We'll do a test setup with Telrad soon. So I am eager to see it work. But Patick (it's his job) do some powermarketing here so some thoughts.
The Compact does 64QAM. 64 QAM is something like 100Mbit/20MHz Channel. So 25Mbit/Subscriber does only scale to some extent with Netflix Users. Higher quality gear like Compact is expected to scale better than cheap wifi-stuff. It can do 2 Channels so 200Mbit is what we expect to see. Talking higher numbers is promising higher LTE Categories/higher Modulation which will/might be implemented with Compact but not with the Compact and the 7000 CPE you buy today. This is what my reps say. Doing Wimax Compact does 2x10MHz Channels. So 100Mbit/s is to be expected (Enabling the second channel is a option to pay for ...). It will deliver higher per/CPE speeds than older wimax gear. Compact needs additional components which WISPs do not like (we want plain layer 2 transport). This components differ between Wimax and LTE. So upgrade from WiMAX to LTE needs some work and money. Comparing e.g. a ePMP or upcoming Mimosa Network to a LTE Network we see at least 3 times the money for the same amount of subscribers with LTE. Mimosa promises some features like beamforming and dual radio that comes close to the Compact and it does 256QAM. At microcells with clear LOS a good .ac radio outperforms a 2x20MHz LTE Radio without problem. Mimosa will do 2x80MHz. 2x40 sounds realistic. Why we want to use the Compact? We need a gear with additional coverage to reach customers we cant reach with 5GHz Gear. Here we expect the Compact to shine. We are happy with Purewave 6600 in this regard. But it seems there is no progress with Purewave (now Mercury). >The more I do wireless, the more I prefer the microcell model. Telrad's >equipment certainly seems like something you would use in a macrocell-type >setup, if for no other reason than price. >I've seen much more consistent >jitter when using Ubiquiti in a microcell vs macrocell application. On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Patrick Leary < patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: > That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do though > think the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red herring. > I've never in my entire career had an actual operator using my gear > telling latency caused them problems. The issue is really jitter, and > we do better than UBNT on that. Our first LTE beta Daniel Moore at > Unggoy in Iowa) even had his link scored between his Telrad and > COMPACT and the Telrad won in terms of gaming performance. > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about Base >> Station either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has and >> Mimosa is releasing, I could get more bandwidth and lower latency to >> the end user at a lower price - this is what WISPs have excelled at >> for many years. I'm sure your equipment has its place and the NLoS >> capabilities would certainly be helpful. A competent operator coming >> to any given area with your equipment does not equal a shut door. >> >> -Jason >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Patrick Leary < >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Know this though, should a competent COMPACT operator come into your >>> market...your goose is cooked. Until then, hold any opinion that >>> makes you comfortable. >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Patrick Leary > Director BD, North America, Telrad > 727.501.3735 > patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] > patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my > corporate address] > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150221/bcfa534c/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:54:04 -0700 From: Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just "Powerpointware"? Message-ID: <caewy7_s_z9k0moj+drulhacf-w0x4npp8mtneptoiwgd7uf...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" They had a microcell vs macrocell seminar at show but I was in Phoenix Contact training off site.... in 20 words or less what is difference? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > The more I do wireless, the more I prefer the microcell model. > Telrad's equipment certainly seems like something you would use in a > macrocell-type setup, if for no other reason than price. I've seen > much more consistent jitter when using Ubiquiti in a microcell vs macrocell > application. > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Patrick Leary < > patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do though >> think the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red herring. >> I've never in my entire career had an actual operator using my gear >> telling latency caused them problems. The issue is really jitter, and >> we do better than UBNT on that. Our first LTE beta Daniel Moore at >> Unggoy in Iowa) even had his link scored between his Telrad and >> COMPACT and the Telrad won in terms of gaming performance. >> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >>> Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about Base >>> Station either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has and >>> Mimosa is releasing, I could get more bandwidth and lower latency to >>> the end user at a lower price - this is what WISPs have excelled at >>> for many years. I'm sure your equipment has its place and the NLoS >>> capabilities would certainly be helpful. A competent operator >>> coming to any given area with your equipment does not equal a shut door. >>> >>> -Jason >>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Patrick Leary < >>> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Know this though, should a competent COMPACT operator come into >>>> your market...your goose is cooked. Until then, hold any opinion >>>> that makes you comfortable. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Patrick Leary >> Director BD, North America, Telrad >> 727.501.3735 >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] >> patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my >> corporate address] >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150221/13a2913e/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 13:57:13 -0500 From: Patrick Leary <patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just "Powerpointware"? Message-ID: <calnc2sp3eqwg-oxw4e7wmnemdb_t+jkgyfzn7jw_k3gykqb...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" No one is saying f'off but you. I responding to your disbelief. I'm never going to convince everyone, nor will we ever be a fit for everyone, nor do we want everyone. Right now we are attracting a pretty good crowd, mostly consisting of long time Cambium users. And I mean major WISPs; lots of them. They'll be outing themselves as they move beyond trials. Some already have. You don't think Cambium's sudden promo re paying you to upgrade from 320 to 450 is an accident or simple act of good will do you? In any event, the question of affordability is not one I can answer for you. I can only inform what WE think and share the feedback of others. Making the economic works is just as much a "it depends" reality on your side as is my not having a stock number for a "system" I can quote you. Notice though I have tried anyway and I've been clear on CPE numbers; those are simple enough to provide. I have lots of small WISPs entering trials and a few in deployment. When BridgeNet in Ocala, FL pulled the trigger, they only have about 200 UBNT up. They tried that and all the usual suspects for almost 2 years to no success. Then they tried the COMPACT and it completely altered their entire business model. On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:48 PM, That One Guy <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > So the solution to the price points and the legitimate concerns of > smaller operators is not to address them directly, but rather to > insult prospective customers? I understand, a customer concerned about > cost is likely not going to be a good long term prospect when selling > a higher ended product with an associated price point. But to just > simply not address the concerns raised from a technical or diplomatic > standpoint, rather just dismissively insult that little guy is cause > for alarm. Is that the stance of the entire company or a single rep? > UBNT, the thorn in every manufacturers side vehemently defends their > product, right or wrong, and tries to win over their customers > Cambium, the dominant manufacturer in the WISP market will make > contact and resolve reservations, either with good or bad final outcomes. > Telrad apparently is going to just tell consumers to fuck off. > > I dont mind being told to fuck off, if you have a product that works > as advertised. When we were an Alvarion shop, Alvarion told me to fuck > off on more than one occasion. But then again, their products had > their pudding sitting right on the table at the time. > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Patrick Leary < > patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Meant to say between his Telrad gear and his UBNT links. >> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Patrick Leary < >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do >>> though think the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red >>> herring. I've never in my entire career had an actual operator using >>> my gear telling latency caused them problems. The issue is really >>> jitter, and we do better than UBNT on that. Our first LTE beta >>> Daniel Moore at Unggoy in Iowa) even had his link scored between his >>> Telrad and COMPACT and the Telrad won in terms of gaming performance. >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jason McKemie < >>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about >>>> Base Station either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has >>>> and Mimosa is releasing, I could get more bandwidth and lower >>>> latency to the end user at a lower price - this is what WISPs have >>>> excelled at for many years. I'm sure your equipment has its place >>>> and the NLoS capabilities would certainly be helpful. A competent >>>> operator coming to any given area with your equipment does not equal a >>>> shut door. >>>> >>>> -Jason >>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Patrick Leary < >>>> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Know this though, should a competent COMPACT operator come into >>>>> your market...your goose is cooked. Until then, hold any opinion >>>>> that makes you comfortable. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Patrick Leary >>> Director BD, North America, Telrad >>> 727.501.3735 >>> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] >>> patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my >>> corporate address] >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Patrick Leary >> Director BD, North America, Telrad >> 727.501.3735 >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] >> patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my >> corporate address] >> > > > > -- > All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that > the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if > you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all > means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 > -- Patrick Leary Director BD, North America, Telrad 727.501.3735 patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my corporate address] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150221/8b87a639/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Af mailing list Af@afmug.com http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af ------------------------------ End of Af Digest, Vol 6, Issue 795 **********************************
