[digitalradio] FCC Petition to Re-Establish Narrowbnad RTTY/Data Subband Comment Period Open

2007-12-25 Thread Mark Miller
The FCC has released http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_document=6519820340 Public Notice report 2828-Correction establishing a new comment period for http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_document=6519008574 RM-11392. RM11392

[digitalradio] Season's Greetings

2007-12-25 Thread Omar Shabsigh
SEASON's GREETINGS to all the nice people in this group Omar YK1AO

Re: [digitalradio] Digest Number 3730

2007-12-25 Thread kh6ty
I filed my comments today on Mark's petition, which is very well written and logical, and encourage everyone else who values space to work without interference from email robots also to do so. Merry Christmas to all! Skip KH6TY Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page

[digitalradio] New release of FDMDV - Amateur Radio Digital Voice

2007-12-25 Thread Mark Thompson
New release of FDMDV - Amateur Radio Digital Voice A new version (10a-Dec-07) of the Digital Voice mode FDMDV is now available from the N1SU.com website. This mode is remarkable in that it occupies a bandwidth of only 1.1 kHz as against the 2.4 kHz needed for an SSB signal. The new version

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Roger J. Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Demetre SV1UY wrote: Well, Do we really need contests, ragchewing, voice qsos, voice nets, cw qsos, cw nets, on HF? Realy it all depends on what each individual wants to do! Your millage might vary!

Re: [digitalradio] FCC Petition to Re-Establish Narrowbnad RTTY/Data Subband Comment Period Open

2007-12-25 Thread Rick
This is a very well thought out solution to a on-going vexing problem on the HF RTTY/data bands. I have submitted my comments to the FCC in concurrence with Mark's petition and I strongly suggest that those who agree or those who disagree with the petition, submit your comments. If the

Re: [digitalradio] Season's Greetings

2007-12-25 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Merry Christmas and Season's Greetings to all 73 de Andy K3UK On Dec 25, 2007 6:55 AM, Omar Shabsigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SEASON's GREETINGS to all the nice people in this group Omar YK1AO -- Andy K3UK www.obriensweb.com (QSL via N2RJ) attachment: coexist-static.jpg

Re: [digitalradio] Packet Radio Frequencies

2007-12-25 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Packet can be easily found on 30M, the APRS stations on 10151 use packet. . Try also 14095 for packet BBS traffic . on HF it is 300 baud packet (below 10M) Andy K3UK On Dec 25, 2007 1:31 PM, kaboona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all and Merry Christmas. I just recently discovered

Re: [digitalradio] Packet Radio Frequencies

2007-12-25 Thread Andrew O'Brien
FYI, here is some traffic I just copied on 14095 [FBB-7.00g-ABFHM$] FA B G8MNY WW TECH 40474_GB7CIP 6084 F 55 [FBB-7.00g-ABFHM$] FA B G8MNY WW TECH 40474_GB7CIP 6084 F 55 FBB-7.00g-ABFHM$] FA B G8MNY WW TECH 40474_GB7CIP 6084 F 55 It looks like BBS forwarding using the FBB software. Andy K3UK

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Dave AA6YQ
We've been through this too many times, Demetre. I know you get it, you just won't admit it. The core issue is not that WinLink conveys email or uses a digital mode protocol that's wide or narrow -- its that its unattended stations (PMBOs) transmit without first listening to ensure that the

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been through this too many times, Demetre. I know you get it, you just won't admit it. The core issue is not that WinLink conveys email or uses a digital mode protocol that's wide or narrow -- its that its

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been through this too many times, Demetre. I know you get it, you just won't admit it. The core issue is not that WinLink conveys email or uses a digital mode protocol that's wide or narrow -- its that its

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Roger J. Buffington
Dave AA6YQ wrote: We've been through this too many times, Demetre. I know you get it, you just won't admit it. The core issue is not that WinLink conveys email or uses a digital mode protocol that's wide or narrow -- its that its unattended stations (PMBOs) transmit without first

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must admit that the problem you have is not Winlink, but any form of networking on HF. Wrong. My problem is with unattended stations that transmit without first listening to see that the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Roger J. Buffington
Demetre SV1UY wrote: OK Roger, Whether you like it or not all the above DIGITAL MODES are here to stay!!! They are not going to go away because you don't like them. If you don't like them don't use them! Actually, I doubt very much whether Winlink or Pactor will be around a few years from

