Does the gpon version have integrated optics? That could account for the price difference...
On Saturday, January 2, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > Interesting. I'm curious why our price on the gpon version is $244/ea then. > On Jan 1, 2016 10:41 PM, "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>> wrote: > >> It's the 844E copper Ethernet version. >> >> >> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@kyneticwifi.com');>> wrote: >> >>> Wait, are these the gpon gigacenters, 802.11AC, beamforming? >>> On Jan 1, 2016 9:31 PM, "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't know where you are getting your pricing for calix Josh but we >>>> are paying nowhere near what you are stating here. >>>> >>>> We buy the gigacenters for $149 and the cloud platform is $150/mo for >>>> 500 users. >>>> >>>> We charge $99 "setup fee" to our clients and $12/mo. for our "managed >>>> wifi" service. ROI is ~4months/client. >>>> >>>> So the first 13 clients pay for the cloud platform for the other 487. >>>> >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have a very modest home if you don't count the barn and unfinished >>>>> basement. Around 1860sqrft. 5GHz barely works through one plaster or >>>>> sheetrock wall in my home. >>>>> >>>>> I'm "desiring" a solution where we can have the customer name and >>>>> account number in the admin panel, then drill down and manage their gpon >>>>> router, and the multiple wireless APs on their account. Flow export is >>>>> okay, but procera does a far better job than calix in that regard (data >>>>> monitoring for customer troubleshooting). >>>>> >>>>> Hopefully this comes to fruition without costing us $7+ /sub/month >>>>> like calix does. >>>>> On Jan 1, 2016 5:42 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Interesting they refer to 2.4 GHz as for “legacy devices”. I suspect >>>>>> that 5 GHz in the large homes of the likely target market will need more >>>>>> than 1 access point to cover the entire house, despite the best MIMO and >>>>>> beamforming technology. Especially the way some customers resist >>>>>> locating >>>>>> the router at the center of the house because “I don’t want to look at >>>>>> wires”. >>>>>> >>>>>> Really, new houses should be designed and wired with probably 10 >>>>>> gigabit Internet in mind, assuming you won’t want to rip the walls open >>>>>> in >>>>>> 10 or 20 years to rewire. If rooms are designed with places for “network >>>>>> boxes” and fiber or Cat6/7 cable back to a hub point, the electronics can >>>>>> be upgraded as technology evolves. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 01, 2016 4:50 PM >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.calix.com/systems/gigafamily-overview/GigaCenters.html >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 01, 2016 3:36 PM >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok, do you have a link to information then? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I’m not familiar with Calix for this particular solution, though I’ve >>>>>> heard of them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, I’m lazy J >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 1, 2016 3:25 PM >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> $149 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> For $200? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto: >>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Sean >>>>>> Heskett >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 1, 2016 2:24 PM >>>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Calix can do all that and a whole lot more sterling >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < >>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I hear you. >>>>>> >>>>>> My new year's goal is to find a better solution for my customers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately, at 100-1000Mbps, the pickings are still slim. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to use MikroTik and manage the routing, but I'm finding >>>>>> that it's still best to get a really nice $100-$300+ single Wireless AC >>>>>> router and place it in the center of the house. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I would really like is a good split solution with routing in the >>>>>> head/basement, and wireless AC in bridge mode in one or two places in the >>>>>> house. >>>>>> >>>>>> But that doesn't seem to exist. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:30 AM >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm seeing a gradual increase in customers leasing a managed Mikrotik >>>>>> from us, we charge $5/mo for a RB951G-2HnD which has been very trouble >>>>>> free >>>>>> for us once we tweak a couple WiFi parameters. I think they look at the >>>>>> pile of discarded routers in their closet and decide to let someone else >>>>>> deal with it. Most still fall into either the "I can buy one at Walmart >>>>>> for $50" camp or the "I like going to Best Buy and letting the sales guy >>>>>> talk me into the >>>>>> $250 router because I like shopping for expensive toys" camp. And >>>>>> people still look at the humble little white Mikrotik in its plain brown >>>>>> box and think it can't possibly match their big black AC1900 router that >>>>>> looks like a weapon from Star Wars. >>>>>> >>>>>> The question I guess is whether to join the cable/telco crowd and >>>>>> supply the WiFi router and manage it for no additional revenue, and then >>>>>> what to do about the people who still want to put their own Star Wars >>>>>> router behind it. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is very disappointing that since Belkin bought Linksys they are >>>>>> now designing their own Linksys branded routers that are far worse than >>>>>> the >>>>>> Linksys designed E series which certainly had their own problems. I >>>>>> replaced a customer's Belksys AC1900 router with a Mikrotik this week and >>>>>> they went from having total dead spots in parts of their house on both >>>>>> 2.4 >>>>>> and 5 GHz to having full bars and great performance everywhere including >>>>>> the basement. Their minds were boggled at this little white box with no >>>>>> external antennas blowing away the big black monster. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of the household brands, Netgear doesn't seem all that bad, except >>>>>> their low end WNR2000 has a really high failure rate. I see people >>>>>> starting to trend toward less known brands like Asus and TP-Link. But >>>>>> too >>>>>> many of my customers think the electronics store is "Walmart" and they >>>>>> seem >>>>>> to come back with these Belkin pieces of crap, I particularly hate the >>>>>> model that only has 1 LED on the whole router and you have to interpret >>>>>> the >>>>>> color and number of flashes, it's like figuring out what R2D2 is saying. >>>>>> What's that R2? No link on port 3? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Simon Westlake >>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 11:04 AM >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>>> >>>>>> I've honestly given up completely on all residential routers, they >>>>>> seem to be slowly converging on a common denominator which is that none >>>>>> of >>>>>> them work properly and only last a few months. I had to replace my router >>>>>> recently, and just got a Mikrotik instead. One of the guys I work with >>>>>> just >>>>>> replaced his old Linksys with a Mikrotik, and all of his minor problems >>>>>> went away. >>>>>> >>>>>> I used to think that it was a bad idea to provide managed routers to >>>>>> end users, but I'm slowly changing my mind after realizing how many >>>>>> issues >>>>>> are caused by them. There's also a lot you could do to provide better >>>>>> service to an end user, hypothetically.. let's say you put in a DD-WRT or >>>>>> Mikrotik router and setup some shaping on the client side with SFQ. >>>>>> They'd probably see a lot less issues with their Netflix buffering >>>>>> when their Xbox was downloading a game, or their VoIP cutting out when >>>>>> they're watching Daredevil in 4K. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/1/2016 10:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>> > I had a bad dream where all my customers go to Walmart and buy >>>>>> Belkin >>>>>> > routers. I tried to wake up but I wasn't dreaming. >>>>>> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Simon Westlake >>>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>>>>> Email: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','simon@sonar.software'); >>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>>>>> --------------------------- >>>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software >>>>>> >>>>>>
