Funny, my religion only believes in one single thing:
“The Truth”
Science is constantly changing. Now you are supposed to feed your
little babies peanuts, eggs, cows milk etc.
Now we discover we were actually harming our kids by doing so.
Science. True until it isn’t.
But I do believe science and religion are just opposing sides of the
same elephant.
Some claim better eyesight.
*From:* Jeremy <mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2016 12:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan
Science is true whether or not you believe in it.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:34 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I used to believe like you. During my teen years, having lots of
fun with the opposite sex, I figured abortion was a handy solution
to a problem if it cropped up.
Then I got married. My wife got pregnant. We went to the first
ultrasound.
I saw my daughter as the miniature human she was. Stretching her
arms and sucking her tumb. All as 16 week.
Then I saw the light...
-----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan
Sorry CORRECTION, **birth** not conception.
I'm feeling groggy from the time shift, and have not had enough
coffee.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
Upon natural or medically induced conception. Until then it is an
organism that receives sustenance from the mother's body, thus
is part
of the mother - and her decision. You don't have to agree with
me, and
that's fine, but you shouldn't force legislation preventing people
from making decisions about their bodies and their children.
That's
for them to decide, and they have to live with the choices
they make.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Cameron Crum
<cc...@wispmon.com <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
So at what age should state sanctioned murder be stopped,
or is all just up
to the individual and their "belief"?
On Mar 14, 2016 1:13 PM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com
<mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote:
No, I want to go back to persecution. It is
persecution because you would
be trying to carry out the wishes of the boss as you
understand them. Not
necessarily as I see those wishes. Therefore by
supporting legislation that
affects the population as a whole, you are imposing
your beliefs upon me,
against my will. I may have the equally valid belief
that the boss upstairs
wants us all to accept guidance, but ultimately make
decisions for ourselves
(and of course take responsibility for those
decisions). Someone with such
beliefs would only support legislation that would make
decisions such as
birth control, abortion, etc. completely up to each
individual, her
conscience, and her relationship with the boss.
~sigh~ I swore I would never get involved in a
political or religious
discussion. My apologies.
On 03/13/2016 09:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Nevermind the persecution thing, I didn’t fully read
your post properly.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
If I have a strong feeling that the guy in the sky
that created all of us
hates the murder of babies, yes I will try to stop
that via legislation.
How is that persecution? Just trying to carry out the
wishes of the boss.
He has promised me a pretty nice apartment if I give
it a good try.
Persecution?
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
So you wish to force your religious beliefs on others
via legislation, in
a country created to escape persecution from religion?
On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown"
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Here is why a churches need to be involved with
reproductive care,
contraception, or abortion.
If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc.
>Then if you believe that entity cares about these
things (listed >above).
>>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity
has communicated its
>> wishes with man.
>>>Then if you believe that those wishes are
contained in doctrine of
>>> churches or bodies of scripture.
>>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all
laws of man.
The church needs to be involved in all facets of
life. If you believe
the above.
You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a
smart person should hedge
their bets against actually not knowing that they
are totally right about
that. Could be that every time you eat spaghetti
you are committing a
mortal sin. Could be.
For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor
of Christianity and do
my thing, while you do your thing.
But if I have an opportunity to legislate away
things I consider mortal
sins, I will try.
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
Why does any church need to be involved with
reproductive care,
contraception, or abortion?
Those are medical issues.
On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
<par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:
Actually, my belief is here in the deep south
we have a church on every
corner. Let the churches handle it....they
are more than capable.
My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or
many other things)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hohhof
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
What many people who lose sleep over Planned
Parenthood are actually
upset about is they offer birth control. Some
people obsess about poor
people having sex without the punishment of
getting pregnant. See this if
you forgot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy
I don’t understand how you can be extremely
anti-abortion yet also
extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted
pregnancies = less abortions.
Which is the lesser evil?
I think it comes down to some people are
obsessed with sex, especially
“other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors
#getalife
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
Did you research that video? You should. It's
not what you think.
On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
<par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:
Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here.
I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not
gay, I know a handful of gay
people. Not my cup of tea but the
government doesn't have any right telling
them what they can or can't do.
Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut
up gov'mt. Now, I'm not so
sure on that. When I was growing up there
were few gay couples who had
"come out" and we thought if the girl had
a different last name than her
mommy we thought that was odd. Quite a
bit different now but it could still
screw with a kids head in terms of
"traditional marriage".
It would be hard to NOT state that
traditional marriage has gone to
hell in this country. But then again, so
many "traditional" things have
gone to hell. How many women stay at home
and take care of the family while
dad goes to work?
I am in favor of defunding planned
parenthood. The videos pretty much
got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS. Defund
it. There are plenty of other
non-government-funded entities who can do
that work.
Any tax is bad :)
I'm going to stop there, i will get in
trouble... lol
----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Reynolds
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
His stances:
Gay marriage is wrong
He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple
Defund planned parenthood
Raising corporate tax is bad
Voted yes for more sentencing and
prosecution for juveniles.
Wants to drill in ANWR
Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy.
Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave
for federal employees.
Votes for PATRIOT act over and over
Voted to allow warantless electronic
surveillance against us citizens
Denied additional funding that would
provide expanded child healthcare
"Let's build a fence!"
Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal
immigrants who received
hospital treatment
Etc. A few things I like him on, but
mostly he's a "nope" for me.
On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof"
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
wrote:
Hey, I said I liked him. Just not
full on man crush.
I didn’t see how his math added up for
the budgets he proposed. There
were some missing pages where magic
happened to balance the budget. Seemed
like the same old voodoo economics.
So “man crush”, is that like Trump and
Putin? At least Putin is
supposedly an 8th degree black belt.
He would probably take care of the
protester himself. If Trump thinks he
can bully the Putins of the world,
I’m not so sure. I think McCain could
take him in a fair fight. Hell,
Bernie could probably take him. I was
never fond of Nixon, but the photo of
the “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev
is a treasure.
http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
I have actually followed Paul Ryan
since the first time he appeared on
the national stage. Very impressed
with him. Could almost call him my "man
crush". I'd be interested in hearing
what you do not like about him Ken.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hohhof
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's
Supporters Love Him Even More
AfterChicago Violence
I think the "establishment" is missing
why people are fed up with
them, I'm
not convinced it's about left or
right. If I had to single out one
person
as the poster boy for why the
establishment has failed us, it would be
Mitch
McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress
have only been worried about
their own
power and re-election, but McConnell
is the worst of a bad bunch.
I don't agree with Paul Ryan's
economics or some of his politics, but
I like
what he has said since being elected
Speaker. I would like to see if
they
are just words, or if he would
translate them into actions. I don't
think
we will get to find out, election
politics seem to have rendered him
irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle
would have to be replaced with
someone
actually interested in governing. I
wonder what conservative goals
could
have been accomplished in the 7 years
Mitch has spent trying to make
Obama
fail no matter how much damage it
causes. Tort reform? Modifications
to
Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax
reform? Immigration reform?
Mitch
doesn't care. Mitch cares about
Mitch. That's the problem with the
establishment, they spend all their
effort on getting elected and
staying in
power, they don't even pretend to do
their job. And let me be clear,
I'm
not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner
were much better, it's just
McConnell is
the most blatant hack of the bunch,
every time I see him on TV I feel
he is
giving me the finger.
I am probably fooling myself that Paul
Ryan would be different, but I
don't
think we'll find out.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's
Supporters Love Him Even More
After
Chicago Violence
IMO, Obama moved right, and the
Republicans moved further to the
right.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> Obama moved right as much as the
Republicans moved left. > Everybody's
> idea
> of compromise these days is you come
to where I am and I'll make a
> deal.
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