experimental with 64-bit time_t in the
> > > > default
> > > > flags
> > > I think at that point
On Sat, Jan 06, 2024 at 10:01:30AM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Langasek writes:
> >> At one level, krb5-multidev only has an rdep of 5, but I suspect
> >> the rdep count for libkrb5-dev is somewhat larger:-) I don't kn
On Fri, Jan 05, 2024 at 02:23:59PM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Langasek writes:
> Steve> - In multi-library packages, there is no reliable way to map
> Steve> from a set of headers in a dev package to specific shared
>
well.
Reduces the count of revdeps to be rebuilt from 5450+169 to 5450+168 (not
much improvement :).
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dress your concern. It's not as
if there is going to be any time that it's ok to tell maintainers they can't
use experimental at all because we're doing this transition.
> >experimental with the new binary package names in order to clear binary
> >NEW, in coordination
> And wha
On Fri, Jan 05, 2024 at 09:32:28PM +0100, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> On 2024-01-05 11:06:09 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 05, 2024 at 06:53:50PM +0100, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> > > Hi Steve
> > > > - perl will also get a sourceful uploa
not?
Sorry for the confusion. The two lists requiring binary package name
changes are the attachments named 'source-packages' and
'lfs-and-depends-time_t'. This is what I fed into dd-list, and encompass
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the sourceful NMUs of the libraries will be reuploaded to unstable
(without binaries, so that they can be promoted to testing without
additional uploads).
- perl will also get a sourceful upload, to manually handle 'perlapi'
Provides.
- binNMUs will be scheduled for all of the reverse-dep
cies of libvlccore9 in the archive that are
not VLC plugins (phonon4qt5-backend-vlc etc). Are these packages simply
mis-linked against that library?
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On Fri, Jan 05, 2024 at 12:05:57PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Jan 2024 at 00:17:04 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > - In multi-library packages, there is no reliable way to map from a set of
> > headers in a dev package to specific shared libraries in a
Hi Sebastian,
On Fri, Jan 05, 2024 at 06:34:38PM +0100, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> On 2024-01-05 00:23:00 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 05, 2024 at 12:17:04AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > == Results ==
> > > The overall findings of this analys
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:58:10PM +0200, Stephan Lachnit wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:11 AM Steve Langasek wrote:
> > SPDX defines an xml format only. They lost before they'd even started.
> > debian/copyright is supposed to be human-readable first and foremost. XML
>
traction and people centered on desktop files.
> We failed to gain traction on the structure of the copyright file, and
> spdx is the one who has won here.
SPDX defines an xml format only. They lost before they'd even started.
debian/copyright is supposed to be human-readable f
o are willing
> to do the work have a larger share of power in the decision making.
I would like to see that discussion happen. I don't think this thread is
that discussion, and I'm not stepping forward to drive it.
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e} which are
constructed at package install time and therefore are inappropriate to ship
in /usr.
Shipping the same file in both /usr and /etc from application packages seems
like it would be a reasonable workaround as far as it goes, but doesn't let
us empty /etc/pam.d.
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On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 10:15:53PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> On 15-09-2023 21:54, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > armel != armhf
> Of course
> > and nobody should be running armel on a NEON-capable CPU...
> Not sure why you say it like that, I guess you don't m
list of
> features of that machine.)
armel != armhf and nobody should be running armel on a NEON-capable CPU...
or chromium on an armel-only system.
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he views expressed, in
all of the packages in the archive. An audit of that sort would certainly
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ons of religious texts would presumably be the first things
> tossed onto the pyre.
Don't you think it's a bit hyperbolic to equate "not distributing a text in
our archive" to "book burning"?
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> activities, or been otherwise complicit in such.
Lol bothsidesing anarchism and fascism
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t; bothered me. It just hasn't bothered me enough to investigate what the proper
> way to solve it is. It hasn't bothered me enough to bother other people with
> this issue.
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hile it's best practice when replying to make sure you're sending to the
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And I can say that I am a happy
user of netplan across multiple systems, with no need to manage networkd
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On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 12:30:50AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 at 14:27:21 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > to understand the impact that a change to the size of
> > time_t will have on a library's ABI, it must be possible to compile the
> > headers
n having some of these
library packages excluded from the transition is welcome to contribute
fixes up to that deadline that will let us analyze them and show that the
ABI has not changed.
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1039564
Also closing WNPP bug(s):
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On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 04:06:08AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-05-22 at 18:17:44 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > The difference in my view is that the changes to handle Provides: are
> > something that should persist in the packaging (until the next soname
>
if we find that there isn't
consensus. If we need more assurance that the project supports the
decision, I think it's better to go straight for a GR.
I wouldn't like this to drag on too long into the trixie release cycle.
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Hi Helmut,
On Tue, Jun 06, 2023 at 09:33:22AM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 09:04:10PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > * … but NOT on i386. Because i386 as an architecture is primarily of
> > interest for running legacy binaries which cannot be rebuil
both sells them and provides them free
to people in need.
They receive x86-64 systems that they determine are *too old to be worth
refurbishing* and they e-cycle them.
Hanging on to systems using power-hungry chips from 20 years ago instead of
intercepting a system such as this is not reducing
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 06:24:53PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > We don't need to enable/fix it for everything though. A rebuild check of
> > affected libraries to see how much work this adds would be a good idea.
