Is there a way to benchmark a PHP script to see how intensive it is?
For example, execution time, CPU/RAM/disk usage, etc. Thanks in advance.
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Hello,
disable_functions still works ONLY via setting in php.ini.
I think this is a bug.
ini_set(disable_functions, phpinfo);
has no effect,
php_value_admin disable_functions phpinfo
shows the correct output from phpinfo with one line for
disable_functions phpinfo...
At least this is a bug.
Here is a solution I developed for the HTTP AUTHENTICATION on that buggy
Internet Explorer.
I want some feedbacks, improvements, Comments...
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Please correspond via email for my convinience and
also on the News Group for the benifit of the
Eugene Lee wrote:
Is there a way to benchmark a PHP script to see how intensive it is?
For example, execution time, CPU/RAM/disk usage, etc. Thanks in advance.
Try APD.
http://apd.communityconnect.com/
It's a degugger and profiler.
It does not show all of bench you want,
but it works
Hi over there,
i'm just beginning with php and i wonder if it is possible to show another
url in the current window like the a Tag in HTML.
Thanks for any answer...
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Hi,
I have had a few problems retrieving MySql entries that contain quote marks.
Slashes have been added before storing an item description such as:
17 SVGA Monitor.
They've been removed before display too - and the description appears
correctly on a page except when displaying in a text box (for
Hey all,
Does PHP support lazy evaluation? Meaning that if:
if (isset($HTTP_POST_VARS['submit'])
$HTTP_POST_VARS['submit'] == 'create')
does PHP stop evaluating after the first condition if $HTTP_POST_VARS is
not set?
(please CC me in replies)
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Hi over there,
i'm just beginning with php and i wonder if it is possible to show another
url in the current window like the a Tag in HTML.
Thanks for any answer...
I'm not sure what you mean
Hi Alexander,
Does PHP support lazy evaluation? Meaning that if:
Yes, it does.
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Create another table with info of accounts.
Auth_table
username(varchar)
password(varchar)
acno(int)
accounts_info_table
acno(int)
info1
info2()
Pass a query
==
select * from accounts_info_table where acno==$abc
==
here $abc is the info you
Create another table with info of accounts.
Auth_table
username(varchar)
password(varchar)
acno(int)
accounts_info_table
acno(int)
info1
info2()
Pass a query
==
select * from accounts_info_table where acno==$abc
==
here $abc is the info you
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 05:41:34PM +0900, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
:
: Eugene Lee wrote:
:
: Is there a way to benchmark a PHP script to see how intensive it is?
: For example, execution time, CPU/RAM/disk usage, etc. Thanks in advance.
:
: Try APD.
Thanks. It'll be a decent start. Getting a
php-general Digest 16 Jan 2002 09:13:19 - Issue 1114
Topics (messages 80630 through 80671):
Re: Another question - not exactly what i was looking for
80630 by: mike cullerton
80631 by: R'twick Niceorgaw
80633 by: Christopher William Wesley
mysql_insert_id?
Hi Robert,
administrator to edit the item description. When displayed in a text box the
description just shows 17.
The only solution I can find is to swap the quote marks for quot;
when storing the item initially
you can use htmlspecialchars() function to convet all the html chars.
The
If you mean redirection, then try the header() function in the on-line
manual.
Tim
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Hi Nick
I'm not sure what you mean can you be a little more detailed?
I can tell however that PHP is *not* a substitute for HTML. If you want
something like the a tag then *use* the a tag.
in fact i want something like the a tag, but the new url should be opened
within a php if-statement,
Hai ALL
Is there any way to capture function call in PHP
and redirect to some other function if that function doesn't exists.
Perl programmers remind AUTOLOAD method in a package.
S.Murali Krishna
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You can use function_exists() to check whether a function actually exists:
eg:
if (function_exists('imap_open')) {
echo IMAP functions are available.br\n;
} else {
echo IMAP functions are not available.br\n;
}
HTH
Neil
S. Murali Krishna wrote:
Hai ALL
Is there any way to
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I'm not sure what you mean can you be a little more detailed?
I can tell however that PHP is *not* a substitute for HTML. If you want
something like the a tag then *use* the a tag.
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* S. Murali Krishna said
Hai ALL
Is there any way to capture function call in PHP
and redirect to some other function if that function doesn't exists.
