You said it well. Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even posting that on-list.
I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me directly, I'll read and respond. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy <the...@gmail.com> wrote: > I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention when I > can. > > For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information about > nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and some we're not. > > Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be one of > a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time in their modern > life to collect all of the reading documents and take the deeper dive > necessary to understand any subject. Unfortunately, not all techno people > are academics-but many are curious, which is a great trait for anyone > academically-minded. > > That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she 'keeps > that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also her life's > work. If many had as much passion and persistence to rely on, we'd all > probably do much more than we already do. > > Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's taken me > years to learn how to choose when and where I call out things I don't > like. I've recently done an interview with Peter Kirn and while I had some > opportunity to say whatever I chose, I realized that denigrating people can > be messy. > > DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more person to > understand better the history of this music and have a better appreciation > for what makes it special and influential. We must all learn together, > those who haven't learned the story should, and those who are attempting to > be helpful should be encouraged to find other resources that could be more > relevant if the ones they share are in some way not. > > I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks instead > of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a daily basis. > We're all here on this list for the music first-But we can also learn from > each other. > > I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams <chaircrus...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. >> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for >> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black >> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. >> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. >> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned >> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of >> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that >> make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' >> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' >> uncomfortable. >> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time >> with complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular >> list members only see what's on the list. >> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing >> with black music, and no one should. >> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about >> you, not about the music or the people. >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >> >>> Allgxxd >>> >>> I hear you essay >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >>> > >>> > ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> > From: DANIEL BEAN <danbean....@gmail.com> >>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >>> > To: Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> >>> > >>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore >>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is >>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond >>> > <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did >>> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of >>> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. >>> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her >>> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it >>> >> professionally. So, shhhh. >>> >> >>> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is >>> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >>> >> >>> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? >>> >> >>> >> Denise Dalphond >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd <sjoerdvell...@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? >>> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common >>> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division >>> >> between people by this racebaiting. >>> >> >>> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or >>> >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the >>> >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of >>> >> life. >>> >> >>> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the >>> >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and >>> >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward >>> >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological >>> >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins >>> >> of Techno in the Motorcity. >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond >>> >> <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do >>> >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult >>> >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >>> >> >>> >> Denise >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke >>> >> <andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Dweller Electronics >>> >> >>> >> writings from a black perspective >>> >> >>> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, >>> >> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have >>> >> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more >>> >> relevant work. >>> >> >>> >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and >>> >> “Audio/Visual”. >>> >> >>> >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >>> > -- >>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >>> > ethnomusicologist >>> > schoolcraftwax.work [1] >>> > >>> > Links: >>> > ------ >>> > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work >>> >>> > > -- > FBK > > Absoloop/Orange 82 >
