Can you even use 20mhz channels in 3.65? What about 6 20mhz channels for 3 sectors per tower (each sector with 2 carriers)? Or is this only realistic if 355 comes available ? On Feb 21, 2015 11:38 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> wrote:
> We'll do a test setup with Telrad soon. So I am eager to see it work. > > But Patick (it's his job) do some powermarketing here so some thoughts. > > The Compact does 64QAM. 64 QAM is something like 100Mbit/20MHz Channel. > So 25Mbit/Subscriber does only scale to some extent with Netflix Users. > Higher quality gear like Compact is expected to scale better than cheap > wifi-stuff. > It can do 2 Channels so 200Mbit is what we expect to see. > Talking higher numbers is promising higher LTE Categories/higher > Modulation which > will/might be implemented with Compact but not with the Compact and the > 7000 CPE > you buy today. This is what my reps say. > Doing Wimax Compact does 2x10MHz Channels. So 100Mbit/s is to be expected > (Enabling the second channel is a option to pay for ...). It will deliver > higher per/CPE speeds > than older wimax gear. > > Compact needs additional components which WISPs do not like (we want plain > layer 2 transport). > This components differ between Wimax and LTE. So upgrade from WiMAX to LTE > needs some work and money. > > Comparing e.g. a ePMP or upcoming Mimosa Network to a LTE Network we see > at least 3 times the > money for the same amount of subscribers with LTE. Mimosa promises some > features like > beamforming and dual radio that comes close to the Compact and it does > 256QAM. > At microcells with clear LOS a good .ac radio outperforms a 2x20MHz LTE > Radio without problem. > Mimosa will do 2x80MHz. 2x40 sounds realistic. > > Why we want to use the Compact? We need a gear with additional coverage to > reach customers we cant > reach with 5GHz Gear. Here we expect the Compact to shine. We are happy > with Purewave 6600 in this regard. > But it seems there is no progress with Purewave (now Mercury). > > > > >The more I do wireless, the more I prefer the microcell model. Telrad's > equipment certainly seems like something you would use in a macrocell-type > setup, if for no other reason than price. >I've seen much more consistent > jitter when using Ubiquiti in a microcell vs macrocell application. > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Patrick Leary < > patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do though > > think the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red herring. > > I've never in my entire career had an actual operator using my gear > > telling latency caused them problems. The issue is really jitter, and > > we do better than UBNT on that. Our first LTE beta Daniel Moore at > > Unggoy in Iowa) even had his link scored between his Telrad and > > COMPACT and the Telrad won in terms of gaming performance. > > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jason McKemie < > > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > > > >> Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about Base > >> Station either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has and > >> Mimosa is releasing, I could get more bandwidth and lower latency to > >> the end user at a lower price - this is what WISPs have excelled at > >> for many years. I'm sure your equipment has its place and the NLoS > >> capabilities would certainly be helpful. A competent operator coming > >> to any given area with your equipment does not equal a shut door. > >> > >> -Jason > >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Patrick Leary < > >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Know this though, should a competent COMPACT operator come into your > >>> market...your goose is cooked. Until then, hold any opinion that > >>> makes you comfortable. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Patrick Leary > > Director BD, North America, Telrad > > 727.501.3735 > > patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] > > patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my > > corporate address] > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150221/bcfa534c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:54:04 -0700 > From: Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just > "Powerpointware"? > Message-ID: > < > caewy7_s_z9k0moj+drulhacf-w0x4npp8mtneptoiwgd7uf...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > They had a microcell vs macrocell seminar at show but I was in Phoenix > Contact training off site.... > in 20 words or less what is difference? > > Jaime Solorza > Wireless Systems Architect > 915-861-1390 > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > > > The more I do wireless, the more I prefer the microcell model. > > Telrad's equipment certainly seems like something you would use in a > > macrocell-type setup, if for no other reason than price. I've seen > > much more consistent jitter when using Ubiquiti in a microcell vs > macrocell application. > > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Patrick Leary < > > patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do though > >> think the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red herring. > >> I've never in my entire career had an actual operator using my gear > >> telling latency caused them problems. The issue is really jitter, and > >> we do better than UBNT on that. Our first LTE beta Daniel Moore at > >> Unggoy in Iowa) even had his link scored between his Telrad and > >> COMPACT and the Telrad won in terms of gaming performance. > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jason McKemie < > >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about Base > >>> Station either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has and > >>> Mimosa is releasing, I could get more bandwidth and lower latency to > >>> the end user at a lower price - this is what WISPs have excelled at > >>> for many years. I'm sure your equipment has its place and the NLoS > >>> capabilities would certainly be helpful. A competent operator > >>> coming to any given area with your equipment does not equal a shut > door. > >>> > >>> -Jason > >>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Patrick Leary < > >>> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Know this though, should a competent COMPACT operator come into > >>>> your market...your goose is cooked. Until then, hold any opinion > >>>> that makes you comfortable. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Patrick Leary > >> Director BD, North America, Telrad > >> 727.501.3735 > >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] > >> patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my > >> corporate address] > >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150221/13a2913e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 13:57:13 -0500 > From: Patrick Leary <patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just > "Powerpointware"? > Message-ID: > < > calnc2sp3eqwg-oxw4e7wmnemdb_t+jkgyfzn7jw_k3gykqb...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > No one is saying f'off but you. I responding to your disbelief. I'm never > going to convince everyone, nor will we ever be a fit for everyone, nor do > we want everyone. Right now we are attracting a pretty good crowd, mostly > consisting of long time Cambium users. And I mean major WISPs; lots of > them. They'll be outing themselves as they move beyond trials. Some already > have. You don't think Cambium's sudden promo re paying you to upgrade from > 320 to 450 is an accident or simple act of good will do you? > > In any event, the question of affordability is not one I can answer for > you. I can only inform what WE think and share the feedback of others. > Making the economic works is just as much a "it depends" reality on your > side as is my not having a stock number for a "system" I can quote you. > Notice though I have tried anyway and I've been clear on CPE numbers; > those are simple enough to provide. I have lots of small WISPs entering > trials and a few in deployment. When BridgeNet in Ocala, FL pulled the > trigger, they only have about 200 UBNT up. They tried that and all the > usual suspects for almost 2 years to no success. Then they tried the > COMPACT and it completely altered their entire business model. > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:48 PM, That One Guy <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > So the solution to the price points and the legitimate concerns of > > smaller operators is not to address them directly, but rather to > > insult prospective customers? I understand, a customer concerned about > > cost is likely not going to be a good long term prospect when selling > > a higher ended product with an associated price point. But to just > > simply not address the concerns raised from a technical or diplomatic > > standpoint, rather just dismissively insult that little guy is cause > > for alarm. Is that the stance of the entire company or a single rep? > > UBNT, the thorn in every manufacturers side vehemently defends their > > product, right or wrong, and tries to win over their customers > > Cambium, the dominant manufacturer in the WISP market will make > > contact and resolve reservations, either with good or bad final outcomes. > > Telrad apparently is going to just tell consumers to fuck off. > > > > I dont mind being told to fuck off, if you have a product that works > > as advertised. When we were an Alvarion shop, Alvarion told me to fuck > > off on more than one occasion. But then again, their products had > > their pudding sitting right on the table at the time. > > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Patrick Leary < > > patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Meant to say between his Telrad gear and his UBNT links. > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Patrick Leary < > >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do > >>> though think the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red > >>> herring. I've never in my entire career had an actual operator using > >>> my gear telling latency caused them problems. The issue is really > >>> jitter, and we do better than UBNT on that. Our first LTE beta > >>> Daniel Moore at Unggoy in Iowa) even had his link scored between his > >>> Telrad and COMPACT and the Telrad won in terms of gaming performance. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jason McKemie < > >>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about > >>>> Base Station either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has > >>>> and Mimosa is releasing, I could get more bandwidth and lower > >>>> latency to the end user at a lower price - this is what WISPs have > >>>> excelled at for many years. I'm sure your equipment has its place > >>>> and the NLoS capabilities would certainly be helpful. A competent > >>>> operator coming to any given area with your equipment does not equal > a shut door. > >>>> > >>>> -Jason > >>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Patrick Leary < > >>>> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Know this though, should a competent COMPACT operator come into > >>>>> your market...your goose is cooked. Until then, hold any opinion > >>>>> that makes you comfortable. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Patrick Leary > >>> Director BD, North America, Telrad > >>> 727.501.3735 > >>> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] > >>> patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my > >>> corporate address] > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Patrick Leary > >> Director BD, North America, Telrad > >> 727.501.3735 > >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] > >> patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my > >> corporate address] > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that > > the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if > > you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all > > means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 > > > > > > -- > Patrick Leary > Director BD, North America, Telrad > 727.501.3735 > patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] > patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my corporate > address] > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150221/8b87a639/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Af mailing list > Af@afmug.com > http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Af Digest, Vol 6, Issue 795 > ********************************** > > > >