Perl programmers remind AUTOLOAD method in a
i have many problems with my web site.
i have sql server 2000 and php4 but i not connect with my server and the
result pages don't show.
somebody help me :-(
I use PHP 4.1 and SQL Server 2000 together with no problems - please post
your code and explain exactly what you're trying
Hello,
I try to write text (barcode font) with function ImagePSText.
But I don't want antialiasing with barcodes.
How to do it ?
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 19:40, Ben Turner stuffed this into my mailbox:
If you could just try and drag your lazy ass to the bottom of this lists
email you'll find how to unsubscribe yourself without bugging us
/Quit Thyago Consort
:D
Hey I tried!
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Hi!
I 'm trying not to hard code my php coding and I'm trying to pass a
variable name into the $row[coloumname_$variable];
I get an error message for this code.
I'm just wondering if I could do this trick using other ways of writing
it.
Thanks for reviewing!
regards,
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Hi!
I 'm trying not to hard code my php coding and I'm trying to pass a
variable name into the $row[coloumname_$variable];
I get an error message for this code.
I'm just wondering if I could do
Hi!
I 'm trying not to hard code my php coding and I'm trying to pass a
variable name into the $row[coloumname_$variable];
$row[columname_$variable] should do it.
$row[constant] is threaten as constant which is normally not the programmers
intention (set_error_reporting(0) and you'll see
hi again!
I tried it but it desn't give me any result back.
It dosn't print any error message but it desn't print my result either.
this is how I place the code:
echo ...some html code...;
$row[somename_$var];
echo ...the continuation of the html code;
thanks!
Stefan Rusterholz wrote:
hi again!
I tried it but it desn't give me any result back.
It dosn't print any error message but it desn't print my result either.
this is how I place the code:
echo ...some html code...;
$row[somename_$var];
echo ...the continuation of the html code;
thanks!
I think this indice in
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hi again!
I tried it but it desn't give me any result back.
It dosn't print any error message but it desn't print my result either.
this is how I place the code:
echo ...some html code...;
For or statements it does, but not or xor. I don't know about you, but
I wouldn't want lazy evaluation on a conditional statement involving and.
The manual ref is
http://www.php.ca/manual/en/language.operators.logical.php and the
following page on operator precedence.
Have a great one -
whoops, typo:
echo (isset($row[somename_$var]) $row[somename_$var] !== ) ?
$row[somename_$var] : Sorry, but \$row[\somename_$var\] is not set.;
above code should be correct :) (notice: it's only 1 line - email could
display it on multiple lines).
and here a smaller explanation of the ternary
I have been trying to use some PHP scripts as a Linux cron job.
It tries to run but replies that:
Unable to open /home/admin/webmin-0.85/ in Unknown on line 0
I have no idea why PHP parser is making this confusion.
Could anyone bring some light to this mistery please?
Atenciosamente,
Tiago
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Hi all !!!
I've made a PHP script which takes IP's of my network (x.x.x.2 - x.x.x.254)
and then uses GetHostByName() to resolv names of the machines if they exist.
(This is in order to check for free IP's and redo my DHCP config)
But this only works for my own machine, because I filled my
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Subject: [PHP] GetHostByName
Hi,
I've got a MySQL problem.
I'm running MySQL on my local machine and my web server (housed elsewhere).
I need to use phpMyAdmin to administer the databases on my local machine and my remote
server.
I've set the config in phpMyAdmin to connect to both servers, but when i try to
administer
Peter,
I had a similar problem, and I believe there's a bug report already
filed about it. PHP doesn't seem to save session variables if you use
the Location: header. What I do in my scripts when I need to set a
location redirect is run 'session_write_close()' before I use the header
A couple of things:
does mysql accept remote locations?
iow, is your host set?
further: always flush privileges :)
But first, add a user, host: webserver, user foo, pass bar (whatever ;))
flush it and try again.
- Kees
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Kirk,
That was enlightening, thank you. I think that I had better set
register_globals OFF ! However there is still one last nagging question
in my mind: What is the purpose of the $_GET (or $HTTP_GET_VARS)
predefined variable? It seems that in the case of get variables,
malicious
Please provide more information on how you have set up PHP to run your cron
jobs. Are you trying to execute via LYNX or directly via a PHP script?
/dkm
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I have a database that is supposed to last more than 30 years
Could someone advice me how to calculate (add and subtract) time in a maner that willl
be correct
after 2030 when Unix Time stop working?
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I flushed the privileges and its worked!
Thanks,
Phil
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Subject: RE: [PHP] phpMyAdmin problem...
A couple of things:
does
At 08:17 AM 1/16/2002, treiger wrote:
maybe if you wern't totally retarded you read the footer of this email and
EVERY other email that passed through this list.
~kurth
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If I put the AddModule line before the LoadModule line, I get the
following error from apachectl configtest:
Cannot add module via name 'mod_php4.c': not in list of loaded modules
If I put the AddModule line after the LoadModule line, I get the original
error. Seems like a Catch-22 if you ask
Use 64bit integers! They'll count up to a much higher number and will last
way beyond 2038.
In the database, set the correct type (INT8 in PostgreSQL, dont know about
the others). Dont worry about PHP as I'm sure there'll be a few newer
versions supporting wider int formats before then (if
Take notes.
On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 10:22 PM, Floyd Baker wrote:
I'm stuck here too. Don't know that much in the first place except
that I did get it together once. Apache/php4/mysql on win32... Now
to upgrade it's all new again.
I'm sure php config files are ok to the
Hello! I want to protect a JavaScript: It should only be readable out of
the document, where it is included (with script language=javascript
src=/myjs.js). But it should not be possible to read it directly with
www.myserver.de/myjs.js.
I thought I could do this with PHP (f.e. check the
I'm no guru on the topic, but I found that when configuring the DSO with
MySQL (--with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql), it would always garble the PHP
module. Eventually I got it all set up by not specifying a directory
(in other words, just using --with-mysql) in that configure argument.
But this
I'm wondering if it's possible to parse a .php-file so i looks exactly as if
I just were looking at the source trough a browser with all the
environment-variables intact and so on?
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This would only be true if your javascript files were parsed with php. If
not, then php can't do anything about it of course. Look into mod_rewrite. I
haven't used it in the sense that you're looking for, but I don't see why
you couldn't.
http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html
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I need to allow a client, named: A, to give their clients access to a remote page
on A's server. This is the problem:
1. I need to record who has accessed this page on A's server
grep stuff /var/log/httpd/access.log
2. password protect this page
Hi Tony,
you could do this by getting the file through http, which means not open it with
fopen(filename.php4, r) but with fopen(http://servername/filename.php4;,
r). Then you get exactly the way to browser sees it. But this is very slow if
you fetch a lot of files.
Martin
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I am looking for a guide or tutorial (preferably not OO) to help me do the
following.
A client views a map of a country and clicks on his location.
Location stored on database.
A visitor enters makes a selection (e.g. Hotels) then views a map of the
country
modified to reflect those
Hi Bart,
I think it's the same problem as with php: You could only protect it, when a
HTTP_REFERRER is send (which Netscape does not do):
Description:
Assume we have under http://www.quux-corp.de/~quux/ some pages with
inlined GIF graphics. These graphics are nice, so others directly
Here's a good primer on mod_rewrite:
http://www.freebsddiary.org/rewrite.php
I used it to accomplish the following...
A user hits a url of say: http://foo.com/84838
I then want to return an object out of our database who's id is 84838. A 404
handler will not help in this case. So, I chose to
Hi Olav,
I have a database that is supposed to last more than 30 years
Could someone advice me how to calculate (add and subtract) time in a maner
that willl be correct after 2030 when Unix Time stop working?
if you are using MySQL, then use datetime or date column type.
they can support
Hi Bart,
thanx for your answer.
This would only be true if your javascript files were parsed with php.If
not, then php can't do anything about it of course.
This is possible, I tried it out.
Look into mod_rewrite. I
haven't used it in the sense that you're looking for, but I don't see why
Doing this:
cp file_i_want_to_look_at.php file_i_want_to_look_at.phps
http://www.domain.name/file_i_want_to_look_at.phps
will display coloured source listing in the browser. Is that what you want?
This is referenced somewhere in the docs, and even if you only rename a
file to phps it is
on 1/16/02 5:57 AM, Miles Thompson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For or statements it does, but not or xor. I don't know about you, but
I wouldn't want lazy evaluation on a conditional statement involving and.
i'm new to all this stuff, so i'll bite. hopefully someone can explain what
i'm
An excerpt from the mysql manual:
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1.7 Year 2000 Compliance
MySQL itself has no problems with Year 2000 (Y2K) compliance:
MySQL uses Unix time functions and has no problems with dates until 2069
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However, it seems to me that this is the way to go indeed, because you can
on 1/16/02 7:42 AM, Martin Wickman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dl Neil wrote:
2 because the (function argument) controlling feature is the connection, it
is not possible for another
concurrent user to 'steal' your ID or influence the ID returned to you - it's
all yours!
Ok, assume you
Hello everybody
This works
header(Location: http://www.foo.com/data/register.php?exist=1;);
How can I pass exist value as parameter ???
Tia
SImos
I'm doing a website which I want to be easily updated so I made it using
wddx, now I wonder how fast or slow it is? How many people can connect to my
website without seeing any slowdowns? Anyone knows?
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SHWLHAP! (Sound of dead fish hitting me in the side of the head.)
Of course - if the first condition is false, PHP doesn't bother to evaluate
the second argument.
I was thinking that if the first condition is true I don't want evaluation
to stop there.
Miles
At 08:18 AM 1/16/2002 -0700, mike
For or statements it does, but not or xor.
Are you sure only or which do lazy evaluation?
as far as i remember, the last time I use operator it do
lazy evaluation.
And if you look at the online manual, some users also confirmed
that PHP implement lazy evaluation for logical operator.
What does this global variable stand for?
HTTP_IL_PAD
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LOL! He asked if PHP supports lazy evaluation, not buggy evaluation!
Bogdan
Miles Thompson wrote:
SHWLHAP! (Sound of dead fish hitting me in the side of the head.)
Of course - if the first condition is false, PHP doesn't bother to evaluate
the second argument.
I was thinking that if the
Hi Martin,
2 because the (function argument) controlling feature is the
connection, it is not possible for another concurrent user to
'steal' your ID or influence the ID returned to you - it's all
Ok, assume you are correct, but what if you are using persistent
connections (ie pconnet)?
I've got an app that sends emails, not complicated emails, their just
text, the mail text is stored in text files on the server so they can be
edited independant of the code, I've then got a function that reads the
file (using file()) ... iterates the array, chop(), append \r\n and
builds a
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 16:14, you wrote:
You will need to appropiate lines in your apache config for that to work tho'
AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
if I'm not mistaken, as long as your PHP is running, you already have the
other necessary lines in there
regards
Doing
header(Location: http://www.blah.com;);
Just be sure that output hasn't already started before you send the header.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:01 AM
Hi all,
I know I hear you all groan with this topic...
I know this topic has been asked before...
But looking through the archives there have been a lot of advice, URLs,
classes given out, yet I haven't really found anything that can easily be
implemented so that I can send muliple attachments
If this isn't in the PHP FAQ (I couldn't find it), it definitely should be,
because somebody asks this question at the very least once a week on this
list.
J
Henrik Johansson wrote:
Hi!
How do I do a redirect to a different location in PHP?
Regards
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If this isn't in the PHP FAQ (I couldn't find it), it definitely should
be,
because somebody asks this question at the very least once a week on this
list.
Very useful feature, i think :) and better to add it to the manual III.
Features section
(with file apploading, image functions etc)
Hello !!
I am free now a days and Needed a job in Web Development. I am fluent in PHP
+ MySql Combination.
Any on can hire me. Wating for reply.
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aha! see, i didn't understand the whole picture. so, let me see if i can
create another question. suppose
if (($a_good = ($a == 'a')) ($b_good = ($b == 'b'))) blahblahblah();
are you saying, that $b_good should always have the result of ($b == 'b')
even if $a != 'a'? that's not what my test
But looking through the archives there have been a lot of advice, URLs,
classes given out, yet I haven't really found anything that can easily be
implemented so that I can send muliple attachments in an single email.
I have managed it with one code but it always introduced an ATT01583.ATT
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Hello !!
I am free now a days and Needed a job in Web Development. I am fluent in PHP
+ MySql Combination.
Any on can hire me. Wating for reply.
Well, I'd like a new bicycle, a house with
A few comments:
1. (and the most important) I was trying to be helpful, rather than arrogant as you
most probably perceived me.
2. My answer was directed to the original poster, not to you. However, it is true
that I was mistaken in posting the message as a reply to your message.
mike cullerton
Hank,
You say just text and text/plain.
What do you mean by mungs the formatting? What formatting in plain text?
=dn
I've got an app that sends emails, not complicated emails, their just
text, the mail text is stored in text files on the server so they can be
edited independant of the code,
Hi Tony,
I'm doing a website which I want to be easily updated so I made it using
wddx, now I wonder how fast or slow it is?
How many people can connect to my website without seeing any slowdowns?
Anyone knows?
I use WDDX in my project to exchange data between application
(which is what
What is the purpose of the $_GET (or $HTTP_GET_VARS)
predefined variable? It seems that in the case of get variables,
malicious variables could still be set in the querystring and
even using
$_GET['variablename'] wouldn't be able to stop this from happening.
