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I agree with TANAKA Tomoyuki:
http://www.mail-archive.com/gossip@jab.org/msg00058.html
- - just include mailto links so people can reply easily while browsing -
spam
Hi Kathy,
The archive.jab.org site has only been around for a couple weeks, and
I'm still trying to get a feel as to how popular it will be. Go ahead
and use it; but it is still too early to provide definitive answers to
your questions.
Here's the situation right now:
* The defacto place for
Dr. Juergen Vigna,
Ah ha! There was a problem with the archives and some messages were not
getting filed. Give me a few minutes and I will correct the problem...
Jeff
, will be fatal to my
service.
Jeff Breidenbach
Hi Niclas,
As soon as the first piece of mail from svrm gets processed, the
archives become from the web page. Sometimes there a delay if there is
a lot of mail - but usually it is only a few minutes.
Have added [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is a Scandinavian VRML User Group.
I was confused for a
What are the effects of having a sponsor and going non-profit?
I.e. What changes will be done inorder to make a profit?
I'm not sure I understand the question. The only changes are that
network connectivity will be provided by a sponsor, under their
help-the-community program. There is an
Jordi,
The cafe is list is fairly new, and has not yet been indexed for
searching. Please check back tomorrow afternoon and see if the
problem is resolved.
Jeff
PS See the first question in the FAQ, and also I apologize for
the confusing error message.
Aris,
I noticed we still hadn't had anything show up on the sport list at
mail-archive.com. Are you a subscriber? Is there any traffic?
If so, can you forward me a message; I'd like to look at the headers.
Jeff
This is very hard when I really don't know what is most likely to be
customized. I wish I was better at writing extensible programs! An
rcfile.model sounds fine. (Although, if this gets out of hand a config
file in /etc is probably the best solution... except maybe not if we
want to sync the
Tomoyuki,
If sorting by the Date: field is causing big problems for fukuzawa, we
will switch back to sorting by recieved time, and find another way to
handle archive imports. (Let me coordinate this with the folks who are
currently importing archives; this may take a day or two.)
Let me ask
mailto:; links are the cleanest, simplest, and most convenient
solution. I wish I felt comfortable using them. Several months ago,
spammers started harvesting email addresses from the archives and I
thought they would destoy the service. I made a lot of anti-spam
changes to discourage them, but
* MHonArc should understand most non-numeric timezones. May need
some education. Logs show MHonArc is ignorant of AEST, MET;
no errors reported under fukuzawa. See TIMEZONE resource.
* A single clock incorrectly set far in the future can do
very large damage. More than enough to offset
Tomoyuki,
some way of deleting spam ads seems to be a good idea.
Yes, but...
* I can't delete the spam myself.
* Editing archives may cause legal problems for the service.
* I'd prefer not to give out unix logins for this.
* The best place for blocking spam is at the list server.
*
Mate,
So can you indicate to me briefly what is the acceptance policy of the
archive for messages forwarded from an alias to the archive?
Current policy: we accept and archive incoming mail that does not bear
x-no-archive: yes or restrict: no-external-archive to the best of
our automated
Mate,
Trust me, I like pushing as much responsibility as possible onto the
hands of the list manager. However, when I witnessed firsthand the
archive devastation caused by three lousy messages accidentally
misdated November 1999 on a major list, I became convinced to use
Received: sorting as
Thank you for the code snippet.
I don't program in Javascript
Ditto. I also don't use a Javascript capable browser, nor do I
particularly believe in the durability/portability/utility of
the language. Can you tell I'm desperate for a solution? Anyway, it's
getting late here, so I'll ponder the
I've changed the cofiguration of apache to include
ExpiresByType image/gif access plus 2 months
which may result in minor performance improvements for clients locoated
farther away from the server. This is especially important as the
archives appear to be getting more international.
Michael,
Thank you for the updated notes.
This is pretty complicated. I feel inspired to see how dist and
rcvdist manage to bounce a message without using the To: line
as a recipient. Do you have an idea how this works?
For email, the actual recipient for a given message is determined by
Hi Albert,
Let me repeat and agree with your statement. The essential
contribution of mail-archive.com is the concept of being able to
easily archive email lists by just adding the generic archives address
as a subscriber
That contribution is based on a core technology - a system to
Good morning -
I just returned from a trip to Bavaria, Germany where I was blissfully
out of reach from computers. I'm happy to say the service survived
with zero attention. Here's the scoop...
* We got mentioned in the current Linux Weekly News
* I made the system quietly queue mail for a
I imagine that a large percentage of lists here are administered by
Majordomo. Is there some simple procedure for making sure Majordomo
sends the right information? (i.e. Can we tell it to add a special
line to the header?)
I imagine so, although my brief glance at a Majordomo config file
and
Not sure you can do it. We use a mostly stock htdig search
coniguration, which mean punctuation gets ignored for
search indexing. Is this a big problem?
So it's been an exciting week for mail-archive.com. What happened?
1) Wednesday, the network access to the main site went down
for several hours.
2) This triggered a mail loop which, on revival meant messages were
being shuttled back and forth between mail-archive.com backup
Hi Hugh,
Good idea. As per your suggestion, I added the search form. It should
appear on all new message pages.
Cheers,
Jeff
PS I carbon copied this reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED], a discussion list
for the archiving service.
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A feature that I would appreciate is the ability to search
It was an exciting day for mail-archive, as I started cleaning up some
internal software. Unfornately, I typed make uninstall on the wrong
computer. Message processing was halted for a few hours as I learned
far more about how to undelete files than I ever wanted to. All is
well now, but let me
Here's the deal. For the past several weeks I've been endurance
testing new hardware because the service has grown popular (and
consequently caused a huge backlog in messages processed, resulting in
the delay you are seeing.)
The new hardware is in place, but still in testing (bigger disk,
According to the FAQ, an archive can take up to a couple of
days to appear. A week is two long; something may have gone
wrong. Can you forward me one of the letters from the list so
I can look at the headers?
--
How long usually the archive appear? I add a list for
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The last message of the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
in your archives is dated Fri 18 Feb 2000.
Mail-archive has not received messages from this list since Friday
February 2000. My guess would be that either:
1) The list is defunct
or
2) archive@jab.org got unsubscribed from the
I have a two-word list name that hasn't shown up on the site. It appears
as [DEUS Conosco] on the subject line. Does this keep it from being
listed?
Should not be a problem; the only thing that matters is the email
address of the list (and email addresses never have spaces in them.)
Send me a
Hi Randal,
I ran the message you gave me manually, and it ended up getting filed
under http://www.mail-archive.com/alcance@grupos.com.br
This is weird, and I need to look much closer and see if there is
a bug.
Jeff
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Good point.
Now that I have all this upgraded hardware in place, I guess I can
crank the settings. I just adjusted the search engine to re-index
everything once every three days. I also added a note to the FAQ in
case this is a common question.
Two things to note:
1) Reindexing everything
Randal,
The sample message from [DEUS Conosco] helped me find a somewhat
subtle bug in the sorting engine at mail-archive. Specifically, before
mail-archive starts a new list (correct behaviour in this case), it
looks very hard to find out if there is already an existing list.
The fuzzy_match
Any chance of duplicating the Earlier Messages at the bottom?
Yes, that sounds completely reasonable. I'll do it, probably in the
next few days.
On a related topic, one thing I would like to do is to have a layout
that looks like this:
[Later Messges]
[Earlier Messages]
Martin's suggestion for putting [Earlier Messages] at the bottom
of mail-archive index pages has been implemented. It will
slowly start to show up as archives are updated.
In other mail-archive news...
* I updated the Debian package of MHonArc to 2.4.5. Because I am not
the Debian
Is Portuguese up next?
Sure. :)
In a couple days, when everything is completely stable, I'll provide
instructions in the FAQ (and on this list) for translators. While
everything _seems_ to be working, I strictly follow a 48 hour cooling
off period for new code.
Cool, it's translated all the
Mail-Archive now has support for language localization. As far as the
code is concerned, English is just another language.
I expanded the i18n/l10n code to include both the HTML pages and the
search engine. At this point, English and French are supported, and
translators are invited to help
Valens Riyadi,
Thank you! The following lists will have Indonesian localization. (It
will only affect new messages.) Please let me know if I have missed
anything or made a mistake.
Cheers,
Jeff
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL
The number of lists using mail-archive is starting to approach 4000,
making the list of lists really unmanagable. So, I added a find
archive searchbox. This is a BETA feature, so feeback is appreciated.
The URL is http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php3
Cheers,
Jeff
Seems good. But how about also dividing the list of lists into 26 by initial
letter?
I'll give it a week and see how many poor souls actually download
lists.html. If there is enough cumulative suffering, I'll do it.
It's trivial to generate a page for each letter, but I'm really lousy
at
Also, here's a real question -- how long does it take for
my confirmation message to appear on the unfilables page?
The unfilables page updates as quickly as any other archive -- anywhere
from a few hours to a day (and if things are really gummed up, more than
a day.) I should probably adjust
We have a list whose canonical name is [EMAIL PROTECTED], but
due to existing MX records, it can also be sent to as
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc, or even
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This sounds broken on your side. The address should look the same no
matter which MX is doing the work.
I
A suggestion: I was looking at some of my archive files. The subject
line turned into title is VERY big. How's about decreasing the size one
notch? Might help a lot of them stay on one line, also.
Second opinions? It is easy to adjust the site's style sheet if people
have suggestions. The big
The contents of the FAQ were last modified April 20, 2000. I am in
California, USA. I don't understand, what is the issue?
Jeff
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Your FAQ dater gave me this today, down at the end of the page:
FAQ Time-stamp: Thu 04/20/2000 08:55:46
Mail-Archive general software revision:
Hi Justin,
I'm carbon copying your message to the discussion list
for mail-archive ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), because it is relevent.
I just took a look at the incoming message queue and it seems to be
holding around about 20,000 messages. Because we don't process things
in order under high load I
Hi all,
Here's what's up with mail-archive.
1) I've received localizations for German and Polish
and will put them into the next point release, maybe
tomorrow.
I'm a bit concerned with the character sets -- the provided
translations don't use HTML escape characters, like eacute.
Here's a bunch of news, no particular order.
Cheers,
Jeff
=
* The recent programming changes dramatically improved archiving
performance, meaning messages are now processed within hours rather
than days. The backlog is about 2,000 messages right now, down from
about
1) Disk is running thin
I had some time to look at disk space. The big RAID was at 82%
capacity. I did some fossilizing compression of inactive lists,
bringing us down to 76%. Probably six months of room left or less,
and gigantic cheap IDE RAIDS are still nowhere in sight. I'll think
about
2) Change 'sort' config (http://www.htdig.org/attrs.html#sort) to
'revtime'. This will bring up the latest messages first. Very good for
huge archives where old answers are very likely outdated.
[...]
For 2) I think most of you will oppose against that change. But
who knows, perhaps nobody
Maybe I'm a tad impatient, but I'm wondering what the archive performance
is like just now. I've just added a list yesterday, and sent a test message
this morning. Should I be waiting until maybe until tomorrow to see it show
up?
Did it show up? If not, what's the listname and send me a
Is there any way to keep old and new messages together? [after list
name change] What should I do?
Write a new function,
rebuild --migrate orig dst
which adds an X-Mailing-List: dst header to each MH file
in the src folder (if it doesn't already exist), then calls
rebuild --reprocess
Is it maybe there's a different policy for the MHonArc threaded and
chrono lists and the searchable archives?
Correct. I'm limiting the MHonArc generated indexes to the latest 3000
messages, but no messages are erased and the search engine should be
able to search the whole collection. I did
Jeff, if you can confirm my initial (the 1996 ones) submissions went
*in* OK yesterday
There are 16 messages from 1996 in the audities@binhost raw email
collection with, with three of those having duplicate timestamps.
I did a spot check on one of those 1996 messages and did not
see the
Comments ? Suggestions ? Possible change request (Jeff ?) ??
Change request denied.
I do not consider it mail-archive's role to mangle email addresses
contained in the body of messages. Personally, I don't think
archiving services should be mangling message bodies, period.
I consider
Search for tsolver from the homepage, it's there.
http://www.mail-archive.com
Dear Support
Read the FAQ -- mail-archive.com doesn't provide support.
Jeff
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Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/rd/c0d0p3 482093189160268033 41% /
/dev/rd/c0d0p5 964476495364420116 54% /usr
/dev/rd/c0d0p6 964476890792 24688 97% /var
/dev/rd/c0d0p1 23300 3715
I've suscrived archive@jab.org to [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. MDAEMON
tries to connect jab.org and always get a timeout error.
Sounds like a problem with your MDAEMON. Otherwise, how exactly, did your
message (quoted above) reach [EMAIL PROTECTED]?
Jeff
Is the code that chooses the location of the archive public? I'd be
willing to diagnose the problem if the source is available.
Yes, it is available under the GNU General Public License.
http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#equipment
-Jeff
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] rather than refiling the 23 messages going to
assorted lists. Suggest you use bounce.pl after all if you want
the mail archived.
Jeff
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The problem is, on May 9, mail-archive wrongly decided
that there was a list called [EMAIL PROTECTED] which
has been steadily accumulating mail.
