Yes. With three sectors, our engineers though prefer A20/B10/A20. With 4 sectors, they prefer A20/B20/A20/B20. We do have 3.65 GHz customers in denser markets up north doing as much as 8 sectors. Not sure the channel size being used on those.
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:51 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > Can you even use 20mhz channels in 3.65? What about 6 20mhz channels for 3 > sectors per tower (each sector with 2 carriers)? Or is this only realistic > if 355 comes available ? > On Feb 21, 2015 11:38 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> wrote: > >> We'll do a test setup with Telrad soon. So I am eager to see it work. >> >> But Patick (it's his job) do some powermarketing here so some thoughts. >> >> The Compact does 64QAM. 64 QAM is something like 100Mbit/20MHz Channel. >> So 25Mbit/Subscriber does only scale to some extent with Netflix Users. >> Higher quality gear like Compact is expected to scale better than cheap >> wifi-stuff. >> It can do 2 Channels so 200Mbit is what we expect to see. >> Talking higher numbers is promising higher LTE Categories/higher >> Modulation which >> will/might be implemented with Compact but not with the Compact and the >> 7000 CPE >> you buy today. This is what my reps say. >> Doing Wimax Compact does 2x10MHz Channels. So 100Mbit/s is to be expected >> (Enabling the second channel is a option to pay for ...). It will deliver >> higher per/CPE speeds >> than older wimax gear. >> >> Compact needs additional components which WISPs do not like (we want >> plain layer 2 transport). >> This components differ between Wimax and LTE. So upgrade from WiMAX to >> LTE needs some work and money. >> >> Comparing e.g. a ePMP or upcoming Mimosa Network to a LTE Network we see >> at least 3 times the >> money for the same amount of subscribers with LTE. Mimosa promises some >> features like >> beamforming and dual radio that comes close to the Compact and it does >> 256QAM. >> At microcells with clear LOS a good .ac radio outperforms a 2x20MHz LTE >> Radio without problem. >> Mimosa will do 2x80MHz. 2x40 sounds realistic. >> >> Why we want to use the Compact? We need a gear with additional coverage >> to reach customers we cant >> reach with 5GHz Gear. Here we expect the Compact to shine. We are happy >> with Purewave 6600 in this regard. >> But it seems there is no progress with Purewave (now Mercury). >> >> >> >> >The more I do wireless, the more I prefer the microcell model. Telrad's >> equipment certainly seems like something you would use in a macrocell-type >> setup, if for no other reason than price. >I've seen much more consistent >> jitter when using Ubiquiti in a microcell vs macrocell application. >> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Patrick Leary < >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do though >> > think the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red herring. >> > I've never in my entire career had an actual operator using my gear >> > telling latency caused them problems. The issue is really jitter, and >> > we do better than UBNT on that. Our first LTE beta Daniel Moore at >> > Unggoy in Iowa) even had his link scored between his Telrad and >> > COMPACT and the Telrad won in terms of gaming performance. >> > >> > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jason McKemie < >> > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about Base >> >> Station either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has and >> >> Mimosa is releasing, I could get more bandwidth and lower latency to >> >> the end user at a lower price - this is what WISPs have excelled at >> >> for many years. I'm sure your equipment has its place and the NLoS >> >> capabilities would certainly be helpful. A competent operator coming >> >> to any given area with your equipment does not equal a shut door. >> >> >> >> -Jason >> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Patrick Leary < >> >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Know this though, should a competent COMPACT operator come into your >> >>> market...your goose is cooked. Until then, hold any opinion that >> >>> makes you comfortable. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Patrick Leary >> > Director BD, North America, Telrad >> > 727.501.3735 >> > patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] >> > patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my >> > corporate address] >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150221/bcfa534c/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:54:04 -0700 >> From: Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just >> "Powerpointware"? >> Message-ID: >> < >> caewy7_s_z9k0moj+drulhacf-w0x4npp8mtneptoiwgd7uf...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> They had a microcell vs macrocell seminar at show but I was in Phoenix >> Contact training off site.... >> in 20 words or less what is difference? >> >> Jaime Solorza >> Wireless Systems Architect >> 915-861-1390 >> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >> > The more I do wireless, the more I prefer the microcell model. >> > Telrad's equipment certainly seems like something you would use in a >> > macrocell-type setup, if for no other reason than price. I've seen >> > much more consistent jitter when using Ubiquiti in a microcell vs >> macrocell application. >> > >> > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Patrick Leary < >> > patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do though >> >> think the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red herring. >> >> I've never in my entire career had an actual operator using my gear >> >> telling latency caused them problems. The issue is really jitter, and >> >> we do better than UBNT on that. Our first LTE beta Daniel Moore at >> >> Unggoy in Iowa) even had his link scored between his Telrad and >> >> COMPACT and the Telrad won in terms of gaming performance. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jason McKemie < >> >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about Base >> >>> Station either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has and >> >>> Mimosa is releasing, I could get more bandwidth and lower latency to >> >>> the end user at a lower price - this is what WISPs have excelled at >> >>> for many years. I'm sure your equipment has its place and the NLoS >> >>> capabilities would certainly be helpful. A competent operator >> >>> coming to any given area with your equipment does not equal a shut >> door. >> >>> >> >>> -Jason >> >>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Patrick Leary < >> >>> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Know this though, should a competent COMPACT operator come into >> >>>> your market...your goose is cooked. Until then, hold any opinion >> >>>> that makes you comfortable. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Patrick Leary >> >> Director BD, North America, Telrad >> >> 727.501.3735 >> >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] >> >> patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my >> >> corporate address] >> >> >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150221/13a2913e/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 13:57:13 -0500 >> From: Patrick Leary <patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just >> "Powerpointware"? >> Message-ID: >> < >> calnc2sp3eqwg-oxw4e7wmnemdb_t+jkgyfzn7jw_k3gykqb...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> No one is saying f'off but you. I responding to your disbelief. I'm never >> going to convince everyone, nor will we ever be a fit for everyone, nor do >> we want everyone. Right now we are attracting a pretty good crowd, mostly >> consisting of long time Cambium users. And I mean major WISPs; lots of >> them. They'll be outing themselves as they move beyond trials. Some already >> have. You don't think Cambium's sudden promo re paying you to upgrade from >> 320 to 450 is an accident or simple act of good will do you? >> >> In any event, the question of affordability is not one I can answer for >> you. I can only inform what WE think and share the feedback of others. >> Making the economic works is just as much a "it depends" reality on your >> side as is my not having a stock number for a "system" I can quote you. >> Notice though I have tried anyway and I've been clear on CPE numbers; >> those are simple enough to provide. I have lots of small WISPs entering >> trials and a few in deployment. When BridgeNet in Ocala, FL pulled the >> trigger, they only have about 200 UBNT up. They tried that and all the >> usual suspects for almost 2 years to no success. Then they tried the >> COMPACT and it completely altered their entire business model. >> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:48 PM, That One Guy <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > So the solution to the price points and the legitimate concerns of >> > smaller operators is not to address them directly, but rather to >> > insult prospective customers? I understand, a customer concerned about >> > cost is likely not going to be a good long term prospect when selling >> > a higher ended product with an associated price point. But to just >> > simply not address the concerns raised from a technical or diplomatic >> > standpoint, rather just dismissively insult that little guy is cause >> > for alarm. Is that the stance of the entire company or a single rep? >> > UBNT, the thorn in every manufacturers side vehemently defends their >> > product, right or wrong, and tries to win over their customers >> > Cambium, the dominant manufacturer in the WISP market will make >> > contact and resolve reservations, either with good or bad final >> outcomes. >> > Telrad apparently is going to just tell consumers to fuck off. >> > >> > I dont mind being told to fuck off, if you have a product that works >> > as advertised. When we were an Alvarion shop, Alvarion told me to fuck >> > off on more than one occasion. But then again, their products had >> > their pudding sitting right on the table at the time. >> > >> > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Patrick Leary < >> > patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Meant to say between his Telrad gear and his UBNT links. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Patrick Leary < >> >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do >> >>> though think the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red >> >>> herring. I've never in my entire career had an actual operator using >> >>> my gear telling latency caused them problems. The issue is really >> >>> jitter, and we do better than UBNT on that. Our first LTE beta >> >>> Daniel Moore at Unggoy in Iowa) even had his link scored between his >> >>> Telrad and COMPACT and the Telrad won in terms of gaming performance. >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jason McKemie < >> >>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about >> >>>> Base Station either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has >> >>>> and Mimosa is releasing, I could get more bandwidth and lower >> >>>> latency to the end user at a lower price - this is what WISPs have >> >>>> excelled at for many years. I'm sure your equipment has its place >> >>>> and the NLoS capabilities would certainly be helpful. A competent >> >>>> operator coming to any given area with your equipment does not equal >> a shut door. >> >>>> >> >>>> -Jason >> >>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Patrick Leary < >> >>>> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Know this though, should a competent COMPACT operator come into >> >>>>> your market...your goose is cooked. Until then, hold any opinion >> >>>>> that makes you comfortable. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Patrick Leary >> >>> Director BD, North America, Telrad >> >>> 727.501.3735 >> >>> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] >> >>> patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my >> >>> corporate address] >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Patrick Leary >> >> Director BD, North America, Telrad >> >> 727.501.3735 >> >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] >> >> patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my >> >> corporate address] >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >> > the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >> > you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all >> > means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Patrick Leary >> Director BD, North America, Telrad >> 727.501.3735 >> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] >> patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my >> corporate address] >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150221/8b87a639/attachment.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Af mailing list >> Af@afmug.com >> http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Af Digest, Vol 6, Issue 795 >> ********************************** >> >> >> >> -- Patrick Leary Director BD, North America, Telrad 727.501.3735 patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] patrick.le...@telrad.com <patrick.le...@telrad.com> [this is my corporate address]