That is, from what I
For what they are worth, here are some notes that I took. I don't think
they answer the actual question you asked, but they may be useful.
Extensions to PHP are written in C. (I haven't seen a statement to that
effect anywhere in the documentation, but I mave missed something.)
Assume that
basically tabs and line breaks disappear ... almost like it's treating
the message as html .. whitespace is history.
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 04:29:03PM -, DL Neil wrote:
Hank,
You say just text and text/plain.
What do you mean by mungs the formatting? What formatting in plain text?
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LOL! Great posting! Made my day. You'd get the 'big gold trumpet' award of the day
if I could spare the money :-)
However, have you considered that this guy was maybe offering to help in a free
software project?
Bogdan
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Sam,
I know I hear you all groan with this topic...
I know this topic has been asked before...
But looking through the archives there have been a lot of advice, URLs,
classes given out, yet I haven't really found anything that can easily be
implemented so that I can send muliple
I am trying to delete files using web explorer THere is a section in the
code that states the following...
Can I include a shell script into it? Or it is neccessary. I know I have
permissions,but I might be wrong. If someone could help me I would
appreciate it.
Thanks
Al
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* Bogdan Stancescu said
LOL! Great posting! Made my day. You'd get the 'big gold trumpet' award of the day
if I could spare the money :-)
However, have you considered that this guy was maybe offering to help in a
If you are careful, you can defend against Scenario 1 with register_globals
on, but you need to understand all the stuff that PHP is doing with the
data, and that is a fairly complicated picture. Your application can still
work even if you don't understand that picture, and that is how
Hi,
I wonder if someone could tell me what I am doing wrong with the
following? I am trying to end a session (logout), but am having a
problem...
I register a new session as follows:
authenticate.php (snippet)
// if the user has just tried to login
if ($username
Hello:
Also I am getting this stupid error. How is that when I see the file and
directory staring in front of me?
Warning: Unlink failed (No such file or directory) in
/web/sites/embracedapain/thenameofmysite.com/index.php on line 1049
Thanks
Al
I am trying to run directly via PHP.
I have tried setting 755 to the script and adding #!/usr/bin/php -q to it
and also tried to change my cron line to run /usr/bin/php sending the script
as a parameter. Both options run normally when logged on a TTY.
Tiago
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Hi all,
I have a Sparc Solaric 7 system on which I'm trying to install php 4.0.6.
the installation works fine. But, when I try to restart Apache I get the
following error. I have Apache 1.3.22
Has any one experienced the same problem ? Or any fix to this ? I'm not a
unix guy so have no idea as
Site which offer SMS are also closing down / becoming unreliable as the UK
networks are charging other network operators for sending messages to phones
on their network.
This doesnt really affect mobile phone users because the costs cancel out
over time but discrimnates against web sites who dont
Unable to open /home/admin/webmin-0.85/ in Unknown on line 0
this is possibly a path or env issue. have you tried using absolute
filenames?
mike
on 1/16/02 10:07 AM, Tiago Luchini at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am trying to run directly via PHP.
I have tried setting 755 to the script and
Hi,
I would like to be able to maintain ( ie create or delete ) POP3 accounts
via PHP but my ISP says this cannot be done.
I find this confusing since they provide me a PHP-based control panel which
I use to do this manually ...
I confess I don't know much about the implementation of POP3 on
I wrote:
If you are careful, you can defend against Scenario 1 with
register_globals
on, but you need to understand all the stuff that PHP is
doing with the
data, and that is a fairly complicated picture. Your
application can still
work even if you don't understand that picture,
Hi,
I have an xml output with tags like sessionid123/sessionid
usersands/sands
I could parse the output using expat to display it the way i want or as a
string but what I need is to store the values separately in different
variables like $id for sessionid, $user for user and so on.. to be
I guess I'd setup a global array $TAGS, create an entry in the array
with your open_tag handle, $TAGS[$tagnamepassedtohandler], use the data
handler to populate it $TAGS[$currenttag].=$data;
When you're done parsing the xml you have one big array with all the
tags that you can either use
Hi,
I have to sweat my way through
/usr/bin/php if that does not work try /usr/local/bin/php
or ask the Unix Sysadmin.
one problem I still have to overcome is that everything
works,( I mean DB Connection etc.) but I can not use mail()
function.
Any body have any ideas why I can't use
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