The time f bogus list creation may correspond to a period when the
sort engine was running suboptimally due to grep failing in
all_matches() due to
does anyone know if there might be a problem or delay?
afromus-l's headers are not compatible with mail-archive
http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#compatibility
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http://www.mail-archive.com/pne-archive@newton.digitalspace.net/
Inactive lists are not deleted, but I don't bother having them
in the list search engine. This was because I was getting sick of
returning all three archives for lists which had done the
onelist-egroups-yahoogroups migration.
All raw mail is being compressed (bzip2) which has freed up quite a
few gigabytes so far. I expect the compression to take another 36
hours or so. I also adjusted the mail transfer agent to limit incoming
message sizes 50k. Next capacity steps are:
1) compress HTML files on inactive lists and
* I gave up in asking for disk from VA. After all the compression,
we're currently at 88% capacity which should hold for a few months.
After that, things will get dicey again.
* There was a power outage lasting a few hours at the secondary MX
site yesterday, ending a 409 day uptime. I
Seems that archive@jab.org has been bouncing for the past few weeks
maybe longer, since it looks like someone has reset it a few times :)
Mail-archive is bouncing any mail over 50KB by policy. Additionally,
there was a short period the other day (a couple hours long) when mail
bounced
About the 50k limit... any way you can give me an idea of how many
YahooGroups messages might be bounced for that?
In the last three hours mail-archive has rejected 64 messages due to
size, 62 of which came from YahooGroups. This is a particularly slow
time of the day/week.
Or perhaps the list
Hi all,
First, sorry about accidentally letting the previous spam through.
Second, as for *-lilypond, send the headers of a message to me
directly and I'll see if something went wrong.
Third, disk is filling up yet again. 95% On the other hand,
build-your-own terabyte arrays are now
Q: Why is gossip so slow?
A: Because I moderate it and was busy for a few weeks.
50% of gossip submissions are now spam, by the way.
I wonder how the spambot guards are holding on the archived
lists themselves.
Q: Thread linking (-- Thread --) doesn't work half the time.
A: Give a
I can contribute some layout settings if Jeff is interested. All I
should need is a copy of the the resource files mail-archive uses.
Sure! The file is src/rcfile.int in the (GPL'd) tarball.
http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#buzzwords
-Jeff
I downgraded backed to mhonarc 2.4.9 to see if it would help with
performance problems.
Was there a difference?
I think so, although there were a lot of other things making the
determination unclear. For starters: A near full filesystem, a runaway
process consuming one of the CPU's,
Hi htdig folks,
I'm having a bit of a problem getting what I want from the htdig
configuration options. Lots of people, myself included, use htdig in
conjunction with MHonArc. In the current release version of MHonArc
(2.4.3, which I recently upgraded to) attachments may be stored in
I am carbon copying this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in hopes
that it is imformative to others with similar questions.
There are also a few questions from me at the bottom.
--Jeff
Thanks for your excellent free service!
Thanks!
Evidently there are three problems:
Send one of the messages to me, with full headers.
Jeff
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Can you tell me what could have gone wrong?
Not without seeing the raw headers of a message.
Jeff
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Several possibilites:
1) The missing mails had X-No-Archive: Yes headers.
2) They are still in queue to be filed. I just spent some
massive amounts of CPU on datacompression, and we are
operating on backlog.
3) The missing mails are pooled up at the secondary MX
awaiting transfer to
What's the performance comparison between Reiser and ext3? I'm not
sure I've seen any reliable benchmarks (oxymoron?) on this.
I hear ext3 is identical ext2 on read, and a bit slower on writes. It
mainly buys you journalling, but that's not important for me; the
computer never crashes anyway.
I havent been able to access the Mail Archive since 11/11. A kind of
nervous twitch is setting in.
Mail-archive is alive and well (although see the archives for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for recent events). And, there seems to be a reasonable
path between it and your ISP (looks like you are on a cable
Thank you for the bug report, I'll see if I can fix the HTML
sometime this week. I may contact you in the future to confirm
that all is well with respect to Oprah; in the meantime, I will
check against the validators at http://www.w3c.org
-Jeff
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And how can I see that this [Ukranian] localization is used at
site?
The Ukranian translation is now incorprorated, thanks. To switch a
Ukranian-language archive to the Ukranian localization, tell me
(directly) the full URL of the archive, and I will make the
switch. Please note that each
Here's the most recent news...
Jeff
1) Sorting bug fix
A major sorting bug was introduced appoximately 7/18/2001 and fixed
9/19/2001. Many lists were affected, often resulted into splitting
archives between the regular name and -admin versions.
I admin the list Cadius, which is currently using your services for
archiving.
