he didn't Neil Tyson DeGrasse say that on comedy central or somewhere? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Jeremy <[email protected]> wrote: > Science is true whether or not you believe in it. > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:34 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I used to believe like you. During my teen years, having lots of fun >> with the opposite sex, I figured abortion was a handy solution to a problem >> if it cropped up. >> >> Then I got married. My wife got pregnant. We went to the first >> ultrasound. >> I saw my daughter as the miniature human she was. Stretching her arms >> and sucking her tumb. All as 16 week. >> >> Then I saw the light... >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds >> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:24 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan >> >> Sorry CORRECTION, **birth** not conception. >> >> I'm feeling groggy from the time shift, and have not had enough coffee. >> >> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Upon natural or medically induced conception. Until then it is an >>> organism that receives sustenance from the mother's body, thus is part >>> of the mother - and her decision. You don't have to agree with me, and >>> that's fine, but you shouldn't force legislation preventing people >>> from making decisions about their bodies and their children. That's >>> for them to decide, and they have to live with the choices they make. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> So at what age should state sanctioned murder be stopped, or is all >>>> just up >>>> to the individual and their "belief"? >>>> >>>> On Mar 14, 2016 1:13 PM, "Bruce Robertson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, I want to go back to persecution. It is persecution because you >>>>> would >>>>> be trying to carry out the wishes of the boss as you understand them. >>>>> Not >>>>> necessarily as I see those wishes. Therefore by supporting >>>>> legislation that >>>>> affects the population as a whole, you are imposing your beliefs upon >>>>> me, >>>>> against my will. I may have the equally valid belief that the boss >>>>> upstairs >>>>> wants us all to accept guidance, but ultimately make decisions for >>>>> ourselves >>>>> (and of course take responsibility for those decisions). Someone with >>>>> such >>>>> beliefs would only support legislation that would make decisions such >>>>> as >>>>> birth control, abortion, etc. completely up to each individual, her >>>>> conscience, and her relationship with the boss. >>>>> >>>>> ~sigh~ I swore I would never get involved in a political or religious >>>>> discussion. My apologies. >>>>> >>>>> On 03/13/2016 09:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Nevermind the persecution thing, I didn’t fully read your post >>>>> properly. >>>>> >>>>> From: Chuck McCown >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:50 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>> >>>>> If I have a strong feeling that the guy in the sky that created all of >>>>> us >>>>> hates the murder of babies, yes I will try to stop that via >>>>> legislation. >>>>> How is that persecution? Just trying to carry out the wishes of the >>>>> boss. >>>>> He has promised me a pretty nice apartment if I give it a good try. >>>>> >>>>> Persecution? >>>>> >>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:46 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So you wish to force your religious beliefs on others via legislation, >>>>> in >>>>> a country created to escape persecution from religion? >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is why a churches need to be involved with reproductive care, >>>>>> contraception, or abortion. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc. >>>>>> >Then if you believe that entity cares about these things (listed >>>>>> >above). >>>>>> >>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity has communicated >>>>>> its >>>>>> >> wishes with man. >>>>>> >>>Then if you believe that those wishes are contained in doctrine of >>>>>> >>> churches or bodies of scripture. >>>>>> >>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all laws of man. >>>>>> The church needs to be involved in all facets of life. If you believe >>>>>> the above. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a smart person should >>>>>> hedge >>>>>> their bets against actually not knowing that they are totally right >>>>>> about >>>>>> that. Could be that every time you eat spaghetti you are committing >>>>>> a >>>>>> mortal sin. Could be. >>>>>> >>>>>> For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor of Christianity and >>>>>> do >>>>>> my thing, while you do your thing. >>>>>> But if I have an opportunity to legislate away things I consider >>>>>> mortal >>>>>> sins, I will try. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care, >>>>>> contraception, or abortion? >>>>>> >>>>>> Those are medical issues. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church on >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> corner. Let the churches handle it....they are more than capable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Ken Hohhof >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood are actually >>>>>>> upset about is they offer birth control. Some people obsess about >>>>>>> poor >>>>>>> people having sex without the punishment of getting pregnant. See >>>>>>> this if >>>>>>> you forgot: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion yet also >>>>>>> extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted pregnancies = less >>>>>>> abortions. >>>>>>> Which is the lesser evil? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with sex, >>>>>>> especially >>>>>>> “other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors #getalife >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not gay, I know a handful of >>>>>>>> gay >>>>>>>> people. Not my cup of tea but the government doesn't have any >>>>>>>> right telling >>>>>>>> them what they can or can't do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt. Now, I'm >>>>>>>> not so >>>>>>>> sure on that. When I was growing up there were few gay couples who >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> "come out" and we thought if the girl had a different last name >>>>>>>> than her >>>>>>>> mommy we thought that was odd. Quite a bit different now but it >>>>>>>> could still >>>>>>>> screw with a kids head in terms of "traditional marriage". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It would be hard to NOT state that traditional marriage has gone to >>>>>>>> hell in this country. But then again, so many "traditional" things >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> gone to hell. How many women stay at home and take care of the >>>>>>>> family while >>>>>>>> dad goes to work? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood. The videos pretty >>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>> got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS. Defund it. There are plenty of >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> non-government-funded entities who can do that work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any tax is bad :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> His stances: >>>>>>>> Gay marriage is wrong >>>>>>>> He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple >>>>>>>> Defund planned parenthood >>>>>>>> Raising corporate tax is bad >>>>>>>> Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for juveniles. >>>>>>>> Wants to drill in ANWR >>>>>>>> Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy. >>>>>>>> Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for federal employees. >>>>>>>> Votes for PATRIOT act over and over >>>>>>>> Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance against us >>>>>>>> citizens >>>>>>>> Denied additional funding that would provide expanded child >>>>>>>> healthcare >>>>>>>> "Let's build a fence!" >>>>>>>> Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal immigrants who received >>>>>>>> hospital treatment >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a "nope" for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey, I said I liked him. Just not full on man crush. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I didn’t see how his math added up for the budgets he proposed. >>>>>>>>> There >>>>>>>>> were some missing pages where magic happened to balance the >>>>>>>>> budget. Seemed >>>>>>>>> like the same old voodoo economics. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin? At least Putin is >>>>>>>>> supposedly an 8th degree black belt. He would probably take care >>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>> protester himself. If Trump thinks he can bully the Putins of the >>>>>>>>> world, >>>>>>>>> I’m not so sure. I think McCain could take him in a fair fight. >>>>>>>>> Hell, >>>>>>>>> Bernie could probably take him. I was never fond of Nixon, but >>>>>>>>> the photo of >>>>>>>>> the “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a treasure. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: CBB - Jay Fuller >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the first time he >>>>>>>>> appeared on >>>>>>>>> the national stage. Very impressed with him. Could almost call >>>>>>>>> him my "man >>>>>>>>> crush". I'd be interested in hearing what you do not like about >>>>>>>>> him Ken. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Ken Hohhof >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even >>>>>>>>> More >>>>>>>>> AfterChicago Violence >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with >>>>>>>>> them, I'm >>>>>>>>> not convinced it's about left or right. If I had to single out one >>>>>>>>> person >>>>>>>>> as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it >>>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>>>> McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried about >>>>>>>>> their own >>>>>>>>> power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> I like >>>>>>>>> what he has said since being elected Speaker. I would like to see >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> are just words, or if he would translate them into actions. I >>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered >>>>>>>>> him >>>>>>>>> irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with >>>>>>>>> someone >>>>>>>>> actually interested in governing. I wonder what conservative goals >>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>> have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to >>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>> Obama >>>>>>>>> fail no matter how much damage it causes. Tort reform? >>>>>>>>> Modifications >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax reform? Immigration reform? >>>>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>>>> doesn't care. Mitch cares about Mitch. That's the problem with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and >>>>>>>>> staying in >>>>>>>>> power, they don't even pretend to do their job. And let me be >>>>>>>>> clear, >>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>> not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just >>>>>>>>> McConnell is >>>>>>>>> the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I >>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>> he is >>>>>>>>> giving me the finger. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different, >>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>> think we'll find out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Bill Prince >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even >>>>>>>>> More >>>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>>> Chicago Violence >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the >>>>>>>>> right. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. > >>>>>>>>> Everybody's >>>>>>>>> > idea >>>>>>>>> > of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> > deal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> !DSPAM:2,56e643e613941725215664! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >
