maybe the change in pricing of records reflects a change in the market for
these records. the market for the planet e represses, ugly edits etc. is
mainly middle class, (approaching) middle age record collectors. it's no
longer driven by student djs in europe or american inner city kids who
hear the stuff on the dancefloor or on WBMX then run to vinylmania or
gramaphone the next day.
remember all those claims that techno is the new jazz? maybe they're true.
maybe it's a genre full of mainly obsessive balding male record collectors.
james
www.jbucknell.com
"Stewart Caig"
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represses?
> >i'd be interested in hearing back from somebody in detroit whether those
> >
> >69's on the wall at recordtime sell or not. they didnt order many tho.
> >
> > >excellent argument.
> >
> >i respond to hot air with hot air
> >
> > >the repress is exactly identical to the original. how will they
> > >determine which it is? carbon dating a sample from the vinyl?
> >
> >yes wiseass you have to carbon date the vinyl. or look at the
> >runout/label/sleeve. something about it will be different. if its truly
> >identical, than the high price is even more shady -- based on the rarity
> >of
> >the original, which it has suddenly become itself, but widely
> >available..
> >
> > >this is my point though. it would be bad if big name artists just
> > >started selling their records for more because they are who they
> > >are. putting a premium price on an established anthem is
> > >altogether different.
> >
> >which is the "established anthem" on 4 jazz funk? my machines? anthem? i
> >
> >dont think thats quite the right word somehow..more like sought-after
> >techno
> >collector stuff...hence the pricetag...and is this not just because it's
> >
> >carl craig? elite techno stuff? all that old trax stuff was wayyyyyyyy
> >bigger than this...and i think farley trumps craig as far as big
> >names...and
> >those represses were cheap..
> >
> >anthems dont tend to have an inflated pricetag....
> >
> >throw is 1000 times the anthem of anything on 4 jazz funk, but is priced
> >
> >normally. the price of the 69 is to take advantage of collectors. you
> >can
> >argue all you want, yes it's a great record to own, but you got played.
> >of
> >course it's no problem to you if it was worth (personally) what you paid
> >for
> >it. but in the larger context of the record business, it sucks and is a
> >jack
> >move..and its not normally how represses are handled. usually they are
> >aimed
> >at giving rare music a renewed availability and accessibility. the
> >repress
> >is cheap, the original stays valuable and rare and even more sought
> >after...but the pricetage on this is jumping the gun. it's essentially
> >calling a record "rare" even as it's hot off the presses and available
> >everywhere, totally a marketing ploy. it's the record industry
> >collapsing on
> >itself, not looking for new listeners but to instead take existing
> >customers
> >(collectors especially) for all it can...while it can. because soon
> >people
> >will be aware that this record is not so hard to find anymore. there
> >will be
> >copies sitting in stores, the urgency will wear off. the collector
> >demand
> >will evaporate. it's allll a gaaame, and i do not like these games
> >
> > >ill bet you a ton of money on that. look at "shades of jae" by
> > >moodymann. that record has been repressed, even as recently as 5
> >
> >what its worth and what people will pay for it are seperate things
> >sometimes. i've sold records which arent worth a pile of beans for a
> >decent
> >little chunk on eBay. the record collecting business is very similar to
> >comic book collecting. price trends are extreme, and shortlived. what
> >might
> >be "worth" $50 this year, in five years could be worth $5. or you might
> >just
> >find it for $1 in some secondhand store somewhere. some people only look
> >to
> >eBay...italo is crazy on there too. dirt cheap if you actually look for
> >it.
> >like, give a wantlist to somebody you know in nyc or chicago...
> >
> > >im the sucker because i have a record i want? how does that make
> > >sense? IMO youre a sucker if you pass up a chance to buy a great
> >
> >it doesnt make sense, but you asked not me. you're asking yourself
> >questions
> >that dont make sense, which really doesnt make sense.
> >
> >it didnt make sense to pay $17 for 4 jazz funk when we could (and did)
> >spend
> >less money on a couple fragile represses, an original copy of voice of
> >q,
> >and classic old dancemania chit. we got an entire dj set of classics for
> >
> >less than $17. we probably would have bought 4 jazz funk if it was
> >priced
> >normally. if we were eagerly after it, maybe we would have paid the $17.
> >and
> >be happy to have it. but it still doesnt justify the pricing.
> >considering
> >what we could spend our money on instead, it made a whole lot more sense
> >to
> >just hope to run into a cheaper copy some other time
> >
> > >record because of a $10 price increase. dont go out to eat one
> > >night. dont buy a couple drinks next time youre at the club
> > >watching deejays spin. $10 isnt $100, there are so many ways that
> > >money can be spent that is much more worthless than getting a
> > >great record. ill play this 12" way more than 17 times in my life.
> > >even at $1 per play it would be well worth it.
> >
> >well i'm glad you value music so highly, i do too. that's not my point.
> >i'm
> >talking business not just musing about how great such n such music is. i
> >
> >have loads of music that i consider priceless, but thankfully it was
> >priced
> >normally so that i actually got ahold of it.
> >have fun not eating not drinking and playing your overpriced record over
> >and
> >over
> >
> > >good mentality. music cant stay good if it sounds dated? thats
> > >especially funny coming from you, considering the type of music
> > >you like to make.
> >
> >"dated" means it hasnt held up over time. some older things sound old
> >but
> >fresh at the same time -- or not even old. some things dont. if you ever
> >
> >actually dig thru old records this becomes incredibly obvious
> >immediately.
> >there are retroactive records which dont sound so hot anymore, only
> >collectors would drool over them for collecting sake. do you really not
> >understand this or are you just taking an oppurtunity to insult me
> >personally? i appreciate it.
> >my entire life has been spent around the oldest records that exist and
> >in
> >the serious record collecting business. i dont have time to argue with a
> >
> >stubborn and disrespectful person who just wants to toss off insults and
> >
> >sarcastic know-it-all comments
> >
> > >$100 does suck, youre right. $17 OTOH doesnt at all.
> >
> >yes, it sucks too. great, you can afford it. doesnt mean it's right. the
> >
> >only recent repress i would pay that much for is glass domain, just
> >because
> >i have been after it for so so long. and i'd still be pissed off at the
> >unreasonable pricing, you should be too. originals cost money because
> >they
> >are hard to find, brand new represses are only worth the vinyl they're
> >pressed on! music is not priced according to its own greatness! we're in
> >for
> >a real mess if that's the new criteria. music becomes valuable when it
> >is
> >great AND rare. inflated record pricing is NOT GOOD, same as it is not
> >good
> >for cd's...
> >
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