I would really appreciate to have spanish as the localization language.
Thank you very much for the service, and thanks in advance for your
help.
Done. It will take effect next time the archive is updated.
PS: do
is it possible to up the 3000 message limit? The hlds mailing lists are very
active and transfer several hundred emails a week. 3000 would be reached
fairly quickly. How about a way to tell it to save certain threads or
messages? Thanks for any help
Mail-Archive is currently a victim of success
Hi Kir,
I am honored to receive such close attention by the aspseek team! The
big advantage of aspseek over htdig from my perspective is the ability
to handle languages with multi-byte charactersets, like Chinese. This
limitation in ht://dig really bugs me, and holds mail-archive back
from
Spam cop filtering is now disabled. I'll post statistics gathered
over the past 24 hours later.
-Jeff
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Done. Localization will take effect with the next archived message.
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My fault - I forgot to escape the ampersand in the uuml;
entity references. Should be fixed on new messages starting
tonight.
-Jeff
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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204
Weird. I use Mozilla/Linux as my default browser every day,
and have not seen this. Can you reproduce the problem on other
computers?
-Jeff
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Daniel,
The obfuscation on message bodies is new; it wan't in effect in
January when the reference message was archived. (We've had
obfuscation or hiding of headers for a long time.) You can see the
minor body obfuscation in action by viewing the source of a recent
message. [1] I think it works
FYI
-Jeff
--- Start of forwarded message ---
To: Jeff Breidenbach
From: Stefan Probst
Subject: Re: My lists are not accepted
Hello Jeff,
I found a way to get the lists archived, although the to header is to the
listmember, not to the listname as required by your archivist scripts
Bad news: mail-archive doesn't provide service to YahooGroups mailing
lists, no exceptions. This is mentioned in the FAQ.
-Jeff
On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 13:49, Lona wrote:
Hi everyone. This service is new to me. How do I go about finding the URL
for our list archives
[ below}
Lona
today while system goes under maintenance. Thanks for your
patience. Archives will not update today.
-Jeff
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Are you serious?? Why!
Why not? :)
Let's see...
* I got tired of archiving the massive amounts of spam and
pornography and other crap that Yahoo carries
* getting called in the middle of the night by very clueless
and usually angry users that don't understand that I'm not
read the FAQ
On Sun, 2002-08-25 at 19:56, Babul wrote:
REF: http://www.mail-archive.com/assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
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is there any RDF file created automatically for each list?
whr is it? can it be used live to create local list of mails in our site?
Babul
Alive again as of this morning, some messages sequestered.
Expect periodic hiccups until next gen hardware is in
place (few more weeks).
-Jeff
On Sat, 2002-08-24 at 15:40, Joseph Tainter wrote:
Is there an estimate for when archiving will resume for the Pentax
Discuss Mailing List?
Thanks,
I'll be able to look into more detail next week -- I'm
about to be off net for the next few days. In the meantime,
check to see that your messages don't have a header like
X-No-Archive: Yes or Restrict: No-External-Archive
which is common cause of such problems.
Also Earl is right,
Send a copy of a message with full headers to me. I will
examine it some time late next week.
-Jeff
On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 11:14, a.blanch wrote:
Hello...
In first place, pardon for my terrible English (product of an automatic translator).
I know that there have been difficulties in the
Hi all,
Next generation hardware finally arrived, and is
looking very good. So far, I'm very happy with the
vendor who seems to have done a great job testing.
Data transfer will begin shortly, not sure how long
it will take. Expect periodic queuing of mail during
this time (for example,
Hi all,
Essentially all the data has tranferred between the old and new
hardware. I'm now running a shadow; both the new computer and the old
computer are crunching away. I'm going to monitor for some time then
eventually do a spontaneous switchover.
Also, I've fed the many hundred thousand
Also, Exim is the default mail transfer agent for Debian and has
served mail-archive pretty much flawlessly for the last 4 years.
-Jeff
On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 09:31, Earl Hood wrote:
On September 17, 2002 at 13:13, Kir Kolyshkin wrote:
Jeff Breidenbach wrote:
There are still some
Disk filled on the production machine again, last night. I deleted
some more stuff, things should be going again. The zero active
lists is what happens when the program gathers statistics when the
disk is full.
Everything is going great on the new 1.76TB hardware, but it is still
running as a
Ok --
Zamboni (the old server) will never update again. Poet (the new
server) is processing current mail and also getting some older archive
messages recopied into it as we speak. You'll know things are done when
http://216.218.240.194 and http://www.mail-archive.com resolve to the
same
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