This kind of snide attitude is not needed here. Please direct it elsewhere.
Den tis 6 nov. 2018 18:03 skrev <denisedalph...@gmail.com>: > Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing > “dream.” > > A long while after the conversation ended. > > Are you my mother? > > On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier <b...@glzr.info> wrote: > > Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him > for that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about > the matter. > > We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you. > You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have > shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit > or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination. > > Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how > blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is > different. In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own > experiences elicit a response, and whilst we can be more well read than in > previous years thanks to technology, there's still a lot to learn for > anyone who has not grown up with or been subject to this oppression. Humans > are fickle and behaviour to get people on board needs to be constructive. > Short answer, it would have been great if RA had of produced the piece in > the way that has been discussed! Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig > deeper and read and learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further! > > Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who > has some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even > one start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population. I live > in London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of > all backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our > racial issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other > countries and cities. Speaking of London, for those of you here, check > these black history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) - > http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/ > > Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine). Where's George M Smiley > these days? > > Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte. Hadn't heard of him > until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name. > > BG > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> wrote: > >> If I am, I really don't mean to be. Guilty of poor communication. >> >> Conversation very confusing. >> >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is >> rude. >> >> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR >> and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews. >> >> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not >> arrogant enough to post the link again. >> >> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, >> you’re all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you >> about who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 😢 >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> wrote: >> >> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as >> it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which >> opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am >> sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation. I do not have a >> neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation. >> >> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel >> very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to >> what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was >> ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to >> appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult. >> I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener >> probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not >> disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be >> disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be >> disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it, >> leading to my ignorance. >> >> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise >> (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email >> reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily >> provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of >> what you have got to say about it. The music is something else in any case, >> but I accept that you probably know a lot better the motivations behind the >> music, and that you may be right. >> >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> It took you this long to think of a response. 😲 >> >> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> wrote: >> >> Denise >> >> I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard >> what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, and >> that Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later I'm >> writing this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing on my >> mind since reading an article on the mostly unknown involvement of Scottish >> families in the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and >> honoured those families. It makes you feel sick. >> >> I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about >> the practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland by >> the British army for many many years following the battle of Culloden. >> Following that were the highland clearances, ordered by land-owners in >> England. There's a monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice >> an MP in the British Parliament, he later became the British ambassador in >> Paris. People demand that the statue be removed, or at least moved. In >> short, it says more about the British involvement in the slave trade at the >> time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were not directly used, but they were >> used in some arrangement which was directly involved with the slave >> trade. I felt that we had nothing to do with that ugly business. I was born >> in Glasgow, and my ancestors there were all poor working class families. I >> think we should be taught this stuff in school. That's all white-washing >> and as a result we are mostly ignorant. I will apologise for my own >> ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I certainly woke with a >> strong feeling that you could be. >> >> Regards >> >> Steve >> >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. Read >> my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, you’re >> confused by your rage. >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel >> that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of the >> synonyms being a match. >> >> Could I have used another word? Sure, there are many synonyms to choose >> from. I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral principles” >> is precisely what she’s guilty of: >> >> >> https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761&hl=en-US&ei=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM&ins=false&q=unscrupulous&oq=uns&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1......0....1.......5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams <chaircrus...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List >> Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let >> me say this: >> >> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line. >> And in this particular case, patently absurd. Denise has strong opinions >> and you can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous. >> >> To quote Inigo Montoya, "I do not think it means what you think it >> means." >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Agreed, >> >> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out >> just as much as actual racist views/comments. >> >> Next subject? 🤓👊🏿 >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com <ja...@iridite.com> >> wrote: >> >> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.....discussion about Dixon Avenue >> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :) >> >> ANYWAY....let's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love, >> massive respect, nuff said >> >> Jason >> >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams <chaircrus...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's >> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't >> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days. >> >> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 >> years ago? >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust <mar...@dustscience.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36,ja...@iridite.com wrote: >> > >> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him? He's always got a calm and measured >> response in situations like this. >> > >> >> Proper LOL >> >> >> >> >> -- > > -- > b...@bennglazier.com > WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM > >
