he didn't Neil Tyson DeGrasse say that on comedy central or somewhere?
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com
<mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Science is true whether or not you believe in it.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:34 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I used to believe like you. During my teen years, having lots
of fun with the opposite sex, I figured abortion was a handy
solution to a problem if it cropped up.
Then I got married. My wife got pregnant. We went to the
first ultrasound.
I saw my daughter as the miniature human she was. Stretching
her arms and sucking her tumb. All as 16 week.
Then I saw the light...
-----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan
Sorry CORRECTION, **birth** not conception.
I'm feeling groggy from the time shift, and have not had
enough coffee.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
Upon natural or medically induced conception. Until then
it is an
organism that receives sustenance from the mother's body,
thus is part
of the mother - and her decision. You don't have to agree
with me, and
that's fine, but you shouldn't force legislation
preventing people
from making decisions about their bodies and their
children. That's
for them to decide, and they have to live with the choices
they make.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Cameron Crum
<cc...@wispmon.com <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
So at what age should state sanctioned murder be
stopped, or is all just up
to the individual and their "belief"?
On Mar 14, 2016 1:13 PM, "Bruce Robertson"
<br...@pooh.com <mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote:
No, I want to go back to persecution. It is
persecution because you would
be trying to carry out the wishes of the boss as
you understand them. Not
necessarily as I see those wishes. Therefore by
supporting legislation that
affects the population as a whole, you are
imposing your beliefs upon me,
against my will. I may have the equally valid
belief that the boss upstairs
wants us all to accept guidance, but ultimately
make decisions for ourselves
(and of course take responsibility for those
decisions). Someone with such
beliefs would only support legislation that would
make decisions such as
birth control, abortion, etc. completely up to
each individual, her
conscience, and her relationship with the boss.
~sigh~ I swore I would never get involved in a
political or religious
discussion. My apologies.
On 03/13/2016 09:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Nevermind the persecution thing, I didn’t fully
read your post properly.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
If I have a strong feeling that the guy in the sky
that created all of us
hates the murder of babies, yes I will try to stop
that via legislation.
How is that persecution? Just trying to carry out
the wishes of the boss.
He has promised me a pretty nice apartment if I
give it a good try.
Persecution?
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
So you wish to force your religious beliefs on
others via legislation, in
a country created to escape persecution from religion?
On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown"
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Here is why a churches need to be involved
with reproductive care,
contraception, or abortion.
If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior
etc.
>Then if you believe that entity cares about
these things (listed >above).
>>Then if you believe that the mind of that
entity has communicated its
>> wishes with man.
>>>Then if you believe that those wishes are
contained in doctrine of
>>> churches or bodies of scripture.
>>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps
all laws of man.
The church needs to be involved in all facets
of life. If you believe
the above.
You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but
a smart person should hedge
their bets against actually not knowing that
they are totally right about
that. Could be that every time you eat
spaghetti you are committing a
mortal sin. Could be.
For me and mine, I will take my particular
flavor of Christianity and do
my thing, while you do your thing.
But if I have an opportunity to legislate away
things I consider mortal
sins, I will try.
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
Why does any church need to be involved with
reproductive care,
contraception, or abortion?
Those are medical issues.
On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
<par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:
Actually, my belief is here in the deep
south we have a church on every
corner. Let the churches handle
it....they are more than capable.
My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or
many other things)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hohhof
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
What many people who lose sleep over
Planned Parenthood are actually
upset about is they offer birth control.
Some people obsess about poor
people having sex without the punishment
of getting pregnant. See this if
you forgot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy
I don’t understand how you can be
extremely anti-abortion yet also
extremely anti-contraception. Less
unwanted pregnancies = less abortions.
Which is the lesser evil?
I think it comes down to some people are
obsessed with sex, especially
“other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors
#getalife
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
Did you research that video? You should.
It's not what you think.
On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay
Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:
Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here.
I don't care about gay marriage. I'm
not gay, I know a handful of gay
people. Not my cup of tea but the
government doesn't have any right telling
them what they can or can't do.
Same with adoption for a gay couple -
shut up gov'mt. Now, I'm not so
sure on that. When I was growing up
there were few gay couples who had
"come out" and we thought if the girl
had a different last name than her
mommy we thought that was odd. Quite a
bit different now but it could still
screw with a kids head in terms of
"traditional marriage".
It would be hard to NOT state that
traditional marriage has gone to
hell in this country. But then again,
so many "traditional" things have
gone to hell. How many women stay at
home and take care of the family while
dad goes to work?
I am in favor of defunding planned
parenthood. The videos pretty much
got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS.
Defund it. There are plenty of other
non-government-funded entities who can
do that work.
Any tax is bad :)
I'm going to stop there, i will get in
trouble... lol
----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Reynolds
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
His stances:
Gay marriage is wrong
He doesn't support adoption for a gay
couple
Defund planned parenthood
Raising corporate tax is bad
Voted yes for more sentencing and
prosecution for juveniles.
Wants to drill in ANWR
Voted no on tax credits for renewable
energy.
Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental
leave for federal employees.
Votes for PATRIOT act over and over
Voted to allow warantless electronic
surveillance against us citizens
Denied additional funding that would
provide expanded child healthcare
"Let's build a fence!"
Voted NO on reporting / deporting
illegal immigrants who received
hospital treatment
Etc. A few things I like him on, but
mostly he's a "nope" for me.
On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof"
<af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Hey, I said I liked him. Just not
full on man crush.
I didn’t see how his math added up
for the budgets he proposed. There
were some missing pages where
magic happened to balance the
budget. Seemed
like the same old voodoo economics.
So “man crush”, is that like Trump
and Putin? At least Putin is
supposedly an 8th degree black
belt. He would probably take care
of the
protester himself. If Trump
thinks he can bully the Putins of
the world,
I’m not so sure. I think McCain
could take him in a fair fight. Hell,
Bernie could probably take him. I
was never fond of Nixon, but the
photo of
the “kitchen debate” with
Khrushchev is a treasure.
http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
I have actually followed Paul Ryan
since the first time he appeared on
the national stage. Very
impressed with him. Could almost
call him my "man
crush". I'd be interested in
hearing what you do not like about
him Ken.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hohhof
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald
Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
AfterChicago Violence
I think the "establishment" is
missing why people are fed up with
them, I'm
not convinced it's about left or
right. If I had to single out one
person
as the poster boy for why the
establishment has failed us, it
would be
Mitch
McConnell. All 4 leaders in
Congress have only been worried about
their own
power and re-election, but
McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch.
I don't agree with Paul Ryan's
economics or some of his politics, but
I like
what he has said since being
elected Speaker. I would like to
see if
they
are just words, or if he would
translate them into actions. I don't
think
we will get to find out, election
politics seem to have rendered him
irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle
would have to be replaced with
someone
actually interested in governing.
I wonder what conservative goals
could
have been accomplished in the 7
years Mitch has spent trying to make
Obama
fail no matter how much damage it
causes. Tort reform? Modifications
to
Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax
reform? Immigration reform?
Mitch
doesn't care. Mitch cares about
Mitch. That's the problem with the
establishment, they spend all
their effort on getting elected and
staying in
power, they don't even pretend to
do their job. And let me be clear,
I'm
not saying Pelosi, Reid and
Boehner were much better, it's just
McConnell is
the most blatant hack of the
bunch, every time I see him on TV
I feel
he is
giving me the finger.
I am probably fooling myself that
Paul Ryan would be different, but I
don't
think we'll find out.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald
Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
After
Chicago Violence
IMO, Obama moved right, and the
Republicans moved further to the
right.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis
Bergman wrote:
> Obama moved right as much as the
Republicans moved left. > Everybody's
> idea
> of compromise these days is you
come to where I am and I'll make a
> deal.
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