Whatever it is, it needs to be managed. That is one thing that killed Mikrotik's outdoor "ONT" device for me - it is just passive, no way to do any actual diagnostics.
On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > At a recent show I spent some time asking people about doing this very > product... > > That is, a DC powered fiber to poe injector. Small box at the top, run > power and fiber to it, and a short jumper to the radio. I had gotten as > far as finding the appropriate silicon to do this. > > I also asked on this list. > > The response I got was underwhelming. Either they had no interest in this > at all or they didn't see any reason why they wouldn't just put a small > netonix in a box at the top and then only run a single fiber. After asking > a lot of potential costumers and I don't think getting a single positive > feedback I abandoned the idea, although I still think it's an excellent > idea. > > On Jan 2, 2016 9:33 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com');>> wrote: > > > > No, I mean a single-port media converter and a PoE injector in a box > that goes on the tower next to the radio. A 2-3 foot cat5 out to the > radio's POE+data port. > > > > Fiber + power coming from the shelter. A DC input block. An SFP or even > a fixed optical interface would be fine. 24-48VDC powers this box and also > sends POE out of the RJ45 port w/ jumpers to select pair polarity like a > GIGE-APC-POE. Kinda parasitic power like Forrest's SyncPipe Parasitic's. > > > > I'm thinking it would also be pretty cool not only for stuff like the > AF24, but think about 450 or 450i APs too. If it could also pass > sync-over-power, you'd have a very usable product. I know at one point > Forrest was talking about doing a SyncInjector module that only put out > power+sync, no ethernet. The idea was to feed it into your GIGE-APC-POE > cards. > > > > Most of the -48 licensed stuff already has DC + fiber input, so this > wouldn't be for that. I guess it would work for radios like the Exalt > ExtendAir G2 which is copper PoE only, and either secondary copper GigE or > special order T1/E1, but the main port is 802.3at POE. > > > > > > On 1/2/2016 10:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> > >> No, that is a different project. > >> > >> So you want to inject POE into an ethernet circuit? Both of my POE > surge suppressors will do that. > >> > >> From: George Skorup > >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 9:07 PM > >> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream > >> > >> Is that the media converter thing you were talking about? > >> > >> Can you make something like that in reverse? Say I have a hybrid > power+fiber cable up the tower and I want to power up a 20-56VDC radio. The > most common thing I'm thinking of here is an AF24, because UBNT decided not > to put an SFP and a DC input block on the damn things. For one or two > radios, at different heights I might add, throwing something like a Netonix > switch up there doesn't make sense. Plus they're PTPs that I want to go > straight into physical router interfaces. The media converter should also > pass through the link status in both directions. I have some cheap-o > Startech media converters that don't do that, even though there's a dip > switch for it, but it doesn't work, and it pisses me off. > >> > >> On 1/2/2016 9:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >>> > >>> It is my APC-POE surge suppressor combined with a 48 to 12 VDC buck > converter. Right now it is a kludge. If it powers up the 844E OK under > max load while being powered from a netonix switch I will combine the two > circuits onto a board and look for an appropriate case for it. > >>> > >>> From: Chris Fabien > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 7:30 PM > >>> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream > >>> > >>> > >>> Can you share more ingo on this chuck? The poe adapter. > >>> > >>> On Jan 1, 2016 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Yep, I am building a POE adapter for the gigacenter too... > >>>> Love their flow software. > >>>> > >>>> From: Sean Heskett > >>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 2:24 PM > >>>> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> > >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream > >>>> > >>>> Calix can do all that and a whole lot more sterling > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I hear you. > >>>>> > >>>>> My new year's goal is to find a better solution for my customers. > >>>>> > >>>>> Unfortunately, at 100-1000Mbps, the pickings are still slim. > >>>>> > >>>>> I would like to use MikroTik and manage the routing, but I'm finding > that it's still best to get a really nice $100-$300+ single Wireless AC > router and place it in the center of the house. > >>>>> > >>>>> What I would really like is a good split solution with routing in > the head/basement, and wireless AC in bridge mode in one or two places in > the house. > >>>>> > >>>>> But that doesn't seem to exist. > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] On Behalf Of Ken > Hohhof > >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:30 AM > >>>>> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm seeing a gradual increase in customers leasing a managed > Mikrotik from us, we charge $5/mo for a RB951G-2HnD which has been very > trouble free for us once we tweak a couple WiFi parameters. I think they > look at the pile of discarded routers in their closet and decide to let > someone else deal with it. Most still fall into either the "I can buy one > at Walmart for $50" camp or the "I like going to Best Buy and letting the > sales guy talk me into the > >>>>> $250 router because I like shopping for expensive toys" camp. And > people still look at the humble little white Mikrotik in its plain brown > box and think it can't possibly match their big black AC1900 router that > looks like a weapon from Star Wars. > >>>>> > >>>>> The question I guess is whether to join the cable/telco crowd and > supply the WiFi router and manage it for no additional revenue, and then > what to do about the people who still want to put their own Star Wars > router behind it. > >>>>> > >>>>> It is very disappointing that since Belkin bought Linksys they are > now designing their own Linksys branded routers that are far worse than the > Linksys designed E series which certainly had their own problems. I > replaced a customer's Belksys AC1900 router with a Mikrotik this week and > they went from having total dead spots in parts of their house on both 2.4 > and 5 GHz to having full bars and great performance everywhere including > the basement. Their minds were boggled at this little white box with no > external antennas blowing away the big black monster. > >>>>> > >>>>> Of the household brands, Netgear doesn't seem all that bad, except > their low end WNR2000 has a really high failure rate. I see people > starting to trend toward less known brands like Asus and TP-Link. But too > many of my customers think the electronics store is "Walmart" and they seem > to come back with these Belkin pieces of crap, I particularly hate the > model that only has 1 LED on the whole router and you have to interpret the > color and number of flashes, it's like figuring out what R2D2 is saying. > What's that R2? No link on port 3? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Simon Westlake > >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 11:04 AM > >>>>> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream > >>>>> > >>>>> I've honestly given up completely on all residential routers, they > seem to be slowly converging on a common denominator which is that none of > them work properly and only last a few months. I had to replace my router > recently, and just got a Mikrotik instead. One of the guys I work with just > replaced his old Linksys with a Mikrotik, and all of his minor problems > went away. > >>>>> > >>>>> I used to think that it was a bad idea to provide managed routers to > end users, but I'm slowly changing my mind after realizing how many issues > are caused by them. There's also a lot you could do to provide better > service to an end user, hypothetically.. let's say you put in a DD-WRT or > Mikrotik router and setup some shaping on the client side with SFQ. > >>>>> They'd probably see a lot less issues with their Netflix buffering > when their Xbox was downloading a game, or their VoIP cutting out when > they're watching Daredevil in 4K. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 1/1/2016 10:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >>>>> > I had a bad dream where all my customers go to Walmart and buy > Belkin > >>>>> > routers. I tried to wake up but I wasn't dreaming. > Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Simon Westlake > >>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar > >>>>> Email: simon@sonar.software > >>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 > >>>>> --------------------------- > >>>>> Sonar Software Inc > >>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >