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread w6ids
- Original Message - From: Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies OK Dave, You must admit that the problem you have is not Winlink, but any form

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Dave AA6YQ
My objective is not win an argument with Demetre or any other proponent of operating practices that QRM other operators, but rather to illuminate the flaws and obfuscations in their arguments to the readers of this reflector. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From:

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Dave I agree with you but how about a new twist to this. Not too long ago I was having a real nice keyboard to keyboard QSO with K2MO - Tony on dial freq 7,077.4 Pactor when a member of this list starting calling CQ on another mode. I did get a call and email him asking if he did hear the

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Dave Bernstein
You were having a Pactor QSO and someone called CQ nearby in another mode. You were able to identify the CQing operator. From your after- the-fact email conversation with this person, its clear that he heard your signal. If he assumed that your Pactor signal was coming from a robot and that it

[digitalradio] Will You Let FCC Kill Digital Radio Technology?

2007-12-25 Thread expeditionradio
A terrible petition now at FCC USA seeks to eliminate all advanced ham radio digital data modes such as Olivia, MT63, OFDM, fast PSK, ALE, PACTOR, MFSK and others. We only have a few days, by January 1, to respond and kill it. Only you can save the future of digital radio, by your comments to

[digitalradio] Re: Will You Let FCC Kill Digital Radio Technology?

2007-12-25 Thread wd4elg_base
Hey Bonnie You are a digital guru, so I would appreciate it if you could educate me. Forgive my ignorance, I am new to digital modes. I hear a lot of increased-bandwidth transmissions in the RTTY subbands (7070 area, 14080 area). I understand that many of these are unattended. I have issues

Re: [digitalradio] Will You Let FCC Kill Digital Radio Technology?

2007-12-25 Thread Phil Barnett
On Tuesday 25 December 2007 11:47:13 pm expeditionradio wrote: Read the petition: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6519008574 RM-11392 part 1 and http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6519008575 RM-11392 part

[digitalradio] FCC: Petition to Kill Digital Advancement

2007-12-25 Thread expeditionradio
Read the Petition to Kill Ham Radio Digital Advancements click here: http://hflink.com/fcc/FCC_RM11392.pdf File your comments against proceeding RM-11392 click here: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi Can we can get at least one hundred hams to oppose it? Please do your part.

Re: [digitalradio] FCC: Petition to Kill Digital Advancement

2007-12-25 Thread W2XJ
I will be responding in support of the petition. I do not believe these digital modes will be effective in a true national emergency. I do believe that they use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth for no real advantage. Email at less than 2400 baud is not cutting edge technology. In a real

Re: [digitalradio] FCC: Petition to Kill Digital Advancement

2007-12-25 Thread Simon Brown
- Original Message - From: W2XJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will be responding in support of the petition. I do not believe these digital modes will be effective in a true national emergency. I do believe that they use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth for no real advantage. Email at

RE: [digitalradio] FCC: Petition to Kill Digital Advancement

2007-12-25 Thread Barry Garratt
Actually this is a Petition For Rule Making and it is for an AMENDMENT of PART 97. Nowhere does it state it is a Petition to Kill Ham Radio Digital Advancements It's a good petition that a lot of thought has been put into and should be supported by all amateurs. Barry VE3CDX/W7 _

Re: [digitalradio] FCC: Petition to Kill Digital Advancement

2007-12-25 Thread David
Hi All..as this petition only has to do with Hams in the USA i would suggest that argument from both sides be taken to a group especially for the subject and not be put on the other many Hams outside the USA.this petition has already engendered some very bad slanging between the 2

[digitalradio] Re: Will You Let FCC Kill Digital Radio Technology?

2007-12-25 Thread expeditionradio
Mark WD4ELG wrote: Hey Bonnie You are a digital guru, so I would appreciate it if you could educate me. ... Help me by answering these questions, so that I can make an educated comment to the FCC: Hi Mark, I will attempt to answer your questions, one by one, below: How will this

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Will You Let FCC Kill Digital Radio Technology?

2007-12-25 Thread Phil Barnett
On Wednesday 26 December 2007 02:44:49 am expeditionradio wrote:  How will this RM will KILL digital radio?   It will prevent present digital data technologies that now use normal HF ham transceivers for time-division sharing of frequencies. It will kill new developments of fast digital