> Isn't it a problem not just for library ABIs but also for any
but also for any other packages
rebuild with -D_TIME_BITS=64, because the code will be consuming the 64-bit
prototype from the headers but using the 32-bit symbol at runtime?
(Which is a better answer in terms of automation, because then we can just
put it in dpkg-buildflags)
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vance - either now or by delaying
the time_t transition. I don't see any way to avoid this via automated
source analysis, so the only option (given that we can't avoid the time_t
transition forever) is to rebuild and then find out what breaks, which I
think is best done at the beg
On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 09:04:10PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Based on the analysis to date, we can say there is a lower bound of ~4900
> source packages which will need to be rebuilt for the transition, and an
> upper bound of ~6200. I believe this is a manageable transition, and
care about test results for it because it has no end-user application!)
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ic" Unix *roff behavior.
Dustin Kirkland once did a demo where he booted every 6-monthly Ubuntu
release since the dawn of time in a VM (15+ at the time, I think). That's
much more useful for software archaeology of this sort than providing i386
host support in *future* Debian releases.
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unless you care about this, there's no reason to keep i386 as an
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ame handling for mipsel as for other 32-bit archs wrt
compatibility provides; do you agree?
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On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 03:04:30AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-05-16 at 21:04:10 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > === Technical details ===
> > The proposed implementation of this transition is as follows:
> > * Update dpkg-buildflags to emit -
should also emit
-Wno-implicit-function-declaration; cc:ing the bug on dpkg regarding
implementation of that interface.
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ckages?
>+ Which?
> I understand that answering these questions on a per-package basis is
> far from trivial. That much is evident from your analysis. I think this
> is ok. Even if such a service says "unknown" 10% of the time, that'd
> still be very useful. Do you
On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 09:31:05PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Steve Langasek writes:
> > * Largely via NMU, add a “t64” suffix to the name of runtime library
> > packages whose ABI changes on rebuild with the above flags. If an
> > affected library already has a diffe
Hi Craig,
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 10:14:17PM +1000, Craig Small wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 14:10, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Over on debian-arm@lists, there has been discussion on and off for several
> > months now about the impending 32-bit timepocalypse. As many of you ar
packages under
the old name on upgrade.
* In the future when the upstream SONAME changes, the t64 suffix should be
dropped.
Your thoughts?
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Steve Langasek
* Package name: pam-session-timelimit
Version : 0.5
Upstream Author : Steve Langasek
* URL : https://github.com/vorlonofportland/pam_session_timelimit
* License : LGPLv3
Programming Lang: C
Description
ld results to identify Werror-related failures with
high signal would require two parallel builds, one with and without the
flag, built against the same baseline. So since this is infeasible, if
Debian decides to pass -Wno-error by default from dpkg-buildflags, we might
find ourselves diver
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 03:06:25PM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Langasek writes:
> Steve> If this is for people doing out-of-archive builds who don't
> Steve> want to deal with failures from -Werror, I can see how having
or dpkg-buildflags to be
changed to emit -Wno-error *by default*, with an option flag along the lines
of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=Werror that lets you turn it on instead.
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ving it.
> > > ...
> > > The point of going 64-bit only is to clean up data structures and remove
> > > technical debt: Hence 5.x will start a cleanup and removal of 32-bit code.
> > >
> > > The next point release may work on 32-bit by just bypassing th
ommon sysctl settings among
different distributions would be in the Linux kernel, instead of diverging
from the kernel defaults in userspace and representing this as "common".
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t think the base-files maintainer would like) or apt.
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On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 08:46:04PM +0200, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sun, 2022-05-08 at 22:07 +0200, Steve Langasek wrote:
> [...]
> > Ubuntu no longer uses isc-dhcp by default, because it no longer uses
> > ifupdown; NetworkManager and networkd both have their own implement
ill be the only game in
town. It would be a good idea to make sure as part of the deprecation of
isc-dhcp-client that we get initramfs integration of whatever is the
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asswordrequisite pam_cracklib.so retry=3
> difok=3 minlen=14
> Yes, I surely would miss the NIS support.
If your users are using yppasswd on the NIS master for changing passwords,
then evidently you are not relying on support for NIS in PAM. (yppasswd
doesn't even link agains
going to offer it up as a solution without some evidence of demand
(which I would say this thread hasn't yet established), since it would
require additional work on the package.
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rom is not a sane security policy, and I don't think we should indefinitely
make Debian worse for all other users (bigger minimal system == worse) to
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o perhaps someone wants to be particularly clever and give
the installer an appropriately-sized empty partition in the partition table
that the firmware bits could be blatted into.
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+ in the next Debian release, would
anybody miss it? Or has everyone moved on to LDAP / AD by now?
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> Are we again in the world of "Everyone must adapt because I'm different" ?
> >
> > We ain't gonna go back to this WOKE thinking and "positive
> > discrimination bullshit", please no !
> > > Samuel
> > >
> >
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tem capabilities; and as far as I'm aware we have no
filesystems that support fscaps extended attributes but NOT acls, nor am I
aware of any archive formats that would preserve fscaps without also
preserving acls.
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