On the one hand, Denise has valid points. On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without making other people want to leave the 313 list. I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' uncomfortable. I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular list members only see what's on the list. No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing with black music, and no one should. But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about you, not about the music or the people. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > Allgxxd > > I hear you essay > > Cheers > > On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: > > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: DANIEL BEAN <danbean....@gmail.com> > > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM > > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) > > To: Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> > > > > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore > > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is > > ludicrous, especially at the moment. > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond > > <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did > >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of > >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. > >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her > >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it > >> professionally. So, shhhh. > >> > >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is > >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. > >> > >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? > >> > >> Denise Dalphond > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd <sjoerdvell...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? > >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common > >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division > >> between people by this racebaiting. > >> > >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or > >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the > >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of > >> life. > >> > >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the > >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and > >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward > >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological > >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins > >> of Techno in the Motorcity. > >> > >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond > >> <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do > >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult > >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ > >> > >> Denise > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke > >> <andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Dweller Electronics > >> > >> writings from a black perspective > >> > >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, > >> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have > >> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more > >> relevant work. > >> > >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and > >> “Audio/Visual”. > >> > >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library > > -- > > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > > ethnomusicologist > > schoolcraftwax.work [1] > > > > Links: > > ------ > > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work > >
